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360 Price: The Industry Reacts
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
:lol Now that's funny.
that article really stresses to me how there are some people in the gaming media who are little more than immature reactionaries. I mean, I understand your'e entitled to have an opinion, but expressing it professionally seems to be way too much to ask for some people.
(of course, I could probably say the same thing about the direction regular American media is going, but still ....)
(of course, I could probably say the same thing about the direction regular American media is going, but still ....)
FirstInHell
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Mrbob said:
Nobody is forcing you to buy the "peice of garbage" version. Again, why the bitching?
The Abominable Snowman
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crunker99 said:
fixed
I would actually prefer a wired controller. If its usb im sure someone will find a way to make it work on my pc. Not to mention the fact that there is a noticable delay on the wavebird compared to the wired gc controllers. After hours and hours of smash brothers and mario kart nobody will convince me otherwise. Its a fact. I hope that doesnt carry over into next gen.
Mrbob said:
and one more time for me (the last, i sware);
the 399 is what MS wants to give gamers. people who will be on live. downloading trailers, demos and dlc.
299 is for johnny sports jock, who will pick up madden each year and maybe a few other games. he wont ever get on live, and likely doesnt even have broadband. he may even not have purchased the 360 if it werent for the 299 price. he'll likely never get the hdd or get on live.
whats the fucking problem?
remember, we have known for quite some time that MS had made sure developers cant rely on the hdd to work. we have also known that MS may likely (eventually, we had thought) offer the system without the hdd.
whats the fucking problem?
if your complaining because you know the you'll want the premium system, and 399 is a lot of money... i understand and agree. but thats the way its priced. in hindsight, most of us were kidding ourselves thinking we'd get all of that at 299
SteveMeister
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The car comparisons are not appropriate. It's not like the $299 SKU is UNUSABLE -- it'll still play pretty much every single Xbox 360 game out of the box. It'll work online (it DOES have an Ethernet port, after all). In other words, it's still a viable console that'll work just fine for the people who choose to buy it.
Now, anyone who wants the "full experience" and chooses to buy the $299 SKU and the other accessories a la carte is nuts. But for folks who want to play Madden or PGR racing and don't care about downloading new content or doing video streaming or other things that WILL require the hard disk, the $299 box is fine.
And Mark Rein is right -- from a developer's standpoint, including 512MB RAM was much more important than having the hard disk always there. That makes games like Oblivion possible much more than the HDD does. And like other developers said, we knew that the HDD wouldn't always be there from the very beginning, and so Oblivion like other games can run without it but will take advantage of it when it is there.
Now, anyone who wants the "full experience" and chooses to buy the $299 SKU and the other accessories a la carte is nuts. But for folks who want to play Madden or PGR racing and don't care about downloading new content or doing video streaming or other things that WILL require the hard disk, the $299 box is fine.
And Mark Rein is right -- from a developer's standpoint, including 512MB RAM was much more important than having the hard disk always there. That makes games like Oblivion possible much more than the HDD does. And like other developers said, we knew that the HDD wouldn't always be there from the very beginning, and so Oblivion like other games can run without it but will take advantage of it when it is there.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
First off, +10,000 light side points to CS Weaver.
Second:
ATTN. MICROSOFT.
If you are trying to win the hearts of Japan this time - or at least not look quite so pathetic - then a word of advice.
DO NOT JERK AROUND SQUARE (-ENIX) ON THE MATTER OF STORAGE FORMATS.
This has been attempted in the past.
IT DID NOT WORK SO GOOD.
Edit: I forgot to add - I think at this point it is clear David Perry is utterly disconnected from actual gamers. It'd explain Enter the Matrix. (Please. That isn't intended as a cheap shot. It's just that the old David Perry, he of console gaming, would have NEVER allowed a product like that to ship in that condition with his company's name on it.)
Second:
ATTN. MICROSOFT.
If you are trying to win the hearts of Japan this time - or at least not look quite so pathetic - then a word of advice.
DO NOT JERK AROUND SQUARE (-ENIX) ON THE MATTER OF STORAGE FORMATS.
This has been attempted in the past.
IT DID NOT WORK SO GOOD.
Edit: I forgot to add - I think at this point it is clear David Perry is utterly disconnected from actual gamers. It'd explain Enter the Matrix. (Please. That isn't intended as a cheap shot. It's just that the old David Perry, he of console gaming, would have NEVER allowed a product like that to ship in that condition with his company's name on it.)
TheJollyCorner
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"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NIGGAZ X TREE SITTY WUZ MY HOLY GRAIL YO!"
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
IJoel said:
IS THAT A DRAGON EYE!?
Don't TAUNT us Mr. Meister!
It's a close-up of an Argonian's eye
SteveMeister said:
well, the car comparison would work if Halverson wasn't a complete moron. Of course, instead of commenting how it's like buying a ferrari without power windows / locks / steering etc, he compared it to buying a car without wheels, which doesn't make even come close to making sense.
op_ivy said:
This I am fine with and despite the few complaining would have been fine too. Maybe dropping the Live headset, remote and component cables and bringing it down to $350 or hey lets use some marketing and say $360 bucks would have been nice
Aha! Here is the problem. Johnny sports jock was the biggest buyer of the original Xbox. He's (or she) was the one that wanted the cool graphics and heard the Xbox was the shiznit. Oh and they always had the best graphics compared to the others. Now you're offering el cheapo consumers the $299.99 package in a next generation, high cost, game console battle.
Now, you have a bunch of cheap ass consumers with HDD-less xboxes. MS around spring says "Oh shit" and maybe drops the 299.99 package all together but too late. They do that and now they have pissed off cheap ass consumers who wanted that package. And now you also have a split market with HDD and without.
You're a developer, like say EA, will you go out of your way to program games to take advantage of that HDD that is only in a percentage of the home market now? Do you honestly think we are going to see the leaps and bounds in more HDD usage with this splintering of the 360 market? Or are we can end up with another glorified Memory Card/HDD like this Gen Xbox? That's the fucking problem.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Borys said:
:lol :lol of course it will
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention -- when we found out that Microsoft was upping the Xbox 360's RAM from 256MB to 512MB, we had a party. Seriously, it was a huge deal
krypt0nian
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Borys said:
I just spit my Lucky Charms out. :lol
Kaijima said:
Not that I'm defending him or anything, but from what I understood, the game had to ship the same day as the movie released, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Of course, it sure as hell doesn't explain what the hell they were doing for the 3 years before it came out that led to what we got in stores.
Izzy said:
Don't we need to factor in another $10~20 for a USB hub if you use the wired controllers (since there are only 2 USB ports on the front of the box for wired controllers, IIRC)? Although I guess you could plug a controller into the 3rd USB port in the back of the system and lose some cord length.
shpankey
not an idiot
why don't they just include the HDD as standard... drop having the wireless controller coming stock with the system, drop the remote, drope the component cables, drop the network cable, drop the wireless headset, drop xbox live and just have one SKU? Just sell the X360 with the HDD and one wired controller for $299.
then sell the wireless controller, the component cables, xbox live, the wireless headset, the remote control, the network cable, memory cards, larger hard drives, and the wireless ethernet all seperately to help make some money back (lots of it).
nobody would have bitched at all had they done this. the hardcore could buy the accessories they wanted and not feel they were paying for shit they didn't want. not to mention having a standard built in hard-drive for all systems (forever too, not ever taking it out no matter what and announcing as such. informing devs it will always be in every system). everybody would still have "options" and the devs and consumers their HDD. MSFT would make tons of cash on sales of wireless controllers and accesories (btw, they need to price these accesories fairly too).
why the fuck they didn't do this blows my mind. this is how succesful consoles have done it forever now. it's like they wanted to be fucking stupid.
i now understand why all the people who made the Xbox 1 great left... fucktard suits who have no clue are now calling the shots. they think they are making ipods.
then sell the wireless controller, the component cables, xbox live, the wireless headset, the remote control, the network cable, memory cards, larger hard drives, and the wireless ethernet all seperately to help make some money back (lots of it).
nobody would have bitched at all had they done this. the hardcore could buy the accessories they wanted and not feel they were paying for shit they didn't want. not to mention having a standard built in hard-drive for all systems (forever too, not ever taking it out no matter what and announcing as such. informing devs it will always be in every system). everybody would still have "options" and the devs and consumers their HDD. MSFT would make tons of cash on sales of wireless controllers and accesories (btw, they need to price these accesories fairly too).
why the fuck they didn't do this blows my mind. this is how succesful consoles have done it forever now. it's like they wanted to be fucking stupid.
i now understand why all the people who made the Xbox 1 great left... fucktard suits who have no clue are now calling the shots. they think they are making ipods.
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FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Mrbob said:
are we back to "no buy" status, mrbob?
shpankey said:
it sure looks that way.
Wax Free Vanilla
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TheJollyCorner said:
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NIGGAZ X TREE SITTY WUZ MY HOLY GRAIL YO!"
:lol
Kenneth Williams rox!
I think not having the harddrive standard (at launch) is a bad idea because it diminishes the potential of many of the services, such as downloadable demos & trailers and xbl arcade. I'm not really concerned over developers supporting it in games.
But really, they could have 100 SKUs for all I care. It is the way they executed. They made the choice to come out and commit to certain standard features (not talking about the hdd in particular). They could've been non-commital and this announcement would've been just fine. Hell, it was always rumored there would be multiple tiers to begin with. Until Microsoft came out and killed those rumors of course.
and the accessory pricing is just a joke. $100 for a wifi adapter that will be standard in every other console? No thanks.
But really, they could have 100 SKUs for all I care. It is the way they executed. They made the choice to come out and commit to certain standard features (not talking about the hdd in particular). They could've been non-commital and this announcement would've been just fine. Hell, it was always rumored there would be multiple tiers to begin with. Until Microsoft came out and killed those rumors of course.
and the accessory pricing is just a joke. $100 for a wifi adapter that will be standard in every other console? No thanks.
SKOPE said:
I've never had any lag with it, but I'd often get some kind of signal interference which was extremely annoying. It was like the wavebird was constantly being turned off and on which made it impossible to control and would force me to have to pause the game and wait for things to clear up. Though judging by other people's accounts, I may just have a defective controller. I think it has more to do with something in the area causing some sort of interference (I've already tried changing the dial channel but that hasn't worked).
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