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[dave is ok]

Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?

I have to assume you're just trolling at this point. In which case, well played, sir. Well played.

This is basically the prevalent attitude in America. I don't understand it.

The working people and middle class bailed out the banks in 2008 and one year later, after Obama was elected, the rich were already crying about how high taxes would be 'redistributing their wealth'.

 

[Sky Chief]

I agree that personal freedoms are a good thing, however I also believe that the best policy is one that improves the lives of the most people. Liberal ideology aiming to reduce inequality in life so that everyone gets a fair shake, and this improves the lives of the most people. Conservative ideology, when it comes to freedom to concentrate power into a tiny ruling class only improves the lives of a tiny fraction of people, and with diminishing and questionable returns.

I just love posts like these which assume that the policies liberals propose always have the intended results making everyone better off and conservative ideas not only have purely negative outcomes for most of society but they were specifically dreamed up for those reasons.

 

[Dash27]

Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?

I have to assume you're just trolling at this point. In which case, well played, sir. Well played.

Oppressed? No. Rich people are just people, shocker. Some dont give a damn about the poor, some give tons to charity, some in between. Of course rich is already in contention, I know a lot of people here think 200k a year is rich which still makes me smile.

The point does stand though, that you must be sure to be appropriately chaste about your wealth lest you become the bad guy. That can be at any income level over the national average. If you make 75k, the guy making 22k thinks you're rich and you too can be the bad guy! Once you become the bad guy, your best bet is to be quiet because if you complain and/or fight back, well now you're just the rich guy complaining and people will say things like "Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?"

So, make sure you say things like you got your money by luck and thanks to other people. Give a lot of it away, make a show of your compassion for the under privileged, that sort of thing. Even if you dont feel that way, insulate yourself. Then, when no one is looking, do a drive by on a welfare office with your diamond plated M-16. Rich people do that kinda thing all the time.

 

[Foxtastical]

Oppressed? No. Rich people are just people, shocker. Some dont give a damn about the poor, some give tons to charity, some in between. Of course rich is already in contention, I know a lot of people here think 200k a year is rich which still makes me smile.

The point does stand though, that you must be sure to be appropriately chaste about your wealth lest you become the bad guy. That can be at any income level over the national average. If you make 75k, the guy making 22k thinks you're rich and you too can be the bad guy! Once you become the bad guy, your best bet is to be quiet because if you complain and/or fight back, well now you're just the rich guy complaining and people will say things like "Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?"

So, make sure you say things like you got your money by luck and thanks to other people. Give a lot of it away, make a show of your compassion for the under privileged, that sort of thing. Even if you dont feel that way, insulate yourself. Then, when no one is looking, do a drive by on a welfare office with your diamond plated M-16. Rich people do that kinda thing all the time.

Hard knock life.

The rich act ashamed because they are not allowed to act happy about it. Rich people are spat upon by the poor constantly; of course they're going to develop excuses and rationalisations for being rich in a world that also has the poor.

Their spit can't reach me when I'm on private property a football field away from a highway and on a dirtbike.

 

[Devolution]

This is basically the prevalent attitude in America. I don't understand it.

The working people and middle class bailed out the banks in 2008 and one year later, after Obama was elected, the rich were already crying about how high taxes would be 'redistributing their wealth'.

If they make themselves the victims it's harder to talk about wealth distribution without "attacking rich people" it's a great strategy really. This thread for whatever reason reminds me of the silent film I watched today, The Crowd, that basically shits on the American Dream.

 

[Dash27]

This thread for whatever reason reminds me of the silent film I watched today, The Crowd, that basically shits on the American Dream.

That is so unsanitary.

 

[airmangataosenai]

The article hits the nail on the head. I always find it amusing how there's all these accusations of class warfare by wealthy people but in the same breath the same person will imply that the poor are lazy/parasites.

I also don't believe Kapura's claim that he actually read the article given the glaring issue of him claiming the article ignores points which it in truth acknowledges and explores in decent detail, namely the concept of the "Self-Made Man". Wong's explanation for what's wrong with that myth was the absolute truth: Just because the benefits you received aren't as obvious as an actual check doesn't mean they weren't benefits.

 

[poppabk]

Once you become the bad guy, your best bet is to be quiet because if you complain and/or fight back, well now you're just the rich guy complaining and people will say things like "Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?"

Won't someone think of the poor richies!

 

[Puddles]

I just love posts like these which assume that the policies liberals propose always have the intended results making everyone better off and conservative ideas not only have purely negative outcomes for most of society but they were specifically dreamed up for those reasons.

I don't think they were specifically dreamed up for those reasons. I just think conservatives value ideology above everything else, while liberals are motivated by numbers, facts, and outcomes.

 

[Redford]

This is so good, haven't been on that site for a few weeks.

 

[beelzebozo]

#1, and the delusion of the "self-made man" in general, is just so myopic and stupid that it blows my mind. people want so badly to fellate themselves that they turn away reason.

 

[Slavik81]

This is basically the prevalent attitude in America. I don't understand it.

The working people and middle class bailed out the banks in 2008 and one year later, after Obama was elected, the rich were already crying about how high taxes would be 'redistributing their wealth'.

Wasn't that mostly just hardcore Republicans doing some scaremongering?

 

[Karakand]

The point does stand though, that you must be sure to be appropriately chaste about your wealth lest you become the bad guy. That can be at any income level over the national average. If you make 75k, the guy making 22k thinks you're rich and you too can be the bad guy! Once you become the bad guy, your best bet is to be quiet because if you complain and/or fight back, well now you're just the rich guy complaining and people will say things like "Are... are you suggesting that the rich are the oppressed, and the poor the oppressors?"

So, make sure you say things like you got your money by luck and thanks to other people. Give a lot of it away, make a show of your compassion for the under privileged, that sort of thing. Even if you dont feel that way, insulate yourself. Then, when no one is looking, do a drive by on a welfare office with your diamond plated M-16. Rich people do that kinda thing all the time.

Some people live in fear of losing food, health and housing security. Some people have to feign feelings about their wealth for fear of bad PR or having their feelings negated. It's a hard knock life.

 

[Neo C.]

I'm amazed that in a country with such an embarrasingly low social mobility, people are so fierce to defend the rich. It doesn't make sense, it sounds to me like brainwashing.

I can understand this kind of thinking in a country with brutally high social mobility, where people can go up and down really fast, but it's absurd in a country where the rich families stay rich for generations.

 

[Princess Carl]

I'm amazed that in a country with such an embarrasingly low social mobility, people are so fierce to defend the rich. It doesn't make sense, it sounds to me like brainwashing.

I can understand this kind of thinking in a country with brutally high social mobility, where people can go up and down really fast, but it's absurd in a country where the rich families stay rich for generations.

ding ding ding

 

[Lathentar]

I'm amazed that in a country with such an embarrasingly low social mobility, people are so fierce to defend the rich. It doesn't make sense, it sounds to me like brainwashing.

I can understand this kind of thinking in a country with brutally high social mobility, where people can go up and down really fast, but it's absurd in a country where the rich families stay rich for generations.

Where in the world do rich families not stay rich for generations (without making a bonehead decision with their money)?

 

[bill gonorrhea]

And that anyone making above 100k is a parasite on society.

With this attitude you will never make make more than 50k a year. Good luck with your sad sorry future.

 

[Neo C.]

Where in the world do rich families not stay rich for generations (without making a bonehead decision with their money)?

It depend on how you define rich (some Gaffers would say it doesn't start below 10 million or something), but I know several family dynasties in Switzerland which went back to (upper) middle class within three generations. And Switzerland isn't even really good in social mobility, just a bit better than the USA.

 

[remnant]

I don't think they were specifically dreamed up for those reasons. I just think conservatives value ideology above everything else, while liberals are motivated by numbers, facts, and outcomes.

What numbers? Most of their arguments are based off of shitty math and assumptions like in this very thread.