impetuous_silly
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We've always had guns, these acts of terrorism are a relatively new development in our history.
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4 shot at Seattle Pacific University, shooter in custody
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We've always had guns, these acts of terrorism are a relatively new development in our history.
What are you going to do about it?
We are, but asking "what are we going to do?" defers responsibility. Action starts with the individual. "We" is a weasel word when it comes to enacting change.
Consider the bystander effect. Apply that to social and intergenerational issues. Very few people will ever make an impact if we hold onto the paradigm of "we." The group only has power as a collection of autonomous agents, capable of acting independently. Otherwise you siphon off power to a vague collective term. You can't make progress without specifics.
impetuous_silly
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You can't tell me the frequency hasn't increased dramatically.
Reaction starts with people united. I don't know if I'm a Martin Luther King Jr. tiered person when it comes to uniting people, so I'll probably wither and die like a typical poor person. Being self aware is a start at least, and shit, self awareness in the United States is lacking in general.
Reaction starts with critical introspection and an awareness of context. "People united" means nothing. McDonalds workers are a people united. The Tea Party is a people united.
It's about context.
Knowledge without practice is mind without a body. You may as well be dreaming. Unless you are engaged with shaping your reality, your self-awareness is impractical baggage.
Everyone is a "suspect" until convicted.
Necromanti
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I literally visited my friend there last week, and it was such a small campus that it would have been my last guess as the next site of a school shooting in Seattle. She's pretty shaken up. I hope everyone pulls through.
Okay, what is your argument here? The tiny, minute percentage of people that control the United States and the world generally suck, given how things are compared to how things could be. Are you being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian or what is your point with what I've said?
People that suffering in this world (a lot of people) taking the world back from the people that sit on fortune and don't do things to benefit the greater good.
Can't wait for another snarky post.
Just saw this from yesterday. Guns a-plenty.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...double-homicide-on-sunday-were-reportedly-gay
I wasn't even aware there was a shooting on Sunday.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/ar...double-homicide-on-sunday-were-reportedly-gay
I wasn't even aware there was a shooting on Sunday.
My point is pessimism maintains the status quo. Optimism is a political act. If you are aware things should change, and simultaneously believe you are hopeless to change them, and rationalize your inaction, that's as good as never having your awareness in the first place.
I'm not being snarky. You have good intentions. You have the opportunity to put them into practice.
Unknown Soldier
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I could tell you that the population of the country has increased dramatically too.
I'm not rationalizing anything, do you really think something as rigged as having some sort of investment in tons of corporations and politicians can be thwarted with simple resistance?What you're asking of me is to either be a super hero, right now, and save the world or that my self awareness doesn't matter because I'm not a superhero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeRd0EJbkC0
This is extremely off topic, so I'll stop discussing this at this point.
Necromanti
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My friend told me he was a senior.Reports coming that one man has died
You don't have to change the world by yourself. But it is not impossible to make an impact.
Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.
Tim Williams ‏@realtimwilliams 10m
#BREAKING: Per @KIRO7Rob Naval #ROTC students helped disarm and take down Seattle Pacific University shooter. #SPU h/t @JakeMilstein
RPGCrazied
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Wtf. These shootings seem to happen like every week or two. What is wrong with the world? I'm speechless.
TheLostBigBoss
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Apparently a single kid tackled the gunmen when he was reloading, and everyone jumped on him after that.
The first kid must have had a flashback to his middle school day dreams.
TheLostBigBoss
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Fixed that for you.
The Faceless Master
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maybe after recreational meth is legalized
That's actually pretty awesome.
At my high school I'd think about the best strategy to survive a mass shooting. The best idea I came up with is to blockade all doors of a classroom with the desks, chairs, bookshelves, the teacher desk, and anything else that's big and bulky.
Classrooms have tons of stuff in them, and if enough stuff is in the doorway, I'd imagine bullets wouldn't be able to penetrate a mountain of desks or chairs. Shooter wouldn't be able to come into the classroom easily if they break the door down.
That student is pretty damn smart.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, sometimes I wish I could move to New Zealand or something. I'm all for banning guns, but I'll save that discussion for another thread.
Elor_Nocudee
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It's horrible that someone died, do the police know why the shooter did this deplorable act yet? some stupid vendetta or mental issues perhaps?
activatethesmile
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Maybe it's just me, but it really feels like the whole crazy shooter stories are becoming way too often, especially coming from a supposedly 1st world country such as the US.
There's something critically wrong with how your general society treats gun culture, America.
There's something critically wrong with how your general society treats gun culture, America.
Wow give that guy a medal. He probably saved a lot of lives.
The students who subdued him are real heroes. Wow...
RIP to the person who died. Terrible.
There's something critically wrong with how we stigmatize mental illness and allow mentally ill people to get ahold of weapons easily.
RIP to the person who died. Terrible.
There's something critically wrong with how we stigmatize mental illness and allow mentally ill people to get ahold of weapons easily.
shadyspace
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What the hell is this supposed to mean?
This guy acted out what many people fantasize about doing if they were in a school shooting.
speculawyer
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The thing is, even though it is awful when it happens, it is still pretty darn rare and not something people have happen to "them". So our society has just deemed this to be an acceptable about of random death from fuckwits in order to let people have guns.
I just don't see it changing any time soon. Perhaps if there is another massive slaughter of children. Or perhaps when the gun death rate surprasses the auto-accident death rate (which may be in the next few years).
Stuggernaut
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So sad that someone died, hopefully nobody else that was injured will.
Props to the people that tackled the shooter, could have got worse!
Next week is graduation there, so there would have been tons more people out.
This was an eye opening experience for me. My wife and I had lunch right by there today, and we were arguing about stupid non-important crap. Then she goes off to class right where this happened and it makes you stop and take stock of things.
Life is fragile and important. Live every moment cause you never know when some asshole will come along and rip it away.
Props to the people that tackled the shooter, could have got worse!
Next week is graduation there, so there would have been tons more people out.
This was an eye opening experience for me. My wife and I had lunch right by there today, and we were arguing about stupid non-important crap. Then she goes off to class right where this happened and it makes you stop and take stock of things.
Life is fragile and important. Live every moment cause you never know when some asshole will come along and rip it away.
Sub_Level
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You never daydreamed about stopping a bank robbery or something cheesy like that? It's pretty common. This time someone had the guts, skill, and maybe luck to actually do it though. Pretty awesome.
RIP to those lost
I'm pretty sure there is a decent sized segment of the US that assumes every African-American already has a gun. Oddly, I'm also pretty sure that there is a sizable overlap between that group and those advocating for more guns and less regulation.
The reporting of them have increased dramatically. Same with a lot of violent crimes. 24 hour news networks create the impression that all sorts of crimes are on the rise when they're actually on the decline.
I don't assume that. I assume everyone with a southern accent owns a gun.
gutterboy44
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So it looks like we have a good guy without a gun, stopping a bad guy with a gun. To top it all off, magazine size played a part in stopping the massacre short, the shooter was reloading when he was pepper sprayed by the security guard with balls of steel.
Couldn't write this shit if your tried.
Fucking disgusting. Our shootings are happening to a point where the blood of the current shooting is able to fall on the still damp blood of the last.
Couldn't write this shit if your tried.
Fucking disgusting. Our shootings are happening to a point where the blood of the current shooting is able to fall on the still damp blood of the last.
lybertyboy
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Drove by a memorial service they had tonight for those affected. My gf lives about a block away from the campus. She didn't feel comfortable being home alone tonight so I'm staying in Seattle tonight. Really glad she was at the hospital where she works and not home alone today.
plasmawave
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Another motherfucking shoot out.
EekumBokum
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What the fuck is up with all the shootings lately.
BocoDragon
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Argh. Again? Again?
I almost want to bring up guns.... But I feel crushed under the weight of how I know that discussion will go down.
All I know is that humans always have personal stress, and they always have beef. It's the nature of life.
But only in the United States of America are people guaranteed ease of access to something which turns stress+beef into EZ murder.
I almost want to bring up guns.... But I feel crushed under the weight of how I know that discussion will go down.
All I know is that humans always have personal stress, and they always have beef. It's the nature of life.
But only in the United States of America are people guaranteed ease of access to something which turns stress+beef into EZ murder.
The trouble you have is even if you try and change it now, there's so many guns in circulation that it'd be impossible to ever get rid of the supply of them.
Another shooting, another day. This is getting worse :/
It is not gun culture
It is mentally disturbed people committing copycat murder suicides. There will be more and more.
The only realistic way to deal with it right now is media blackout. Do not provide any information about the shooter. No name, just "disturbed individual". Once they realize they will not go out in a blaze of infamy they will direct their insanity elsewhere.
It is mentally disturbed people committing copycat murder suicides. There will be more and more.
The only realistic way to deal with it right now is media blackout. Do not provide any information about the shooter. No name, just "disturbed individual". Once they realize they will not go out in a blaze of infamy they will direct their insanity elsewhere.
entremet
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Just as a note, the murder rate is half of what it was 30 years ago in the US.
It's not all doom and gloom. We do need to something about the increasing sociopathy and isolation, however. I don't believe gun control measures will help personally.
Most of these killers get their guns legally.
One thing as well most of the killers target gun free zones. That's not a coincidence.
It's not all doom and gloom. We do need to something about the increasing sociopathy and isolation, however. I don't believe gun control measures will help personally.
Most of these killers get their guns legally.
One thing as well most of the killers target gun free zones. That's not a coincidence.
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