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$360 or $460 for Dell mixed reality MS headset (1st Gen)
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QuantumSquid
Member
goodbye real worl--
hello real world
hello real world
WoolyNinja
Member
The "mixed" means Its AR and VR right?
EDIT: Yep, as the article states - it should be able to do both
hanspampel
Banned
Have you seen a Vive?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Mixed Reality means AR and VR so no its not just VR.
Also you wont see them when you put them on.
SunDimension24
Member
Uhh...Mixed reality is a real hybrid technology of AR and VR that has been around for decades and is being heavily researched and has been used by NASA quite a few times. It really isn't just a fancy way of saying VR.
hanspampel
Banned
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Edit: Added to the OP instead
ryanofcall
Member
2nd Gen:
That one looks somewhat good.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
honestly vive maybe the better performing headset, but you have to admit its the worst looking. its like some slapped you with a bee hive.
Shifty
Member
Nice to see more hardware coming into the market. Competition is always good, and that strap setup looks quite nice.
I do wonder what the software backend is going to look like though. OpenVR? SteamVR? Some new proprietary Windows 10-exclusive Microsoft bollocks designed to corner the market?
Those front cameras though.
The standard definition for MR right now is greenscreening someone over the top of the VR environment they're in using tracked cameras. This new Microsoft definition seems more like Augmented Marketing to me.
It's all semantics really, but I'd call this a VR headset. The Vive has a camera too- it may not be stereo, but there's nothing to stop it from falling under this particular 'MR' definition.
I do wonder what the software backend is going to look like though. OpenVR? SteamVR? Some new proprietary Windows 10-exclusive Microsoft bollocks designed to corner the market?
Those front cameras though.
Technically speaking yes, it can probably do AR similar to how current phones do it- by overlaying stuff on a video feed of real life. 'Proper' AR is more akin to the concept of HoloLens, a.k.a. overlaying stuff on your eyes' view of real life.
The standard definition for MR right now is greenscreening someone over the top of the VR environment they're in using tracked cameras. This new Microsoft definition seems more like Augmented Marketing to me.
It's all semantics really, but I'd call this a VR headset. The Vive has a camera too- it may not be stereo, but there's nothing to stop it from falling under this particular 'MR' definition.
Somewhat. Doesn't mean it actually looks good. The Dell one is too plain, and that one is too tacky. I'd say the Vive is a nice middle point. Well, the Oculus might be a better example.
3rdamention
Member
That guy in the OP looks like a character from Hellboy with that headset on.
The vive looks like a dimpled blob attached to your face.
King Gilga
Member
No it doesn't, it looks just as dumb.
Rellik
Member
Didn't realise these were fashion accessories.
I disagree. It's very sci-fi, and looks the most "Ghost in the Shell" of all the options. I like it.
That said, what your VR headset looks like really doesn't matter.
What does IMHO matter about this announcement is the price. These were positioned as the affordable alternative, and now it's actually more expensive than the current Oculus pricing, and we don't have any idea yet if it actually matches that in experience and functionality.
Blam
Member
That's a great deal. Now we have so many competing manufacturer at such low prices compared to the start of the VR gen.
Oculus is 499$, Vive is 699$, these headsets are even lower, and we have the 200$ OSVR from Razer, and you have the new 399$ PSVR
You seriously can't have a better time to get into VR.
It'll blow up again guaranteed. It's much much cheaper now, and these were prices everyone wanted to begin with.
Oculus is 499$, Vive is 699$, these headsets are even lower, and we have the 200$ OSVR from Razer, and you have the new 399$ PSVR
You seriously can't have a better time to get into VR.
It'll blow up again guaranteed. It's much much cheaper now, and these were prices everyone wanted to begin with.
Shifty
Member
I like the fact that we're seeing both a trackpad and a stick. Would have maybe liked to see an additional face button but I guess the trackpad could be used as one for the purposes of being compatible with existing oculus touch implementations.
It doesn't look terribly ergonomic though. Leaning more toward vive wand than oculus touch in that respect.
Was interested in these until I picked up an Oculus during the sale. The sensors being built into the headset is a nice convenience. Better resolution and higher comfort over Vive and Rift are also pluses. Software and compatibility is the huge question right now. Still might pick one up for the wife's pc
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for myself
GuitarAtomik
Member
No, the same way they misuse the term "holograms" for Hololens, they misuse, or at least try to redefine, the term "mixed reality" for these headsets as a catch all for both AR/MR and VR. These are VR headsets. The cameras are used for tracking and none of them have shown any MR capability.
Mixed reality is virtual content that's made to look like it exists in a real environment (or vice versa). Basically it's what most people think of when they hear the term "augmented reality" though augmented reality is more specifically something like the scouters in DBZ overlaying 2D information on the real world. Pokemon Go right now is technically AR as well since you can't like walk up to the Pokemon and look at it from all sides as if it was in the real world.
No it's not MR was a thing before MS even announced these headsets
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80184657&postcount=186
Me being told that it wasn't a thing 3 years ago
https://dev.beyond3d.com/threads/sony-vr-headset-project-morpheus-playstation-vr.55521/page-26
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6XVZlVzHBKo
This is a highly detailed impression of the Acer hmd dk for those who are curious. Thoughts on the screen and tracking seem positive but the guy deems it not great for gaming due to the way it fits on the face (which seems like a problem that can be overcome).
This is a highly detailed impression of the Acer hmd dk for those who are curious. Thoughts on the screen and tracking seem positive but the guy deems it not great for gaming due to the way it fits on the face (which seems like a problem that can be overcome).
Didn't they also announce Steam VR would be compatible with these?
That's promo pricing Oculus is likely taking a loss on though.
That's promo pricing Oculus is likely taking a loss on though.
Wowfunhappy
Member
The way that microsoft is using the term, it's just a fancy way of saying VR.
Really, really confusing and dumb brand name.
Edit: This is the headset that's using an LED screen, right? It's going to be DOA, unless they developed some kind of new technology they haven't told anyone about. Also, iirc controllers are only tracked while you're looking at them.
Edit2: Also, $350 seemed a lot more appealing before the recent Oculus promotions. I know they said the price drop was temporary, but I have feeling it will only be "temporary" in quotes.
hanspampel
Banned
It's less "dumb" than calling a computing programm App.
The difference is way bigger.
But the only important thing is the consumers mind. And an App is something specific and different from a classic Desktop PC programm.
And mixt reality is different from AR.
Why the hell do people hate on this term? It's always better to be percise.
Do people hate on FPS and TPS, while both are just being shooters?
The only dumb stuff is the arguing about this
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
They already announced a permanent price drop to $500 when the $400 sale ends for the touch bundle.
Wowfunhappy
Member
We've been referring to computer programs as "Applications" for long before the iPhone, so I'm not seeing the comparison.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Another HMD announcement without clear description of specs. Just getting that it's another 1440x1440 panel per eye setup like the other WMR HMD's.
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/08/dell-visor-vr-headset-xps-inspiron/
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/08/dell-visor-vr-headset-xps-inspiron/
DOA.
hanspampel
Banned
Where do you live? Was not a thing here in the German speaking world.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
No it's not MR was a thing before MS even announced these headsets
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80184657&postcount=186
Me being told that it wasn't a thing 3 years ago
https://dev.beyond3d.com/threads/sony-vr-headset-project-morpheus-playstation-vr.55521/page-26
How have you been a Junior Member after 5 years? What am I missing?
BACK ON TOPIC.
I like the idea of MR. I always wanted 4k AR. Superhigh fidelity imagery over real world settings. That way the CPU only has to process the action item and not render the entire environment. I think it would be neat.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Northeast United States.
You'll need a lot more than 4k to get superhigh fidelity you want.Soapbox Killer said:
The system has to effectively resolve entire real-environment in AR, whatever ends up responsible for it - processing requirements are higher than in VR, not to mention the latency problems being much worse.
"In addition, I am thrilled to announce that Steam content will also run on Windows Mixed Reality headsets. Virtual reality enthusiasts know that Steam is a great place to enjoy cutting edge immersive experiences. We cant wait to bring their content to you."
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/28/windows-mixed-reality-holiday-update/
I got Jr'ed for making threads about 4K gaming in 2012 because people didn't think it could happen this generation.
Blam
Member
God damn so you predicted it.
I feel like people are confusing Microsoft's Mixed Reality platform with devices that can do both AR and VR. Mixed Reality is the name of Microsoft's platform like OpenVR/SteamVR is Valve's platform. It's one platform that supports both AR and VR hardware/software. The somewhat confusing part is that when they say MR devices they don't mean a device that can do both, but instead a device that supports the MR platform.
In the future it sounds like MS expect AR and VR hardware to converge into a single device, but that isn't here yet.
In the future it sounds like MS expect AR and VR hardware to converge into a single device, but that isn't here yet.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Hmmm, hoped they might be a bit cheaper so I'll wait for reviews. Do we have any idea of when the next generation of Vive/Oculus headsets are likely to appear?
Im from UK and weve used application for software packages for at least twenty years that I can remember.
This Microsoft blog post from today which is also posted a few posts up from yours says these headsets will have support for Steam content. Since Steam does not use UWP yet this means the headsets are not locked down in this way.
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/08/28/windows-mixed-reality-holiday-update/
12Dannu123
Member
We don't know. However another scenario would be that Steam supports UWP and All UWPs are able to be used in Windows MR.
While Steam works, it's a different story when optimising content for Windows MR. That'll likely be locked to UWP regardless of place it's coming from.
12Dannu123
Member
As long as Microsoft has a distribution advantage over Valve and Oculus. The impact of UWP doesn't matter.
I expect Windows MR to outsell all of PC VR very quickly.