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[Kinitari]

Really? So now where calling any dot an eye. The blue smudge looks nothing like a mouth. It looks like all she did was add an eye to her randomly splashed painting and said it was something. There is no head to thing. You are really reaching.

I can't help but agree... and it's not like you can't be abstract and draw something recognizable at the same time

I can appreciate something like this so much more than a raw pollock-like painting. These sorts of paintings demand skill, if not talent.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Oh god. There is shape though. For the subject matter at hand there is a pretty clear idea what is going on, at least for the head. I can see why you would say that for the other areas, but the head part is so clear.

You can see the red parts forming around what is the area of the mouth. You can see the bit of paint fanning out from the eye area. Whether it's a coincidence that it formed a dancing lion is up to you, but it very clearly is one to me, and I don't really see it as that much of a stretch. I'm not saying it's an amazing representation of the subject, but at her age she does it really well.

I know dancing lions come in different colours and configurations but they always have a consistent theme. The eye and lip area are always bushy. I know. I've seen alot of them in real life. A relative of mine works in a dancing lion troupe.

Also if you still think my lines are bullshit just open up photoshop or paint and just follow the shape of the major colour areas.

 

[CrazyDude]

Oh god. There is shape though. For the subject matter at hand there is a pretty clear idea what is going on, at least for the head. I can see why you would say that for the other areas, but the head part is so clear.

You can see the red parts forming around what is the area of the mouth. You can see the bit of paint fanning out from the eye area. Whether it's a coincidence that it formed a dancing lion is up to you, but it very clearly is one to me, and I don't really see it as that much of a stretch. I'm not saying it's an amazing representation of the subject, but at her age she does it really well.

I know dancing lions come in different colors and configurations but they always have a consistent theme. The eye and lip area are always bushy. I know. I've seen alot of them in real life. A relative of mine works in a dancing lion troupe.

And now it looks like a fish.

You can make it look however you want it too. The dark area for the eye, was obviously carved out after the thing was painted.

 

[Jay Sosa]

Since most of you guys are saying any kid can do this I'm gonna ask my niece to make some canvas paintings for me. I'm gonna be filthy rich..hell yeah.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

And now it looks like a fish.

You can make it look however you want it too. The dark area for the eye, was obviously carved out after the thing was painted.

I can only see a white man vomiting blood. There's an undigested olive he swallowed whole in there too.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Oh god. There is shape though. For the subject matter at hand there is a pretty clear idea what is going on, at least for the head. I can see why you would say that for the other areas, but the head part is so clear.

You can see the red parts forming around what is the area of the mouth. You can see the bit of paint fanning out from the eye area. Whether it's a coincidence that it formed a dancing lion is up to you, but it very clearly is one to me, and I don't really see it as that much of a stretch. I'm not saying it's an amazing representation of the subject, but at her age she does it really well.

I know dancing lions come in different colours and configurations but they always have a consistent theme. The eye and lip area are always bushy. I know. I've seen alot of them in real life. A relative of mine works in a dancing lion troupe.

Also if you still think my lines are bullshit just open up photoshop or paint and just follow the shape of the major colour areas.

Is she who names the paintings, or someone else does?

 

[Antiwhippy]

Dude, I know you're trying to mock the paintings, and I understand the sentiment somewhat, but goddamn you are stretching to ridicule it too. Sure it looks like a fish, if you ignore the major areas or colours and shapes (very important in art, the most basic form of it really), like the red area, and also the pretty well defined area that is the yellow circle with a blue dot inside it which looks alot like an eye to me, and the yellow and orange bit that flanges out of it, which looks like eyebrows to me.

That's all I can really say about the subject really without just repeating points over and over. Feel free to dismiss it as nonsense if you want. I'm just trying to give a fair shake for her paintings and her stand out painting to me at least has a fairly apparent subject even if it get lost in incoherent strokes for more than half of it. Just pointing out that it's just a 5 year old trying to paint within her technical limitations, and it's pretty good at her age. I don't begrudge her, just the people who are trying to market her.

Is she who names the paintings, or someone else does?

I assume it's her. All of her paintings have titles which are mostly names of the subjects and for some I can actually see forms of the subject, but then it gets lost in incoherent splats and strokes.

 

[Xun]

Since most of you guys are saying any kid can do this I'm gonna ask my niece to make some canvas paintings for me. I'm gonna be filthy rich..hell yeah.

Just get her to say some pretentious shit and you'll be rich beyond belief.

 

[CrazyDude]

Now it's a red dino vomiting!

 

[Jay Sosa]

Just get her to say some pretentious shit and you'll be rich beyond belief.

wouldn't it be even better if she doesn't say a thing? That might be hard to achieve though..she talks like a waterfall.

 

[HiResDes]

Not bad, I see a bit of potential, though it obviously has come into fruition quite yet.

 

[Lebron]

This girl's art is impressive. Scroll down to see her work she did as a child.
http://www.akiane.com/store/


The other girl is throwing random colors on a canvas and getting attention. Good for her, but none of it is impressive in the least.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

This isn't just paint on a canvas. It's a about composition, about the realtions between the colours, the volume of the colour.

Good artists understand these relations, they know why a "splash of paint" looks good and why another doesn't. And yes a 5 year old can be a "prodigy" in arts. What if this kid understands how these colour relations work on a subconcious level?

But people will continue to post "just a splash of paint", "everyone can do it"....

Nonsense. Art, by its very nature, is purely subjective, particularly "expressionist" art. Are you saying the relations of colour you appreciate, are of more merit than the ones I do?

It's ordered chaos. Throw enough shit at the wall, and some of it will stick. I bet she has 10 x as many awful, garish canvasses, the ones we are seeing are the pick of the bunch.

Sorry, it's pretentious bullshit. I'm glad she's found her vocation, and is having fun. I suppose I'm also glad her parents have suckered enough fickle art dealers to build up a nice little nest egg for her future. But I need to see more than finger painting before I'm convinced.

And make no mistake, it's finger painting. Expensive, appreciated finger painting, but it's still, common or garden, most kids do it, finger painting.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Since most of you guys are saying any kid can do this I'm gonna ask my niece to make some canvas paintings for me. I'm gonna be filthy rich..hell yeah.

Have you got your sales shtick down? Have you written a thoroughly obnoxious pitch for each piece, explaining how she was trying to convey the unrelenting cruelty of the world around us? Have you taken some arty snaps of her with paint on her hands for the website?

 

[Xun]

This girl's art is impressive. Scroll down to see her work she did as a child.
http://www.akiane.com/store/

The Power Of Jesus

 

[SRG01]

I don't see anything, but blob of colors. It looks nothing like a Chinese dragon. People are letting what they read influence what they see. How about looking at the painting with reading the title? You'll notice how everything is a blob.

I think you're missing the point of the painting then...

 

[MMaRsu]

Lol looks like I should start making some 'art'.

 

[3phemeral]

Nonsense. Art, by its very nature, is purely subjective, particularly "expressionist" art. Are you saying the relations of colour you appreciate, are of more merit than the ones I do?

It's ordered chaos. Throw enough shit at the wall, and some of it will stick. I bet she has 10 x as many awful, garish canvasses, the ones we are seeing are the pick of the bunch.

Sorry, it's pretentious bullshit. I'm glad she's found her vocation, and is having fun. I suppose I'm also glad her parents have suckered enough fickle art dealers to build up a nice little nest egg for her future. But I need to see more than finger painting before I'm convinced.

And make no mistake, it's finger painting. Expensive, appreciated finger painting, but it's still, common or garden, most kids do it, finger painting.

That's where you're wrong. Take a color theory class and you'll strongly see the relationship between hues, tones, shade, tint, how the brain interprets those correlations, and how you can manipulate those associations via placement, shape, or contrast. It's the very basis for entire movements in art like impressionist painting.

 

[HiResDes]

Everyone needs to watch this instructional video

and then visit my thread

 

[agrajag]

Art students can tell which one is a known painting and which one was just some kid? Wow!

Seriously, that's a terrible study. Why specifically art students and psychology students? Why not ordinary people? Probably because it would have turned out differently.

The first link actually says that the results go against a previous study in which people found pictures to be more aesthetically pleasing simply because they believed they were from an art gallery as opposed to computer generated.

Heh, when I looked at the two pictures at the top of the article, I got them wrong. The one made by the kid looks more composed and less child-like than the one done by the "professional abstract artist."

 

[The Boat]

Oh god. There is shape though. For the subject matter at hand there is a pretty clear idea what is going on, at least for the head. I can see why you would say that for the other areas, but the head part is so clear.

Someone do that Wollan outline thing.

 

[goodfella]

Whole lotta art snobs in here.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

That's where you're wrong. Take a color theory class and you'll strongly see the relationship between hues, tones, shade, tint, how the brain interprets those correlations, and how you can manipulate those associations via placement, shape, or contrast. It's the very basis for entire movements in art like impressionist painting.

Whole lotta art snobs in here.

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I'm not saying you don't know your shit, as it sounds like you do, but you just aren't going to convince me that her work has any more merit than your average finger painting. As I say, the day she paints something that actually shows some genuine technique, I most think her parents are peddling her as a charlatan.

 

[Antiwhippy]

That's not really art snobbery. Colour theory, shapes and contrast pretty much part of what people get taught as the basic elements of art and design.

I think most of us here acknowledge that it's her parents trying to sell her as a prodigy, but that fingerpainting can sometimes convey a subject. Maybe this is what you get when you let kids mess around with enough paint in order to draw animals.

 

[3phemeral]

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I'm not saying you don't know your shit, as it sounds like you do, but you just aren't going to convince me that her work has any more merit than your average finger painting. As I say, the day she paints something that actually shows some genuine technique, I most think her parents are peddling her as a charlatan.

I'm not vouching for her work (I've already mentioned I don't care for it), I'm referring to your comment about art being wholly subjective, when it's not.

Maybe art of the masses a la "let's paint for the sake of something pretty." Sure, that art is mostly subjective. It's just superficial art, like can be said of any other subject where someone has only a cursory understanding of the field. With that said, if you're curious enough to pursue learning the finer details of art beyond that, there are a lot of meaty topics to cover.

Whole lotta art snobs in here.

Art "snobs" are no different from experts in whatever other academic pursuit (though, I'm not denying there are snot-nosed elitists that look down on those who don't understand it). Most just get a bad wrap because art builds a more immediate emotional connection versus something that's more traditionally quantifiable like math, and people don't like to be told what they do or do not like due to that immediate connection.

Point being, there are legitimate reasons why genres of art exists and why they're distinguishable from amateur artists attempting to produce it without understanding it. You can like the art you like, but don't be dismissive of something you don't care to study. Same could be said of evolution or theoretical physics, really.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Whether her art has merit at the moment, until I see something where I can actually have a frame of reference, it's just noise. My opinion obviously.

 

[Jaffaboy]

Her work doesn't really do anything for me, but what is impressive is the encouragement she's getting to do this from her parents which can only bring good things for her in the future. We all painted when we were kids, but not the amount or with the resources she has, but through encouraging her to carry on she's only going to get better. As an illustrator myself I wish I had more of a foundation like this that would encourage me to be more creative as a child, which might have helped me become more motivated and talented now. A lot of it is down to me of course, but having the freedom to create something like this girl at her age, art or not, is fantastic for her.

 

[goodfella]

Well, I was actually referring to the people who say this cannot be art as it is not good enough. That is snobbery in its purest form.

It's not technique that defines art.

What is the problem with just saying 'I don't get it', rather than attacking it. I sure don't get most art, but I don't dismiss it.

 

[3phemeral]

Whether her art has merit at the moment, until I see something where I can actually have a frame of reference, it's just noise. My opinion obviously.

I don't see much in her art myself, but for anyone interested, a good book about fine art composition is a good start:

Mastering Composition: Techniques and Principles to Dramatically Improve Your Painting

Then you'll realize how much work goes into composing the scene: how to control the lighting, what colors to use for outlining subjects, how proportion effects perception, balance of negative and positive space and ultimately, how all of those components masterfully guide the eye around the painting in a purposeful manner.

It's a lot more complicated then people realize, and it takes a lot of preparation than simply "painting what you're seeing."

 

[maquiladora]

I made this in MS Paint in 30 seconds. I'm an art genius. Film crew for the Vimeo short film are on the way, they had to stop by a place to pick up some expensive lens.

This one is going to New York.

 

[Izick]

I made this in MS Paint in 30 seconds. I'm an art genius. Film crew for the Vimeo short film are on the way, they had to stop by a place to pick up some expensive lens.

This one is going to New York.

Holy fuck...the strokes of the gray....the key placements of green and blue, not to mention the oh so subtle use of the spray-paint tool....oh my....we have another prodigy! If you look closesly, the hundreds of thousands of level of detail in the green is mathematically impossible to create in 30 seconds, but this person did it! Genius!

 

[.JayZii]

I made this in MS Paint in 30 seconds. I'm an art genius. Film crew for the Vimeo short film are on the way, they had to stop by a place to pick up some expensive lens.

This one is going to New York.

Looks like shit. My 5 year old could do this. Modern art is such a fucking joke.

 

[Izick]

I was inspired by its one painting, so I created this.

The pre-made dinosaur in the image really makes the art pop in my opinion. Gives it that primal edge, you know what I mean?

 

[Like the hat?]

I guess I'll just never get modern art.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I was inspired by its one painting, so I created this.

The pre-made dinosaur in the image really makes the art pop in my opinion. Gives it that primal edge, you know what I mean?

Now try to sell it.

 

[Izick]

Now try to sell it.

Hold on, I need to get some shill from the media first to get in on it.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Good luck with that.

 

[Ferrio]

I was inspired by its one painting, so I created this.

* pretentious bullshit*

The pre-made dinosaur in the image really makes the art pop in my opinion. Gives it that primal edge, you know what I mean?

That's crap. Now this is art.

 

[Izick]

Good luck with that.

Thanks, I'll make sure to mention you in the documentary coming out next Fall in a theater near you!

That's crap. Now this is art.

Teach me your ways.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

its so easy a 5 year old can do it

 

[Dyno]

I see no talent in the artist. This is all about the quality of the materials the parents are giving her to work with. With good, sturdy canvas and some high end paints and any of our children would do just as well.

 

[Ultima_5]

When I was 5, my parents just hung my art up on the fridge. Damn, they're gonna be pissed to know they're missing out on all this cash.

 

[Kosmo]

"I'm going to paint for 24 hours."

Yay child abuse!

This is absurd. At the same time, I admire parents that would take advantage of elitist art snobs like this.

 

[Locke]

I love threads like this. If ANYONE can paint like this, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT.

Do you just not want hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or do you realize, deep down, that really NOT everyone can do it, and it's probably a lot harder than it looks.

To summarize, all the people spouting a bunch of bullshit about how easy it is to create modern and abstract art are either idiots, or people who could care less about millions of dollars.

I think its pretty obvious which one.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Thanks, I'll make sure to mention you in the documentary coming out next Fall in a theater near you!

But that is not happening.

 

[Kosmo]

I love threads like this. If ANYONE can paint like this, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT.

Do you just not want hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or do you realize, deep down, that really NOT everyone can do it, and it's probably a lot harder than it looks.

To summarize, all the people spouting a bunch of bullshit about how easy it is to create modern and abstract art are either idiots, or people who could care less about millions of dollars.

I think its pretty obvious which one.

The more proper question is: "If you think ANYONE can market their kids' shitty finger paintintg, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT."

 

[Locke]

I agree the art world can be quite pretentious and impressionable, but I don't really think even with the best marketing in the world, my shitty stick figure drawings I made as a 5 year old would be selling very well.

 

[Ferrio]

It's all about the connections really.

There's tons of talented artists that get shit for life, but a girl born of two parent artists gets it handed to her.

 

[AlexMeloche]

Fuck the haters, I like how her paintings look.

 

[HamPster PamPster]

I went to the modern art exhibit at my city's museum this past weekend... terrible. I think time will take care of it though, 40 years from now an exhibit with art from 2000 to 2010 will be more interesting as the crap gets forgotten and the handful of good pieces are remembered.

I almost felt sorry for the modern art after walking though the rest of the exhibit... or maybe sorry for the old artists being featured in the same building as the modern stuff

I love threads like this. If ANYONE can paint like this, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT.

Do you just not want hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or do you realize, deep down, that really NOT everyone can do it, and it's probably a lot harder than it looks.

To summarize, all the people spouting a bunch of bullshit about how easy it is to create modern and abstract art are either idiots, or people who could care less about millions of dollars.

I think its pretty obvious which one.

One of the peices I saw in the exhibit was dirty laundry... no really, dirty laundry. I create that every day, I just don't know how to sell it


Fake Edit: Anyone ever watch the Dilbert cartoon? The modern art episode was one of my favorites