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6 year old girl searched and groped by TSA
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ChocolateCupcakes
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Its ridiculous and excessive but necessary given the current circumstances. And I didn't see any groping, the title was misleading.
ChocolateCupcakes
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dojokun said:
Cause that worked so well right?
Random searches lead to things like this happening every once in a while.
Certain type of non-random searches can lead to discrimination on the basis of race, and may also cause your targets to recruit from new demographics.
I'd say the best approach would be a "baseline" level of security slightly scaled back from what we're doing now, but boosted by trained spotters and camera systems that look for certain types of suspicious behavior.
Certain type of non-random searches can lead to discrimination on the basis of race, and may also cause your targets to recruit from new demographics.
I'd say the best approach would be a "baseline" level of security slightly scaled back from what we're doing now, but boosted by trained spotters and camera systems that look for certain types of suspicious behavior.
CrayzeeCarl
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Yeah, so paranoid. I mean, it's not like terrorists ever fly planes into buildings or anything. We should just do nothing.Fusebox said:
Bumblebeetuna
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glaurung said:
So then back to my original point. If you want to fly, these are the situations you have to deal with sometimes. If you don't like it then don't fly. I don't mind extra security precautions when I travel and I understand it's part of the convenience of air travel.
It's also not as if it's happened in the last nine and a half years.CrayzeeCarl said:
If America is to be attacked, it will be attacked. There's nothing that can be done to stop it unless every terrorist in the world is fucking useless. It's highly unlikely it will come in the form of another plane hijacking.
Nemesis121
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I see no problems, the agent did her job...
ChocolateCupcakes
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Kosmo said:
Maybe they stopped because of the enhanced pat downs?
ChocolateCupcakes
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SmokyDave said:
Ok, guys no more pat downs! I'm sure people will back down because we are being so nice and trusting.
You think that terrorism can't be stopped? On a large scale like bombing maybe not. But if people are smuggling stuff into America then yes, it can be stopped. Why do you feel we should sit back and let it be?
nVidiot_Whore
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I have no clue how effective or ineffective these patdowns are...
But either way.. man.. people way over react to crap like this..
But either way.. man.. people way over react to crap like this..
Byakuya769
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Daaaaaamn, groped??? More like fondled!!! Right?
timetokill
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For the TSA apologists out there, consider this:
The change that will make the most difference has already been done. Specifically, the cockpit door is locked on all flights and nobody gets in there except for the pilots. That alone means something like 9/11 can't happen again. (Unless a terrorist becomes a pilot, in which case none of the TSA measures would work anyway.)
As far as a plane being blown up in mid-air or something, that's going to be impossible to prevent 100%, and the TSA's measures have proven incredibly ineffective at stopping them. They will always be a step or more behind.
Finally, the last line of defense is passengers. As we've seen recently, since 9/11 people are not willing to let shit happen on airplanes anymore. Passengers will report and subdue attacks in progress.
The change that will make the most difference has already been done. Specifically, the cockpit door is locked on all flights and nobody gets in there except for the pilots. That alone means something like 9/11 can't happen again. (Unless a terrorist becomes a pilot, in which case none of the TSA measures would work anyway.)
As far as a plane being blown up in mid-air or something, that's going to be impossible to prevent 100%, and the TSA's measures have proven incredibly ineffective at stopping them. They will always be a step or more behind.
Finally, the last line of defense is passengers. As we've seen recently, since 9/11 people are not willing to let shit happen on airplanes anymore. Passengers will report and subdue attacks in progress.
Terrorism occurs so little in the US that such security measures (which don't even do anything) are a waste of time, money, energy, and never mind 4th amendment issues with the whole process.
If you're concerned about people dying to shit, 14 9/11's occur on the roads each year. That would be a much better use of resources than patting down 6 year olds for bombs.
You're 11 times more likely to be killed by lightning than of terrorism. This is all a waste.
If you're concerned about people dying to shit, 14 9/11's occur on the roads each year. That would be a much better use of resources than patting down 6 year olds for bombs.
You're 11 times more likely to be killed by lightning than of terrorism. This is all a waste.
David Incorporated Esq.
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How the fuck do people still not realize one very important thing:
The current security standards used by the TSA would not have prevented the 9/11 attack.
HURF DURF ARE SAFETY.
Edit: God damn, people, the TSA has admitted it has a 60-70% failure rate on detecting weapons in test runs, and people accidentally bring loaded guns onto planes all the time.
The current security standards used by the TSA would not have prevented the 9/11 attack.
HURF DURF ARE SAFETY.
Edit: God damn, people, the TSA has admitted it has a 60-70% failure rate on detecting weapons in test runs, and people accidentally bring loaded guns onto planes all the time.
Shin Dynamo X
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this was bound to happen eventually, we all knew that it was a matter of time. The question was whether or not someone would really, really have to the nerve to go there.
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TSA =
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It worked as well as what TSA is doing now. The 9/11 terrorists jacked the planes with knives and boxcutters. Obviously, four or five guys on each plane with knives isn't going to overpower sixty+ unarmed passengers on each plane, so the knives and boxcutters weren't the problem. The problem is they lied and said they had a bomb on the plane and people believed them. You could do that without the knives and boxcutters, so current TSA procedures wouldn't have stopped 9/11.ChocolateCupcakes said:
Brian Griffin
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David Incorporated Esq.
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I know this, but I like to think better of GAFers. It's disappointing when so many espouse such utterly naive, childish and irrational beliefs.Brannon said:
David Incorporated Esq.
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HAHA NOPE.luoapp said:
Edit: I want to revisit this. You seriously think a hundred and fifty people tightly packed into a flying sardine can will react rationally when threated with their lives? Really?
"There is a bomb on this plane!"
"Well I'm quite sure there isn't, my good man. The TSA would not allow there to be one so I will calmly relax and return to reading my book."
I'd like to see evidence of that. Because IMO there's too many different types of bombs for TSA to detect no matter what they do. Expecially if the terrorists swallows the explosive liquid somehow. If anything, the public is more likely to fight back even if the terrorists DO have a bomb, because of 9/11. So the TSA policies themselves have done nothing.luoapp said:
Dave Inc. said:
This.
Dai Kaiju
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Kosmo said:
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
That's why. How does no one remember this? The only reason a couple hundred people didn't die that day is because the bomb ended up being a dud. Not addressing the possibility of someone trying it again would be ridiculously irresponsible.
fuzzyreactor
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awesome sensualist thread title
David Incorporated Esq.
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There was a great article talking about all the easily breached security screening, and one of the things the guy pulled was having two pint-sized clear bottles with "saline solution" written on them in sharpie that he played off as being for his contacts.dojokun said:
"Why do you need two?" The TSA agent asked, "Well... two eyes!" he replied, and was allowed on the plane.
What do you think you could do with a whole quart of liquid explosive and a cell-phone?
Do some fucking research: Neither the "enhanced pat-downs" nor the backscatter imaging (nudie pics) would have caught this.Dai Kaiju said:
God damnit people, how gullible are you? Will you just believe anything if it makes you think you'll be safer?
And hell, even if it would have caught the guy, the next guy would just figure out a different way to smuggle an explosive onto the plane! What next, random cavity searches? You down for that?
David Incorporated Esq.
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All I can think of when you say this is Hannity's smug face asking "Well how many attacks have there been since 9/11?" People really do think this shit, they really do.dojokun said:
Edit: This is incredibly tongue-in-cheek, but sometimes I almost wish there would be a bombing at an airport security line just to prove how ridiculous this all is. No, I don't really mean it, but when it happens hopefully we'll realize our mistakes and things change for the better.
Who am I kidding. =(
CrayzeeCarl
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Semi-off-topic: quotes from his posts online:Dai Kaiju said:
Of course what he tried to do was horrible and stupid but it's sad how brainwashed he was to feel so ashamed about perfectly natural feelings.
ChocolateCupcakes
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dojokun said:
So you are saying that the TSA shouldn't take any measures in helping to insure our protection because it might not work? Of course some people are going to get through that doesn't mean they should just quit and let people walk right in after going through a simple metal detector.
I can't believe this omg their other ways to hijack a plane so the TSA should just piss around with a flawed system.
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