entremet
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XB1????????????????????????
Huh?
XB1 has a BR player just like the PS4. What's so funny?
But this will require new hardware. So it will need to be a revision of both consoles.
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Huh?
XB1 has a BR player just like the PS4. What's so funny?
But this will require new hardware. So it will need to be a revision of both consoles.
outunderthestars
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I don't see how it can have as much support as blu-ray, which already saw much less support than DVD. The market for physical video media continues to shrink, which I think will return to a laser disc level of niche support as the mass market moves to a streaming-only business model.
bloodforge
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They're adding Dolby Atmos support sometime this fall. By end of next year a home theater with blu-ray may end up better than some local ones.
There's going to be a ton of that bullshit. Wait for Gravity and Oblivion upscaled for $20 a piece.
It's going to be an entire format generation of 28 Days Later trickery.
Nappuccino
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They can probably re-render the CG to whatever they feel like, if they feel like it.
The live action stuff might be trickier if that was filmed in 1080p though . . .
Not at all. Upscaled 4k bluray looks amazing.
Bobby Roberts
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Up until a few years ago - most theaters were only projecting at 1080 lines of vertical resolution.
When the Blade Runner Final Cut was re-released in theaters, most of the houses that screened it screened it at 2k, not 4k. In 2007, 4k projectors weren't widespread at all. Granted, the DCP they were running has much better compression than your typical blu-ray, but for 90% of the audience, they'd never know the difference between that DCP and someone just running the Final Cut blu-ray.
In fact, many repertory theaters and second run houses basically just run blu-rays on their digital projectors, and some studios, instead of sending a DCP to smaller houses with 2k projectors, will actually just send a blu-ray instead of a hard drive.
edit: did some rudimentary searching, and I guess back in 2007, it's not really exaggerating (much) to say the number of theaters w/ 4k projectors could be counted on two hands. 2009 was when they really started to get rolled out.
KillerKlown
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If it means that i get to have a reason to upgrade to a 4K TV and not to have to pay outrageous theater prices anymore i am all for this.
Chance Hale
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Upscaling is never the same as having native content, movies don't work like games. Upscaling my dvd copy of videodrome looks nothing like the blu-ray I upgraded to.
shira
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You talking games or movies? Movies ok, but games would be tough.
1080p? My camcorder does 1080p.
Delta Assault
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Aaron Greenberg gets hired to be the 4k PR guy.
"You realize you will see every movie in 4k as your output right?"
ThoseDeafMutes
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Do you believe that the PS4 is going to render games in 4k?
outunderthestars
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nhlducks35
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I can see 2D games being supersampled from 4K
Is it that hard to believe? Okami on PS3 was downscaled from 4k internal rendering.
entremet
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Movies. It's a movie topic lol.
Unless you're talking about super simple stuff, you won't see either console do 4k games. Top of the line PC rigs aren't there yet either. I'm taking about your run of the mill AAA game. Maybe some indie with super simple geometry. But 4k gaming at decent frame rates with complex lighting and geometry is ways away.
Nerdkiller
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But I want my disc arrrrrt!
Naaa, I think extra layers of space is the better option. We already have BDXL which can do up to 128GB's of storage.
Oblivion was shot in 4K, so that's gonna be alright. Gravity's live action was mostly shot in 2.8k (final scene though was shot in 65mm), but I think they can get away with that considering the vast majority of the movie is CG anyway. There are supersampling techniques for live action, but they probably only go so far as to how much they can do.
A movie that bombed getting a rerender treatment? I wouldn't think so.
I don't think yours is a professional cinema camera, though.
shira
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Maybe the ◦°˚NEW˚°◦ PS4 will be able to?
I'm hope the master copy is better than 1080p.
Delta Assault
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Naaah. I don't think studios are worried about it at all, simply because most consumers don't know jack shit about technical stuff like this. I mean, you and I know from being around A/V forums and websites and stuff that good quality 35mm film translates roughly into 4k resolution, but for most people it's technobabble gibberish.
4k is gonna be niche because most people already upgraded their living room TV to a 1080p flatscreen of some sort and it's gonna be "good enough" for a long long while.
What a film is shot in is irrelevant when the digital intermediate is 2k, unless the studio is willing to fund a complete second more costly post production process just for a home release, and there is no way that would happen, the studios always knew home 4k was coming, and didn't care to future proof when they could save money and benefit with 4k theatre projection.
Whogie
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XB1????????????????????????
The hell? The Xbox is odd but the PS4 isn't?
I know about the GPU descrepency, but I doubt it's so underpowered it can't support HEVC. I'm more worried about an HDMI 2.0 requirement and whether the possible larger Blu-rays will need new drives.
Helpless Hometown Motor
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In corporate advertising I trust. I really hope that the companies put together a strong ad campaign to try to convince people to buy 4k TVs and content.
Delta Assault
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It's gonna need to be way stronger than the one they put together for 3D, heh...
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm gonna be all over this as soon as 4K TV's are below 1000USD
If they don't increase the disc size the content will be noticeably bit-rate starved.
Well depends on how good the newer codec is.
If you do not care about quality maybe.
Well depends on how good the newer codec is.
If you do not care about quality maybe.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think they're a little worried about it. I didn't say their worry was rational.
Just that they're probably going to try to ensure it stays niche (while still being a nice tertiary revenue source behind blu-ray/dvd and streaming rights). Consumers don't HAVE to know about shit to buy things. Most don't. They just have to know what they're told, and if you get enough people telling consumers they need their 4k tv and their 4k blu-ray player, they'll get it, and they'll hook it up wrong, and they'll watch their compressed to shit plain-ol dvd's on em with the screen stretched out and motion-flow activated and believe they're having the HD experience of their lives. Hell, there's a LARGE number of people who are still functionally ignorant as to what HD even means - lots of people assume it has everything to do with aspect ratio, and less to do with actual resolution.
I can imagine the studios (who have to provide the content to make these players worth a shit) not being all that enthused at offering up home video that indistinguishable from theatrical DCPs on a 60" or smaller TV for the price of two tickets to a movie. So they'll try to make it more niche than regular ol blu-ray already is.
Helpless Hometown Motor
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I'm hopeful for this since it's really easy for the average Joe to see a major upgrade from what he's got already, and you won't have to buy special equipment aside from what is essentially a "slick new DVD player thing."
Bam Bam Baklava
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Is it good?
entremet
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The problem is that people keep TVs for a long time. Once people upgraded from their bulky CRTs TV, sales suffered.
3D was supposed to convince consumers, but they didn't bite.
And also the fact that cable is still running compressed to heck HD content, there will need to be infrastructure upgrades for consumers to see substantial broadcast content in 4k.
AstroNut325
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It's ok for the price from my knowledge. But I have no first hand knowledge.
There is also this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00II6VY2G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'll bit on 4k only when Lawrence of Arabia comes out supporting it. In the meantime, my lowly computer monitors will do for now as I don't watch television.
bloodforge
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It's Seiki, so no.
Chie Satonaka
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So these are gonna be 50 bones each, right?
4k bluray support has nothing to do with games. The games aren't streaming off a disc like movies. Movies need the higher capacity bluray and higher bandwidth to support playing on the current gen, which I think I've read can both be supported.
You can have a game that's 100 megs in size, but outputs at 20k natively. They're all installed on the drive nowadays anyway.
outunderthestars
Banned
So you'll spend hundreds of dollars just to watch an old movie in 4K even though you don't use TV that often?
Nerdkiller
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I think the less SFX heavy movies would be unaffected by this. It's simply a case of scanning the original negatives (or finding the original files the movie was shot with), bringing in the director or cinematographer so they can oversee the transfer and there's your movie, ready to release with a low impact of cost. The more effects driven movies on the other hand, yeah that'll be a problem. Especially for those forgotten ones or those that only have a cult following that utilised early CG work, like The Lawnmower Man, or Young Sherlock Holmes (trust me, that CGI stained glass knight is the only reason people remember that movie). The bigger movies (Terminator 2, Jurassic Park) are probably safe. And I'm more than certain there's a market out there who would kill to see Gravity in 4K.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's a hell of a movie.
I'd even go so far as to say if you love that movie that much, you might want to invest in a projector instead of a TV.
edit: Maybe not THIS projector, as it costs 50k. And you have to live in New York. But if you got that kind of scratch - fuck it.
Gravity is basically entirely CG, it would cost an obscene price to make a true 4k version, and there is no way they'll do it. It'll be upscaled, cheaply, and it'll barely affect sales, because most consumers won't know or care.
entremet
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Weird that it is limited to a specific State?
Metallix87
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I think this is likely going to be a big mistake. The jump from 2K to 4K isn't going to be noticeable enough for most people to get on board for this format. It's destined for niche status, which is bad when physical media as a whole is spiraling towards niche status.
Diminishing returns especially at HDTV sizes.
I think we need better movie cameras. 4k at the lens aint cutting it.
Delta Assault
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But uhhh...
1) The average Joe *isn't* gonna see a major upgrade from what he's got already. The leap from 1080p to 4k isn't anywhere near as significant as the leap from 480p to 1080p, which still wasn't enough of an upgrade to convert the masses.
2) You *do* need to buy special equipment aside from a "slick new DVD player thing." You need to go and buy... a 4k TV.
Nerdkiller
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All the groundwork was basically done. No need to reanimate everything by hand. I don't think it'll cost THAT much to rerender (I'm sure the original elements still exist), especially given how much money it already made. All it is, is simply turning on the render farm and letting it do its work.
Bobby Roberts
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Supposedly, glasses-free 3D.
Delta Assault
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It ends at HER (human eye resolution).
Fortinbras
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I won't rebuy my collection again. I own a lot of blu-rays but I also own a lot of dvds. There are still thousands of movies not available on blu-ray and these aren't just some niche European arthouse films.
I'm still waiting for blu-ray versions of films like The Abyss, Panic Room, True Lies, Bad Boys 2 and others.
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