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3. System Re-Design. I think the RROD issue still has not been fully addressed. With their consistently poor Customer Service at the repair center, MS needs to drastically change their RROD Recovery strategy. A redesign would offer them a chance to talk about better cooling, improved this, improved that. It would help dispel some of the distaste amongst the retailers and would give their clerks something to promote.

This is one hell of a good idea.

 

[theBishop]

3. System Re-Design.

Yes please. And wireless built-in this time. For the console that supposedly has the best online experience, the hardware is the least connected of the bunch (including handhelds).

 

[gblues]

Since people asked where this GIF came from, I give you:

Kids vs. Dad
Kids vs. Dad 2

Pretty neat video of a dad play-fighting with his kids.

 

[DCharlie]

The repulsion is more of a cumulative effect when you add the risk some perceive now with investing in an X360. The PR damage for RROD has not been undone and the horror stories that are casually discussed by the clerks at stores at Best Buy about customers who are on their 3rd, 4th, 5th system are not going away.

I agree that $60 doesn't seem like a lot when you consider the overall price of admission, but for $459.98, a person can buy a PS3 and Madden 09 right now and take it home and play it online. For $329.98 a person can buy an arcade unit and Madden 09, but add to that, $49.99, and you are up to $379.98. Cheaper, but upon further review, you might want a hard drive or perhaps wireless support for your router. If you buy the new 60GB X360, Madden, and Live, you are at $459.97.

Now, if the clerk has told you about the probems people have had with X360 and this puts a little doubt in your head, and you add to that tally the price of a wireless adapter and the annual renewal fee of Live, and then you consider you get Blu-ray on PS3, the value at point-of-sale goes up significantly for PS3. This is where a lot of people who have yet to buy a PS3 or an X360 are right now. There are plenty of groups of friends out there who are trying to decide which system to go with and at least among my small circle, the PS3 is the current leader.

and yet with this massive nightmare scenario that everyone faces when buying an X360, running the guantlet of sales staff, in the face of the value of point-of-sale, the groups of friends deciding to go with the PS3, and a minimal cost advantage the X360 is being outsold by the PS3 by only 20k, and only 5-6m ahead in total sales

I don't actually know what it is , could be the games line up or something? not sure.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I'm glad he would. God of War is a huge franchise, sure, but it's closer to the Jak/R&C mid-level--2-4 million rather than say 5-10 million. I'm not dismissing GoW by any means, but bigger franchises have come and gone on the PS3 so far.

In the US, GoW 1 sold less than Jak and Daxter: Precursor Legacy but more than Jak 2 or 3 and less than half of what GT3 sold and 500k less than what GT4 sold. My figures (accurate to as of when NPD killed leaks; all publicly available data from GAF and elsewhere, no private source) have GoW somewhere from the 30th to 40th best-selling title in the US on PS2.

GoW2 did around 1 million between the first two months of sales and has probably outsold the first in the long term, although I don't have much data on that one.

There's also Twisted Metal. I know what you're saying about Sony running out of 'mega-hits' but SW sales numbers don't always neatly correspond to HW sales. GoW and Twisted Metal carry a lot of brand power (TM is Sony's longest-running franchise) and they flush out the PS3 library nicely. IIRC GoW:Chains of Olympus gave the PSP a nice boost too.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

and yet with this massive nightmare scenario that everyone faces when buying an X360, running the guantlet of sales staff, in the face of the value of point-of-sale, the groups of friends deciding to go with the PS3, and a minimal cost advantage the X360 is being outsold by the PS3 by only 20k, and only 5-6m ahead in total sales

I don't actually know what it is , could be the games line up or something? not sure.

Also, I do think my previous post on exclusive online experiences is massively significant to many of the topics at hand in this thread, but as has often been the case in like the dozen or so threads I've made the same point in, it is quickly overlooked for more controversial pastures.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Maybe I'm the weird one for being more concerned whether The Dark Knight is a good movie than if it outsells Spiderman 3.

I like how after claiming that this is unique to gaming and being proven wrong (with a half-dozen examples spanning multiple industries, including one that disproves your awesome example of no one caring about album sales when in reality people do), rather than choosing to admit your error you've just moved on to "Fine well it's all stupid". Great. You find it stupid. STAY OUT OF THESE THREADS Every single industry. has enthusiasts who discuss the performance of that industry.

Most of us possess the amazing ability to analyze both sales and game quality separately and choose to do so. If you don't and you find thinking about the business end of the industry prevents you from being able to enjoy a game, stay out of here.

I don't know how many times I can say it. I see you in every single sales thread, and your contributions consist almost entirely of complaining about people posting about sales. It's unbelievable. Normally getting a negative custom title pointing out how stupid your gimmick is at least slows a poster down, but with you it's like it's a badge of honour that you don't have the clarity of mind or self-control to not click on threads you know you don't like and shit them up.

There's also Twisted Metal. I know what you're saying about Sony running out of 'mega-hits' but SW sales numbers don't always neatly correspond to HW sales. GoW and Twisted Metal carry a lot of brand power (TM is Sony's longest-running franchise) and they flush out the PS3 library nicely. IIRC GoW:Chains of Olympus gave the PSP a nice boost too.

I agree that these are solid titles that will move solid numbers, in the millions. But they're not any bigger than many of the titles that have already either flopped or succeeded on the PS3. The game-changers from last gen have been dealt-out at this point.

It's all about creating compelling new exclusives and maximizing old franchises that have already been well defined. Both companies have demonstrated an ability to do this.

The only way you can look at the existing and upcoming last-gen-IP situation and say "Oh man Sony is going to win" is if you absolutely maximize all of Sony's last gen IP and absolutely minimize everything that's got multiplatform. I don't think that's a reasonable analysis.

 

[Meier]

Blu-ray adoption will only increase, many PS2 franchises are still yet to appear on PS3

I'm not so sure about Blu-Ray any more. It had a period where it was kind of a golden child but it seems like that might be over. Unless they significantly decrease their prices, I can't imagine them competing with DVD any time soon.

I disagree with the concept that any major PS2 franchises not yet appearing on the PS3 will cause any significant difference. What's left (outside of FFXIII of course which will sell better on the 360)? Jak and Daxter? Ratchet's relative failure makes me think it won't be hugely successful. Are there any others? Buzz? A non-issue in America. GT? To Joe Schmoe, GT5 Prologue was a regular game and it obviously did nothing to help sales.

 

[soldat7]

What's with journalists and this game Flower? It looks so stupid.

Flower looks amazing. One of my most anticipated PSN titles.

 

[Eric Hall]

There's also Twisted Metal. I know what you're saying about Sony running out of 'mega-hits' but SW sales numbers don't always neatly correspond to HW sales. GoW and Twisted Metal carry a lot of brand power (TM is Sony's longest-running franchise) and they flush out the PS3 library nicely. IIRC GoW:Chains of Olympus gave the PSP a nice boost too.

I don't think Twisted Metal has that much brand power now. How long has it been since Black came out? 7 Years? I don't know if it will carry the same appeal it once had

Also, I still fail to see why people think LittleBigPlanet is going to be such a huge seller. I agree that it looks really good, but I doubt it will sell as well as other big name PS3 games. It's a casual game on a system that is not casual at all.

 

[Ramenman]

I can listen to my whole music library on my PSP (It's a huge library, 60+ gigs) at work via remote play. That is pretty f'n awesome.

I didn't say it wasn't, but if you had only one of the two consoles required, would you buy the other one just for that ?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I like how after claiming that this is unique to gaming and being proven wrong (with a half-dozen examples spanning multiple industries, including one that disproves your awesome example of no one caring about album sales when in reality people do), rather than choosing to admit your error you've just moved on to "Fine well it's all stupid". Great. You find it stupid. STAY OUT OF THESE THREADS Every single industry. has enthusiasts who discuss the performance of that industry.

Most of us possess the amazing ability to analyze both sales and game quality separately and choose to do so. If you don't and you find thinking about the business end of the industry prevents you from being able to enjoy a game, stay out of here.

I don't know how many times I can say it. I see you in every single sales thread, and your contributions consist almost entirely of complaining about people posting about sales. It's unbelievable. Normally getting a negative custom title pointing out how stupid your gimmick is at least slows a poster down, but with you it's like it's a badge of honour that you don't have the clarity of mind or self-control to not click on threads you know you don't like and shit them up.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

The problem is, these games are still on the PlayStation 3, and Microsoft isn't offering much in the way of improvements to these titles.

Pretty much the sing song for multiplatform titles for the past ten years. Xbox and Gamecube multiplat titles often looked better on the competition instead of the PS2, and in terms fo the Xbox, had a stronger online component. Didn't hurt Sony.

What else does Microsoft have in the way of exclusives? Halo is a system-seller, sure, but Metal Gear Solid IV is still a PS3 exclusive.

Halo 3 also sold more consoles and more copies than MGS4, so I don't see where MGS4 has any impact.

Xbox Live is a great service, but it's not clear that all of its features are needed. While the hardcore complain about Nintendo's friend codes, most mainstream gamers are more than willing to put up with them. And Microsoft's competitors aren't standing still; Home could be the silver bullet that finally gives Sony the edge in online play. The PS3 has one of the most anticipated casual games ever with LittleBigPlanet, and the branding of Sackboy is already amazingly strong.

What features aren't needed?

Online gaming. Achievements spure game sales. Movie rentals. Messaging.

So, what you're saying is, wait for Home? No thanks. I've heard that song and dance before, basically right around the time the PS3 came out.

Add idiosyncratic games, such as Flower, that are coming to the PS3 and Nintendo's absolute dominance of the casual market, and you have a gaming world where cherry-picking old franchises is no longer enough. Gears of War 2 looks great, but Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 look just as good in terms of scale, graphics, and online play.

What about the idiosycratic games on the 360? Wasn't the whole world set on fire by Braid just last week? What about Geo Wars 2? Galaga Legions? PacMan CE? Why look over these? Because it makes the overall point less of an impact.

So, Halo and Gears of War have similar competition on a competing console. How is MS teh doomed?

The new Viva Pinata game looks good, but that was a game that didn't set the world on fire with its first iteration.

Sold over a million copies and spun off to a kids TV show.

Microsoft has spent so much time trying to match Sony's past glory in terms of game selection that it finds itself somewhat at a loss now that Sony has managed to keep some games as exclusives, at the same time it's developing all news ones.

That's probably because the PS2's game selection is what made it such a popular console. Having a wide range of games on your system, along with exclusives, is key.

MS is at a loss now that Sony has managed to keep some games as exclusives? What games? Any third party or are we talking about first party, and Sony funded development?

The new firmware update that will refresh the UI of the 360 looks strong, but the press gave it a scarily icy reception at E3; the full-scale plagiarism of the concept and design of the Nintendo Mii had many onlookers audibly laughing. It was not a comfortable moment.

I imagine it's a similar situation to how everyone reacts to Sony's Second Life rip off, but the author's critical eye again ignores this.

Will Halo be enough in the future? With Bungie now independent, that's a very large, very open question.

Halo exists without Bungie, so it doesn't matter.

It's time for Microsoft to find its own voice and give itself a unique feel in the market. Its old tricks and the "first to launch" advantage isn't enough anymore. Find a home in the world

It has. There are plenty of 360 exclusives, downloadable or store shelf, that keep me coming back to the 360. Better online components to boot.

but Europe has to be seen as a major battleground.

I believe Europe, and the way it leans when it comes to games, is the exact reason Halo Wars went into development. When the first vids for it were shown off it was explicitly stated that it was created to appeal to the largely PC centric EU gamers who tend to follow RTS games.

Whether or not Microsoft has fixed its Red Ring of Death problem,

Whether or not? It's largely fixed.

the fact remains that most gamers think the hardware is untrustworthy.

I blame the internet. The 360's failure rate is similar to the PS2's failure rate. Unlike Sony, MS offered to repair the busted 360s.

And let's not forget that Star Ocean 3 didn't even work on some versions of the PS2, and Sony wouldn't even address the issue.

The PlayStation, on the other hand, is damn near rock-solid.

Maybe the PS3, but it has it's share of problems. Fact remains, the PS2 was unreliable. DVD drives constantly failed. Same thing with the PSX. The internet makes the issue larger.

As anecdotal as it is, I imagine for every person I know to have had to send their 360 back to MS, free of charge, I know someone who has had to buy a new PS2. This was back before the price drop.

Sony's newly-launched in-game XMB adds a ton of functionality, and the Trophies it brings seem to be gaining popularity;

Okay. We pay for service and got this three years ago. It's just now coming to your free service, and may even have to be patched into games that were about to go Gold.

How is this a win?

The PSP-PS3 connection gives you so much cool functionality that it makes consumers want to own both for a great media experience. Microsoft has no competition for that at the moment.

I have a PSP and couldn't give a fuck about the PS3. Don't speak for all gamers.

How should Microsoft fix these issues?

What issues? So far, you've brought up Sony's first party development and the fact that they have a free, but out dated, online service.

What's clear is that the competition is now much stronger across the board, and that's a good thing for gamers.

True.

But I think we need to bring up some real issues here.

Live should be free. The fiasco with the CoD4 and Halo 3 launch proved that the money we use isn't going any where.

MS needs to work on advertising, price drops, bundles, and incentives to buy. They need to show off why their console is better. They did this with GTA4 and the downloadable content, but that's as far as I've seen it go.

MS is wide open to criticisms, but jesus is this a one sided article.

Is it time yet guys??

 

[DenogginizerOS]

and yet with this massive nightmare scenario that everyone faces when buying an X360, running the guantlet of sales staff, in the face of the value of point-of-sale, the groups of friends deciding to go with the PS3, and a minimal cost advantage the X360 is being outsold by the PS3 by only 20k, and only 5-6m ahead in total sales

I don't actually know what it is , could be the games line up or something? not sure.

It is the price. Whether you are buying a PS3 or an X360, the current price points are pretty much exhausted. Unless they can attach value to these prices and give consumers more, I think we will see small victories in sales from month to month and only after a significant price reduction will things become clear as to what is really making people decide this generation.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

Unless their friends are all playing on 360s...

When I got my PS3, all of my friends were on 360s and Live... they all tried to get me onto Live with them but I went for the PS3 any way for reasons that are irrelevant to this thread. They dogged my decision heartily for a long time.

A year later, all of these folks have already or are in the process of getting PS3s. Anecdotal but this is pretty telling.

 

[Bulla564]

No. Your point was that the 360 has passed its peak and is slowing down. My point is that ALL SYSTEMS peak around years 3-4.

I can agree to this. The article is referring to the 360 slowing down, and the PS3 picking up speed.

Yeah, I'd agree with those dates. I just don't think that's a whole lot of leverage and past that point it'll be none at all. I also think it's incredibly wrong to assume a) that PS2 owners will get HDTVs during this period or b) that people buying HDTVs will necessarily jump in on Blu-Ray immediately.

TV going digital in 2009, and HDTVs further dropping in price will make a lot more people jump in, and would it be safe to assume that gamers that bought an HDTV will be looking to get an HD console? How about the one HD console that also plays HD movies?

Sony has Resistance and Uncharted as their two standout new franchises this gen; MSFT has Gears, Mass Effect (notwithstanding EA acquisition issues), Viva Pinata. I'm not trying to minimize Sony here, I'm saying you're trying to minimize MSFT.

I'm not minimizing it, but when compared to Sony, MS seems to be relying too much on tried and true formulas. Even developers comment on the "freedom" that Sony gives them to pursue new ideas.

And Team ICO? Shadow of the Colossus is at around 750k in the US, Ico is <200k. Great, outstanding games, but not anything even relevant in terms of an outlook kind of thing. Lost Odyssey outsold ICO. Is MSFT supposed to be in a good position because they've still got Cry On to rock the world with?

A Team ICO game is an example of a PS2 franchise that A LOT of people are looking forward to. It is something the PS3 has in favour of it, and the 360 lacks.

Well I can see how an individual person might feel like that, but in terms of looking at it from a market perspective which this article pretends to do, the PC is a non-issue. If anything, the similarities in software and approach between PC/XBX and PC/X360 have spurred a shift of PC-centric gamers and game genres to the console world, rather than a lessened momentum by the Xbox.

Don't you think those PC centric gamers will think twice before getting Fallout 3 on the 360 over the PC? or might not choose to wait for Fable 2 and even Gears 2 on PC? Mass Effect 2? Alan Wake? I would like to know how much of a non-issue the PC was for the Xbox1.

Like I said, I'm not minimizing or arguing against Sony here, but the article basically turns a blind eye to all roadblocks in Sony's path, and then claims the absolute worst case scenario for all roadblocks in Microsoft's path, and that's what you're doing here as well in terms of your outlook on Sony and MSFT's software future and hardware lifespans.

The roadblock in Sony's path is the price of the console. The roadblock in MS's path is a tarnished image of RRODs, paying for Live, and future exclusives surpassing what is expected from Sony into 2009. One is easier to fix or counter with, than the other.

 

[zeloe326]

I didn't say it wasn't, but if you had only one of the two consoles required, would you buy the other one just for that ?

I would. Why? Because I owned a PSP before both next gen consoles. Therefore, when I heard this level of connectivity was available between PSP and the PS3, it became the obvious choice for me.

 

[theBishop]

I like how after claiming that this is unique to gaming and being proven wrong (with a half-dozen examples spanning multiple industries, including one that disproves your awesome example of no one caring about album sales when in reality people do), rather than choosing to admit your error you've just moved on to "Fine well it's all stupid". Great. You find it stupid. STAY OUT OF THESE THREADS Every single industry. has enthusiasts who discuss the performance of that industry.

I responded to this point. You and I have a different view of what role GAF plays (or should play) with respect to the examples you mentioned.

Most of us possess the amazing ability to analyze both sales and game quality separately and choose to do so. If you don't and you find thinking about the business end of the industry prevents you from being able to enjoy a game, stay out of here.

"Choose to do so" so that you can play Systemwars on a forum that is generally more strict about that sort of thing than other sites. Its bullshit.

I don't know how many times I can say it. I see you in every single sales thread, and your contributions consist almost entirely of complaining about people posting about sales. It's unbelievable.

"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."

 

[Haunted]

I am quite pleased with the fact that most of the posters in here are able to dismiss this shitty article outright. All hope is not lost for GAF.

I like how after claiming that this is unique to gaming and being proven wrong (with a half-dozen examples spanning multiple industries, including one that disproves your awesome example of no one caring about album sales when in reality people do), rather than choosing to admit your error you've just moved on to "Fine well it's all stupid". Great. You find it stupid. STAY OUT OF THESE THREADS Every single industry. has enthusiasts who discuss the performance of that industry.

Most of us possess the amazing ability to analyze both sales and game quality separately and choose to do so. If you don't and you find thinking about the business end of the industry prevents you from being able to enjoy a game, stay out of here.

I don't know how many times I can say it. I see you in every single sales thread, and your contributions consist almost entirely of complaining about people posting about sales. It's unbelievable. Normally getting a negative custom title pointing out how stupid your gimmick is at least slows a poster down, but with you it's like it's a badge of honour that you don't have the clarity of mind or self-control to not click on threads you know you don't like and shit them up.

damn! That's what I call a smackdown. Rare to see you so riled up.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

I'm not minimizing it, but when compared to Sony, MS seems to be relying too much on tried and true formulas. Even developers comment on the "freedom" that Sony gives them to pursue new ideas.

What does this mean?

I haven't seen many new ideas that don't have an equal representation on the 360.

I'm not minimizing it, but when compared to Sony, MS seems to be relying too much on tried and true formulas. Even developers comment on the "freedom" that Sony gives them to pursue new ideas.

I can afford it. I just don't care for it, and I know plenty in the same boat. I look at the PS3, can pick out one or two titles that I do want, but don't justify the price. Everything else has a game of equal value on the 360.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Stump, don't waste your breath.

Bishop's constant posting decrying sales threads is his purgatory for being embarrassed horribly for the time that he got called out on his bullshit sales thread. He's gotta stick to his shtick after all.

Wow, Kaz really lost a good deal of weight. Good for him.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I am quite pleased with the fact that most of the posters in here are able to dismiss this shitty article outright. All hope is not lost for GAF.

I suppose some of us read it as an editorial and since that is a reflection of one person's opinion, I tend to not just dismiss what people say if I disagree; I try to offer counter-points and discussion rather than insults.

 

[Bulla564]

What does this mean?

I haven't seen many new ideas that don't have an equal representation on the 360.
.

You are not looking then...

 

[theBishop]

Bishop's constant posting decrying sales threads is his purgatory for being embarrassed horribly for the time that he did it. He's gotta stick to his shtick after all.

:lol The only point I was trying to make in that thread is that Blake Snow is a moron. Its the sales-age obsession that turned that thread to the dark side.

Since you mentioned it, that thread isn't all that different from this thread if you swap out the 360 fanboys for Nintendo. I bet the OP doesn't get a tag.

 

[Pureauthor]

I responded to this point. You and I have a different view of what role GAF plays (or should play) with respect to the examples you mentioned.

Great. You think GAF should operate differently and have less (or no) sales threads.

We don't. The status quo is unlikely to change anytime soon. And your entering these threads to whine changes nothing.

So why do it?

"Choose to do so" so that you can play Systemwars on a forum that is generally more strict about that sort of thing than other sites. Its bullshit.

Oh ho ho ho, so it's about 'System Wars' now and not Sales-Age, huh? It's precisely because this forum is more strict about most sites that I'd gladly choose Sales-Age debate here (the other forum I frequent for this has the members generally laid back enough that no one really tries to start shit.) I like it here. You don't. So stay out. It's a simple dynamic.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I responded to this point. You and I have a different view of what role GAF plays (or should play) with respect to the examples you mentioned.

I guess if you're desperate to intellectualize your contributions to this thread, you might phrase it like that. The reality is you stomped in here, whined about people discussing the markets, whined that no other industry cares about sales (BZZT!), goalpost shifted to "well fine but that's not the role GAF should play", all the while ignoring that independent of whatever meta-discussion you want to have about the role of GAF, YOU TROLL SALES THREADS

"Choose to do so" so that you can play Systemwars on a forum that is generally more strict about that sort of thing than other sites. Its bullshit.

It doesn't take a ten year old's superior intellect to go through a sales discussion thread and differentiate those who have a real interest in discussion the dynamics of the market, and those who cloak their commodity fetishism in such an interest, and between all of the people having a discussion in this thread and you, we're not the ones with the negative tag damning us with the exact charge you're leveling.

What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to systematically whine and complain about others having an interest in something and marginalize them by claiming they're frauds, when you're the one with the institutional reputation?

 

[theBishop]

Great. You think GAF should operate differently and have less (or no) sales threads.

We don't. The status quo is unlikely to change anytime soon. And your entering these threads to whine changes nothing.

So why do it?

I think GAF should be a Gaming Discussion forum. You guys are trying to turn it into Entertainment Weekly.

 

[Pureauthor]

I think GAF should be a Gaming Discussion forum. You guys are trying to turn it into Entertainment Weekly.

Yes, we've established that. We've also established that it is unlikely to happen, that if it does happen your whining is going to have absolutely nothing to do with it, and that your presence here serves only to annoy people.

So, once again, why do it?

 

[theBishop]

Yes, we've established that. We've also established that it is unlikely to happen, that if it does happen your whining is going to have absolutely nothing to do with it, and that your presence here serves only to annoy people.

So, once again, why do it?

Because I'm killing time between compiles. And I'd like that time to be more interesting.

 

[Meier]

A Team ICO game is an example of a PS2 franchise that A LOT of people are looking forward to. It is something the PS3 has in favour of it, and the 360 lacks.

There are a lot more people looking forward to Fable 2 than a new Ico game. MS saw a number of succesful games on the regular Xbox that they've turned their back on to a certain extent. I would love a new Crimson Skies -- I'm not sure what number the original sold, but I know it must have done a X00,000. They could even offer a free download code for the original from XBL (this is something they should consider doing more of... make the benefit of downloadable XB games a more tangible feature).

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I think the usage of the NeoGAF Private Message service may be a big help to this thread.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I think the usage of the NeoGAF Private Message service may be a big help to this thread.

I think the use of a nuclear weapon fired from orbit would be an even bigger help.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

9^9 pages incoming.

fixed.

 

[Pureauthor]

I think the use of a nuclear weapon fired from orbit would be an even bigger help.

We'd have one on hand if you hadn't blown it up.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Because I'm killing time between compiles. And I'd like that time to be more interesting.

So you're bitching for fuck's sake then? Good to know.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

We'd have one on hand if you hadn't blown it up.

In retrospect I really should have let it hit SEGA HQ.

 

[Raistlin]

I was just thinking this. Did the battle for second place command this much attention in the ps2/gc/xbox era?

Was there a 2nd or 3rd place during that era?

pretty much this.

Unlike last gen, there appears to be room for a strong second place




As for the article, wow 0_o. Some valid points, but mixed with way to many hypocritical statements.

I'm really confused this came from ars though. The Sony hate has been so strong from them until now.

 

[duk]

i just woke up to read this thread, the very funny

 

[soldat7]

When I got my PS3, all of my friends were on 360s and Live... they all tried to get me onto Live with them but I went for the PS3 any way for reasons that are irrelevant to this thread. They dogged my decision heartily for a long time.

A year later, all of these folks have already or are in the process of getting PS3s. Anecdotal but this is pretty telling.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence: conclusions may vary. Many of my friends are swapping out their PS360s for upgraded PCs, but I would have a hard time arguing that this is a sign of the PCs resurgence.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence: conclusions may vary. Many of my friends are swapping out their PS360s for upgraded PCs, but I would have a hard time arguing that this is a sign of the PCs resurgence.

A lot of it has to do with the Alpha Gamer in the group too. As the AG in mine, I only have a 360 so all my friends jumping in now are skewing towards that so we can all play together.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

A lot of it has to do with the Alpha Gamer in the group too. As the AG in mine, I only have a 360 so all my friends jumping in now are skewing towards that so we can all play together.

That's true. As I'm the Alpha gamer in my group of friends, we all have Wii's.

In fact, a friend of mine was screaming at me because he felt guilty for getting a 360 when I encouraged him to do it.

 

[DemonSwordsman]

all of you that think sales age is import should DIE DIE DIE or BURN.

 

[Skiptastic]

In retrospect I really should have let it hit SEGA HQ.

:lol I love you, Segata. <3

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

all of you that think sales age is import should DIE DIE DIE or BURN.

Wishing death on people is mean, guy.

Now I'm sad, guy.

 

[ChackanKun]

Okay. We pay for service and got this three years ago. It's just now coming to your free service, and may even have to be patched into games that were about to go Gold.

How is this a win?

The "free" word rings me a bell.

 

[Darkman M]

Wishing death on people is mean, guy.

Now I'm sad, guy.

 

[kobashi100]

funny how he avoids the fact PS3 is selling less then 10,000 per week in Japan but swerves it with PSP is topping the charts..

 

[JB1981]

Man ... I'm off work today and all I can say is: I'm glad I miss most of this shit during the week.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I blame the internet. The 360's failure rate is similar to the PS2's failure rate. Unlike Sony, MS offered to repair the busted 360s.

This isn't quite true. Sony was repairing the PS2's with DRE for a certain time. When they were in the middle of settling out of court for the class action lawsuit against them for faulty hardware, they were repairing all PS2 systems free of charge. It just wasn't advertised.

Once, Sony settled the class action lawsuit over the PS2 then they started charging for repairs again. Sony is very lucky when this was happening that the internet wasn't what it is today.

 

[Haunted]

all of you that think sales age is import should DIE DIE DIE or BURN.

Shenmue III says STFU.

;_;