dark_chris
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That's actually Videl, getting a Super Saiyan charge
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50 Episodes Later, Is Dragon Ball Super a better sequel than GT?
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That's actually Videl, getting a Super Saiyan charge
Rapscallion
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I know. There's light hearted filler like Goku and Piccolo learning how to drive and Gohan trying to be a super hero, but on a whole I feel Super has more comedy and whimsy to it. This new arc is the first time I have felt that Super's plotline actually have stakes to them. A few episodes ago we had Vegeta near death sucking on a pacifier; it's that kind of stuff that makes me feel like Super isn't taking itself as serious as Z/GT
Could you be any worse if you tried ?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Super is definitely lighter in tone than all of Z. Much closer to the original Dragon Ball in that regard.
King Piccolo through Cell is much more serious than anything else in the series. Of course it's got Dragon Ball goofiness to it, but it's still very different in tone. This latest arc seems to be in the same vein as that stretch of the series, though.
I like Super for the characters of Beerus and Whis. Those two have become my two favorites. I enjoyed the movies but i hated that Super had to retread those again. For the most part it dismantled a bit of interest.
The tournament arc was enjoyable for the fight scenes, and introducing characters like Hit and the ruler of all the universes. Story wise Super has not established much to judge on yet. We'll have to see how the Trunks arc goes before we try to compare even a little to GT.
The tournament arc was enjoyable for the fight scenes, and introducing characters like Hit and the ruler of all the universes. Story wise Super has not established much to judge on yet. We'll have to see how the Trunks arc goes before we try to compare even a little to GT.
LOL, talk about judging without context
I like Super a hell of a lot more than GT. Never really enjoyed GT at all, but have been having a lot of fun with Super. Only weak spots for me in Super were the retelling of the movies, the animation quality at times, and the overall fighting choreography. GT was animated better than Super, and is more visually consistent overall, but that wasn't enough to salvage the series. GT is almost unwatchable for me.
Kyleripman
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Yes, but what I'm really saying is that the movies are a better sequel. Because so far, the meatiest content of Super has come directly from the movies. I'll reevaluate Super as a whole when we hit episode 64.
(and I like GT)
(and I like GT)
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JeremyEtcetera
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A Link to the Past
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Do humans get much play in Super?
Do humans get much play in Super?
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JeremyEtcetera
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Answer: Bulma.
I mean, it's Mr. Satan. He was always Toriyama's favorite.
I don't know the context, but it's probably just a joke or something, like "Mr. Satan gets jealous of the Saiyans so he uses cheap SFX during a tournament to look like a Super Saiyan, though he isn't"
I'm curious about this, myself. I mean, I'm assuming they're still forgotten, but it'd be nice to see Krillin, Tien, Chi-Chi, and Yamcha do something more than stand around in the background again. It was great in RoF, but I'd like to see it go a step further.
Bulma has always been relevant. I'm waiting for some other humans to do something lol. My man Tien has been on the grind training for years, someone throw him a power up please!
Blackleg-sanji1
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Let me put it to you this way. The power gap has grown so ridiculously large that ss3 gotenks gets turned into a scrub by base form Vegeta. The humans Aint doing shit.
A man can dream. Maybe a clutch Solar Flare or Tri-Beam, give him a bone Toei!
LordOfChaos
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In terms of human fighters, no, Super has gone even further towards making Goku and Vegeta pretty much the only relevant ones, while the rest are on mook cleanup duty. That's just been standard fare since Z too, but now the power gap seems completely insurmountable by non-saiyans, and even among saiyans SSB is many many times above any of the ones who haven't made it there yet.
For not-fighting, Bulma does some science shit. Gohan won some sort of nerding award.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I'm right with you I wanna see my main man krillin do something great too. Same for piccolo
No, just some lighting effect on Videl.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Piccolo got shafted hard in the Universe 6 tourney. That was some serious nonsense.
I feel like that arc was rushed. No Buu, Piccolo barely gets one fight, Monaka
is a sham
The more I think about it the more salty I am.
when you actually stop and think about it the entire damn show feels rushed
I'm just so desperate for new dragon ball that I'm still loving the shit out of it. But it's so clearly flawed all the same.
This mostly reflects my own feelings.
Some people say the Cell saga is p good cause it uses the whole cast....except for fucking Son Gohan, who is irrelevant until the very end where he is deus ex machina'd into being more powerful than Goku.
I really like the development of Gohan after that. Wacky teenager who wanted to be a superhero, then an actual scholar like Chichi always wanted and a better family man than his own father (well....so far on this last account)
The Trunks arc feels a lot different so far... aside from the cheap gag moments so I guess we'll see how that turns out considering Toriyama spent a decent amount of time drafting up the outline for it.
I wish they'd get Bruce Faulconer to do the dub music...they won't, but I wish.
Toriyama developed his story as he went, is why. He could have gone about it better, I agree but the whole "Gohan potential" development came full circle during the Cell Games and that's what he was aiming for, more or less.
Well yeah, the whole Gohan potential plotline came to a head in the final arc of the android saga but that's p much my point; Saiyan and Freeza sagas had pretty great roles for Gohan, and even when sidelined from protagonism in Buu saga, he does waaay more and is waaaaaaaay more interesting a character during Buu than Cell Saga Gohan.
The actual passing of the torch was p botched and I am weirded out by people getting so attached to it.
Lamel
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They are very different.
I will withhold judgment until this new F trunks arc in super, as I liked Z when the stakes were high and the threats were serious. I haven't felt that in super yet. GT was kind of rushed in that regard as well.
Super does do comedy way better though.
I agree, plot lines developed slower in DBZ, which I liked because it gave a feeling of higher stakes. Super does indeed seem a bit rushed but we will see with this next arc.
I will withhold judgment until this new F trunks arc in super, as I liked Z when the stakes were high and the threats were serious. I haven't felt that in super yet. GT was kind of rushed in that regard as well.
Super does do comedy way better though.
I agree, plot lines developed slower in DBZ, which I liked because it gave a feeling of higher stakes. Super does indeed seem a bit rushed but we will see with this next arc.
A Link to the Past
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You make me hate this show lol. This sounds terrible, it's literally the exact opposite of what I wanted!
I mean, there's so many ways they COULD have fixed the power creep absurdity - like maybe have it be that when Master Roshi reaches a certain age, he becomes like, stupid powerful. Or asspull a reason for Piccolo to be relevant again. Maybe have Krillin train on a weird planet and learn a technique that shrinks the gap considerably.
This just makes me sad
Unknown One
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The power creep got worst actually. Only Goku and Vegeta got power ups that is several times more powerful than SSJ3 in a 6-12 months of training.
I haven't watched any DBS, but WOAH....
We're shitting on GT because it had some cool ideas (Fighting Cell and Frieza in Hell? Sweet! and the whole last arc) but it was awful with the execution. GT's saving grace was the artstyle and OST.
Some of Super's/the new movies ideas like Golden Frieza definitely is fan fiction tier but it's just much better executed overall. Though we'll see where the next arc goes.
that's how you know when someone's judging something out of context
Yup. It was awesome. Even if I like the design of SSJ4 better I can't remember a single moment from GT where he felt as power as Goku feels in that clip. GT had characters on model far more often then Super, but to my recollection it never made the fights feel as powerful (For lack of a better word) as some of the moments already seen in Super. The fights always seemed slow and clunky in GT to me.
Yeah, and we know Toriyama's editors kept wanting a bunch of "cooler" stuff during the Android/Cell arc which is why a lot of it is kind of cobbled together compared to - like you said - the Saiyan and Namek arcs.
People like the end of the Cell arc because it was an awesome moment regardless of the episodes that came before it.
I liked the tournament arc, but you're right. I was so sad when Boo got shafted.
Maybe by about halfway through the Imperfect Cell saga, but before that no way.
It was a thing in both the Saiyan and Namek sagas as well though.
sleverfunk
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Super> GT
Just look at this badass.
Just look at this badass.
UnemployedVillain
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I admit, that does look pretty cool. Although the clip in the middle of Goku originally using kaio-ken still seemed to have more intensity. But I'll give Super credit where it's due
Call me an old timer, but having grown up with Dragon Ball and early Drahon Ball Z in the '80s, both GT and Super are totally unneeded spinoff trash. Way too far removed from Toriyama's original creations, and let's face it the manga really ended as it should. Who cares about the 3547th SSJ powerlevel increase anymore....
Yep, was basically foreshadowed from the very beginning of Z. That's why I found the shift to Gohan to be very satisfying during the Cell Games. I can see how it may have come out of left field for some, because Gohan was not very active earlier in the arc, but it honestly felt right to me. Still one of my favorite moments in the whole series.
Almost everyone in this thread. You even cared enough to share your own opinion.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Ever since Gohan had that insane power level reading from inside the pod, bust out, and headbutt Raditz, there was nothing but constant hints to Gohan's potential. It's why when he went SS2 and took the spot of hero everyone was like "FINALLY!!!" And it was a moment that was even more effective than Goku's own Super Saiyan transformation. Gohan didn't even necessarily get shafted in Buu - he held his own against Dabura in a weakened state and shot back up the power totem pole pretty quickly, but Buu was a unique villain in that he could absorb people and constantly change forms, so even the strongest of the strongest (Gohan unfused, Vegito in general) could get cheaply beaten.
Cell arc is pretty bad from the moment he gets to his second form up until his fight with Goku, I agree there. Android/Cell is my overall favorite arc though.
Cell arc is pretty bad from the moment he gets to his second form up until his fight with Goku, I agree there. Android/Cell is my overall favorite arc though.
He is entitled to his opinion.
Crimsonclaw111
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Super> GT
Just look at this badass.
Goku wearing an earring. 0/10.
That's not Goku
Crimsonclaw111
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I know, I'm messing around.
Welp I'm not caught up and am instantly confused. Only on episode 15 haha.
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