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[ReiGun]

Actually, it's still unclear just how strong she is in the new 52. She hasn't had much in the way of feats since it started.

Still slapped Superman and GL in that one issue.

In her own book, she's been dealing with gods, so it makes since she isn't just running through everyone.

 

[Slayven]

They don't call him "Amazing" for nothing.

If Spidey decides you need an ass whupping, you really can't do anything but comply.

And they know this man

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[Manmademan]

Actually, it's still unclear just how strong she is in the new 52. She hasn't had much in the way of feats since it started.

Still slapped Superman and GL in that one issue.





In her own book, she's been dealing with gods, so it makes since she isn't just running through everyone.

duly noted. Again, I haven't been keeping up with comics as much as I once did.

Regardless, Batman taking out WW isn't happening in any realistic scenario, ever. She's far, FAR outside of his weight class.

edit: good LORD at that spidey scan. Ok ok. he's good, but I still take issue with "teams of Xmen" levels of good. who is in that panel? Mr Fantastic is obvious, is that Radioactive man and...?

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

Batman would be less boring if he didn't wear a costume, went to church with his parents every Sunday, had a slight speech impediment and was of modest income. Screw that, prep time the universe!

 

[TheKaeptain]

And they know this man

That is why Spidey is the bestest.

 

[Slayven]

Batman would be less boring if he didn't wear a costume, went to church with his parents every Sunday, had a slight speech impediment and was of modest income. Screw that, prep time the universe!

I wish people would get the point of The Tower of Babylon.

That is why Spidey is the bestest.

You drop knowledge once in a while.

 

[Pandaman]

New 52 turned down her power levels quite a bit.

her arm bands are power limiters in new52. she fought Gods when she took them off.

 

[- J - D -]

Normally, I hate this meme, and it doesn't actually refute any of the io9 article's points (it may actually, in an ironic way, support them), but I can't remember a time when Batman was more hilarious and fascinating.

 

[Ahasverus]

i can see it happening in a "what if" or "elseworlds" book.

There have been some REALLY fucked up ones. like this!



edit: it's also worth noting that it's totally impossible to "bankrupt" something like Wayne enterprises and/or Bruce wayne himself outside of Bernie Madoff level fraud (which of course, bruce would never knowingly do). One of the reasons why The Dark Knight Rises bothered the hell out of me.

Care to explain? I'm curious

 

[Bleepey]

I read a couple Batman ongoing comics to keep up with the Joneses but I actively dislike the character and find him incredibly boring*. I thought Nolan's Batman films were some of the most egregiously plotted, poorly paced and all around overrated movies of the last couple years.

*the exception to this being 60s campy Batman, which I would pay one U.S. testicle to have revived in some fashion.

Watch brave and the bold.

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

I wish people would get the point of The Tower of Babylon.

That the stairway of heaven would lead Batman away from god or something? That Batman has trust issues? That even Batman can't handle the awesomeness of Batman sometimes? That Ra's al Ghul is determined and adorable?

 

[mantidor]

I'm no expert so maybe I'm wrong, but I think the premise has become outdated, the whole getting your parents killed is indeed terrible, but after all the messed up things the Joker has done, or any other villain in this universe, Batman still traumatized by that seems just unrealistic.

 

[Manmademan]

Care to explain? I'm curious

What, why it's impossible for a multi billionaire to go bankrupt literally overnight?

There are dozens of reasons, but the easiest ones to explain are:

1.) Diversification- anyone with THAT much money splits it into short and long term assets, puts it into "non liquid" forms like physical plants, patent portfolios, part ownership in other companies, and real estate investments that could not be sold easily, etc- meaning selling all of it instantly is impossible. It's also likely that wayne holds a significant amount of restricted company stock, or stock options that can't be sold for an indeterminate amount of time- 5 years, 10 years, whatever. This is really common in the business world.

2.) The stock market is a "virtual" entity, and can and has been "rolled back" in the event of "flash crashes", resetting the market. A literal attack on an exchange combined with a massive multibillion dollar sale in the middle of the night would raise all kinds of flags.

3.)Tying into the above, There are also "circuit breakers" built in to the market. The majority of trades done now are done by high speed algorithms, not individual traders. a large scale sell (remember, bruce is a multibillionaire) would cause these algorithms to go into full scale sell mode (anticipating some kind of market crash), triggering a "flash crash" and tripping a circuit breaker, freezing all trade. This actually happened a couple of years ago when a trader messed up and sold an impossibly large number of shares of something.

4.) The wealth of the corporation and the wealth of the individual are kept separate. Even if through some bizarre event wayne enterprises as a corporation went bankrupt overnight (say, being sued out of oblivion), wayne's personal fortune would be untouchable, and vice versa. It's possible (though extremely implausible) that one or the other could go bankrupt, but not both at once.

can a guy that's worth tens of millions waste his cash on hookers and blow and go bankrupt overnight? sure. Tens of BILLIONS? not really. Would take a miracle, or really bad writing.

 

[adamsappel]

Batman is a detective and wants to lower crime. His stories should focus less on super villains and more on him making decisions and taking action to reduce crime and the repercussions of those actions.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm no expert so maybe I'm wrong, but I think the premise has become outdated, the whole getting your parents killed is indeed terrible, but after all the messed up things the Joker has done, or any other villain in this universe, Batman still traumatized by that seems just unrealistic.

Competent writers who understand the idea of character evolution will often offer alternative explanations for why Bruce continues as Batman. Incompetent writers will often bring up his dead parents as a motivation because they're new to writing the character and therefore the character should also be new, with those emotional wounds seen as still raw.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

iron man > batman

 

[TheKaeptain]

iron man > batman

He wishes.

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

iron man > batman

I disagree. Batman's dead parents > Iron Man

 

[Manmademan]

Doom > iron man > batman

FTFY

 

[Bleepey]

What, why it's impossible for a multi billionaire to go bankrupt literally overnight?

There are dozens of reasons, but the easiest ones to explain are:

1.) Diversification- anyone with THAT much money splits it into short and long term assets, puts it into "non liquid" forms like physical plants, patent portfolios, part ownership in other companies, and real estate investments that could not be sold easily, etc- meaning selling all of it instantly is impossible. It's also likely that wayne holds a significant amount of restricted company stock, or stock options that can't be sold for an indeterminate amount of time- 5 years, 10 years, whatever. This is really common in the business world.

2.) The stock market is a "virtual" entity, and can and has been "rolled back" in the event of "flash crashes", resetting the market. A literal attack on an exchange combined with a massive multibillion dollar sale in the middle of the night would raise all kinds of flags.

3.)Tying into the above, There are also "circuit breakers" built in to the market. The majority of trades done now are done by high speed algorithms, not individual traders. a large scale sell (remember, bruce is a multibillionaire) would cause these algorithms to go into full scale sell mode (anticipating some kind of market crash), triggering a "flash crash" and tripping a circuit breaker, freezing all trade. This actually happened a couple of years ago when a trader messed up and sold an impossibly large number of shares of something.

4.) The wealth of the corporation and the wealth of the individual are kept separate. Even if through some bizarre event wayne enterprises as a corporation went bankrupt overnight (say, being sued out of oblivion), wayne's personal fortune would be untouchable, and vice versa. It's possible (though extremely implausible) that one or the other could go bankrupt, but not both at once.

can a guy that's worth tens of millions waste his cash on hookers and blow and go bankrupt overnight? sure. Tens of BILLIONS? not really. Would take a miracle, or really bad writing.

Also :

http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2012/07/23/the-dark-knight-rises-i-corporate-shenanigans/

http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2012/08/01/the-dark-knight-rises-bankruptcy/

 

[ReiGun]

iron man > batman

Batman would never lose to a bottle of Jack Daniels. Tony, on the other hand...

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

Batman would never lose to a bottle of Jack Daniels. Tony, on the other hand...

Exactly. I wasn't talking in terms of power levels.

 

[Bleepey]

http://whatculture.com/comics/15-reasons-why-daredevil-is-the-greatest-superhero-of-all-time.php


Daredevil is far better written and a more interesting character than Batman. Nolan can try buy Bruce Wayne ain't interesting. Matt Murdock however carries story arcs by himself.

 

[Remmy2112]

edit: good LORD at that spidey scan. Ok ok. he's good, but I still take issue with "teams of Xmen" levels of good. who is in that panel? Mr Fantastic is obvious, is that Radioactive man and...?

First guy appears to be Bishop while the second looks to be Doc Samson. I don't know who the guy with the white mask is, but the outfit looks vaguely familiar. Probably a C or D list villain. Glowing guy is Radioactive Man. ZE GOGGLES, ZHEY DO NOTHINK!

Edit: One of Spider-Man's most consistent feats is that he does better fighting groups than he does against a single opponent. And he has done this to some pretty diverse groups, power-wise.

 

[Manmademan]

Also :

http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2012/07/23/the-dark-knight-rises-i-corporate-shenanigans/

http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2012/08/01/the-dark-knight-rises-bankruptcy/

Exactly. I'd consider my knowledge of finance and trade to be "average to below average" (I'm not a pro by any means) and that particular part of the movie to me was so off the wall it dragged down the rest of it.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

You know, I watched Year One and he kicked a tree in half. It stands to reason with me that there is a trail of dead bodies behind him or at least a lot of retarded Henchmen.

 

[sleepykyo]

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Batman is basically T'challa with the drive to lead a nation....of domination.

Currently watching Season 2 of the Avengers animation (such a downfall from the previous season) but T'challa takes the Batman thing to another level. He'd probably take the entire Avengers.

her arm bands are power limiters in new52. she fought Gods when she took them off.

:/ I didn't like that premise in Bleach or Ah My Goddess.

iron man > batman

Batman should be Iron Man. He obviously has no issues with using modern technology and the funds to get anything. He might as well become Iron Bat.

 

[TheKaeptain]

First guy appears to be Bishop while the second looks to be Doc Samson. I don't know who the guy with the white mask is, but the outfit looks vaguely familiar. Probably a C or D list villain. Glowing guy is Radioactive Man. ZE GOGGLES, ZHEY DO NOTHINK!

Edit: One of Spider-Man's most consistent feats is that he does better fighting groups than he does against a single opponent. And he has done this to some pretty diverse groups, power-wise.

And that is Spidey holding back. He'd probably beat up more the A-listers in Marvel and DC.

 

[Vermillion]

Have you seen "Batman: The Brave and the Bold?" That's as close as you're gonna get.

Funny enough, even there, Batman is the most boring character (he's the straight man).

He drives us bats.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Batman is boring and a failure. His parents came back from the grave told him so.

Those were just drug induced illusions, doesn't count!

But it was amazing seeing them tear him down.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

FTFY

Doom>all

 

[Face it Tiger..]

BP>>>wimpy cry-baby man.

 

[Vermillion]

That is why Spidey is the bestest.

Yep.

Batman should be Iron Man. He obviously has no issues with using modern technology and the funds to get anything. He might as well become Iron Bat.

Or just upgrade the Insider Suit some more.

...Ah, Insider Suit...

 

[Parallax]

And they know this man

And don't forget how ruthless the man is. He turned komodo into a blubbering mess. You don't mess with the spider man.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

That is why Spidey is the bestest.

Great super hero, or greatest super hero?

 

[TheKaeptain]

Great super hero, or greatest super hero?

Greatest.

 

[BadAss2961]

Batman has had some great stories and villains built around him, but you can only make so many excuses as to why he's clearly way ahead of everyone else. He expanded beyond comics and had the best movies, the best tv show, the best cartoon, even the best video games. Most of which isn't even debatable at this point.

Don't be jelly, people.

 

[Chuckie]

Lol. Some serious bdsm going on here

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Greatest.

We may disagree on some things, but to this I humbly ask for a brofist.

 

[BadAss2961]

Lol. Some serious bdsm going on here

He paid her to do all that.

 

[Ikael]

Curiously enough, Batman is one of the few superheroes that I can stand along with Ironman, precisely because he is rather flawed and his lack of superpowers makes a great template for truthly dangerous situations. I tend to find most Superhero comics boring basically because of the reason stated by this article, unless we are talking about The Boys, but these guys hardly count as superheroes

 

[Slayven]

And don't forget how ruthless the man is. He turned komodo into a blubbering mess. You don't mess with the spider man.

No fucks to give Spiderman is not to messed with.

 

[MC Safety]

No fucks to give Spiderman is not to messed with.

Spider-Man beat a herald of Galactus. And I loved it when he foiled the mopey dopey X-Men in Secret Wars.

 

[Synth_floyd]

Batman is the best superhero because he's just a regular guy who uses his detective skills and his gadgets (which aren't as ridiculously over the top as say, Iron Man). Plus his main weapon is his fucking fist.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

If Batman's boring why am I having so much fun play Arkham City?

 

[Pandaman]

:/ I didn't like that premise in Bleach or Ah My Goddess.

eh, i'll give it a chance.

.

 

[iirate]

eh, i'll give it a chance.

.

Ugh, stupid anime bullshit.

 

[Hawkian]

"what if Batman's parents were imaginary?"
"how could... anyone's parents be imaginary?"
"but what if they were?"

 

[Black_Stride]

How was flashpoint Batman active?

eh, i'll give it a chance.

.

Man i frikken love New 52 Wonder Woman.....fuck thank god DC didnt cover her thighs.
Cant wait for the next issue....has to be the best of the trinity books overall.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

If Batman's boring why am I having so much fun play Arkham City?

Because it took forever to finally make a good Batman video game. They had to compensate for lost time.