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[Mgoblue201]

Jesus discussed Noah's story as fact not fiction:

“When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes."

We each must make the choice to either believe what Jesus said or believe he was a lunatic who was an expert at lying.

You might find this interesting on your search for truth:

Why the Bible? Ravi Zacharias at the University of Illinois

For two evenings, Ravi Zacharias answers hard-hitting questions from a student-packed auditorium at University of Illinois.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRP0I2SrVs

I might as well respond to this video. This is an argument that sounds good on its surface but is filled with massive assumptions. The first deals with Daniel, which most scholars now agree was written after Alexander the Great had already lived (there is no proof in the old canard that rabbis greeted Alexander at the gate by saying that prophecy had predicted his arrival). There is no proof that it was written earlier, and there are parts of it that apparently contradict actual history.

Second, there is also no contemporary proof outside of the Bible that most of the events of Jesus's life actually happened, and there is no good reason to trust the Bible due to contradictions and obvious stretches of OT verses that in no way actually represented prophecy (once again, the use of Psalm 16 in Acts 2).

Furthermore, if the Bible had all that much predictive power, then it should have been able to forecast modern world events, especially if it's so accurate that it predicted Alexander the Great. And before you bring up the statehood of Israel, the Bible was clearly talking about the Messiah coming down to rule Israel as the kingdom of God for all eternity. Those are slightly different things.

 

[Lucky Forward]

Has anyone pointed out that breeding a stable replacement population with just a single male and female of each animal would be genetically impossible? Anyway, I'll just leave that point here and be on my way.

Even if it were possible, we would see evidence of the population bottleneck in the genes of every animal...

Population bottleneck

A population bottleneck (or genetic bottleneck) is an evolutionary event in which a significant percentage of a population or species is killed or otherwise prevented from reproducing.

Population bottlenecks increase genetic drift, as the rate of drift is inversely proportional to the population size. The reduction in a population's dispersal leads, over time, to increased genetic homogeneity. If severe, population bottlenecks can also markedly increase inbreeding due to the reduced pool of possible mates (see small population size).

Wisent, also called European bison, faced extinction in the early 20th century. The animals living today are all descended from 12 individuals and they have extremely low genetic variation, which may be beginning to affect the reproductive ability of bulls (Luenser et al., 2005). The population of American Bison fell due to overhunting, nearly leading to extinction around the year 1890 and has since begun to recover (see table).

A classic example of a population bottleneck is that of the Northern Elephant Seals, whose population fell to about 30 in the 1890s although it now numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Another example are Cheetahs, which are so closely related to each other that skin grafts from one cheetah to another do not provoke immune responses,[citation needed] thus suggesting an extreme population bottleneck in the past. Another largely bottlenecked species is the Golden Hamster, of which the vast majority are descended from a single litter found in the Syrian desert around 1930.

Saiga Antelope numbers have plummeted more than 95% from about 1 million in 1990 to less than 30,000 in 2004, mainly due to poaching for traditional Chinese medicine.[9]

According to a paper published in 2002, the genome of the Giant Panda shows evidence of a severe bottleneck that took place about 43,000 years ago.[10] There is also evidence of at least one primate species, the Golden Snub-nosed Monkey, that also suffered from a bottleneck around this time scale.

 

[Corwood Rep]

You know, my uneducated belief has always been that the story of Noah was based on a real thing. Some guy probably made a big boat to weather some Mediterranean flood and put some livestock on it and then that shit was embellished as hell.

 

[G_Berry]

You know, my uneducated belief has always been that the story of Noah was based on a real thing. Some guy probably made a big boat to weather some Mediterranean flood and put some livestock on it and then that shit was embellished as hell.

Bingo, just like Jesus right?

 

[Assemble!]

see the pattern?

hillbillies dont count. you cant use the south to make fun of the US. thats like using a disability to make fun of someone

I was born in North Carolina and now I live in Virginia. I don't know where you're from, but you may want to use correct grammar, capitalization, and punctuation before you make an ignorant comment that stereotypes millions of people in one swoop.

 

[freethought]

You know, my uneducated belief has always been that the story of Noah was based on a real thing. Some guy probably made a big boat to weather some Mediterranean flood and put some livestock on it and then that shit was embellished as hell.

I seem to recall reading something that hinted the origin of the flood myth might be the flooding of the Euphrates basin (maybe the Tigris, or possibly the region that lies between them, my Iraqi geography isn't particularly good). It seems sensible to me. A bunch of bronze age illiterates with extremely limited knowledge of a world outside of their own would view what is essentially a local event as the end of the world.

I think the piece I read (could have been a book) postulated that all apocalyptic myths had their origin in what we would consider local events, but to these primitive cultures, it was the end of the world as they knew it. You know, the river basin they live in floods, an earthquake rocks the region, the nearby volcano erupts, tsunamis, hurricanes etc.

 

[RedShift]

 

[jko]

It's fake:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/articl...ice-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208

 

[Count Dookkake]

It's fake:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/articl...ice-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

But seriously, no shit.

 

[Tarazet]

 

[Korey]

You know, my uneducated belief has always been that the story of Noah was based on a real thing. Some guy probably made a big boat to weather some Mediterranean flood and put some livestock on it and then that shit was embellished as hell.

Most of the bible's stories (read: fictional) are based on other ancient stories and tropes.

 

[Fusebox]

It's fake:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/articl...ice-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208

I posted the email they're referring to on the last page if you want to read it.

 

[Jak140]

It's fake:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/articl...ice-now-says-discovery-may-be-a-hoax/19459208

Unbelievable. And there was only a 0.1% chance of it being fake too.

 

[Dead Man]

Unbelievable. And there was only a 0.1% chance of it being fake too.

:lol

 

[3phemeral]

Unbelievable. And there was only a 0.1% chance of it being fake too.

*dies*

:lol

 

[Corky]

Unbelievable. And there was only a 0.1% chance of it being fake too.

kaneapplaud

 

[bosskoss21]

dumb

 

[DrBo42]

From the above linked article:

"My problem is that, in the end, proper analysis may show this to be a hoax and negatively reflect how gullible Christians can be." :lol I'm just going to bite my lip here, but there is so much I want to say.

 

[Billen]

Of course it's fake. The old indian spaceships blasted the ark out of the water.

 

[LCGeek]

Mark the beast time boys it's coming don't believe look at this ratio 830/747 I'm telling ya something is in the air.

 

[Javaman]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this was already mentioned or not... but if Noah's ark was true, wouldn't that make us all descendants of Noah? And if so (assuming the whole of the Earth's population on land was wiped out), where do they assume that the different races came from afterward?? 4000 years or so isn't nearly enough time, as far as I understand it, to allow for the evolution of separate races in their distinct geographical locations. It took man tens, and hundreds of thousands of years just to disperse and diverge into individual locations on the Earth, and into many different races and ethnicities. How the fuck to the evangelicals explain this one away?? O___o

That and every single animal on Earth is inbred.

 

[Puddles]

Damn, I was kinda hoping that this was true.

 

[malingenie]

Sometime I wis I could be as gullible as some of the people here.

Spoiler

oh wait, I don't

 

[soul creator]

I seem to recall reading something that hinted the origin of the flood myth might be the flooding of the Euphrates basin (maybe the Tigris, or possibly the region that lies between them, my Iraqi geography isn't particularly good). It seems sensible to me. A bunch of bronze age illiterates with extremely limited knowledge of a world outside of their own would view what is essentially a local event as the end of the world.

I think the piece I read (could have been a book) postulated that all apocalyptic myths had their origin in what we would consider local events, but to these primitive cultures, it was the end of the world as they knew it. You know, the river basin they live in floods, an earthquake rocks the region, the nearby volcano erupts, tsunamis, hurricanes etc.

I posted this in the Official Religion thread as well, but this kind of touches on that

 

[Veidt]

I posted this in the Official Religion thread as well, but this kind of touches on that

This is very interesting.