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If it doesn't I quickly hear about it from the customer directly. And the product doesn't need any more work from the customer to reach its full potential or to even work in the first place. They also actually get something for their money.
Network marketing is selling empty promises for your own benefit. Having people chasing a carrot on a perpetually moving stick in the hopes of earning big bucks, when in reality they're simply lining someone's pockets who is WAY higher in the chain than they could ever hope to be.
Again, it isn't even remotely the same thing.


I think our interpretation of sales is different. The sales companies I've worked for, nobody knows about your product, doesn't need your product or even want your product. Door to door, event site, telemarketing. I've never been in a sales role where someone actually wanted the product, I had to pitch it to them and explain why they needed it.

Basically cheating people into buying products that cost near to nothing to make at a premium price but making them believe its worth that price and that they need it now!

I don't really consider any sales jobs that has the customer coming in for a particular product and the sales person upselling as sales. Thats so easy to do.

How does your view account for discounts? Or repeat customers?

As the bottom of the bottom, a sales person, I was allowed to give discounts that took out of my commission. The bottom of the pyramid always gets screwed over.

Repeat customers is not really an issue. The products I sold in these pyramid schemes were legit, they worked, they were just incredibly overpriced.
 
This all sounds incredibly American.

this is not an American thing, it exists all over the world. I'm a Finn and I've been exposed to it, I have a few friends with whom I used to attend MLM sales events just for the hell of it. They really have hilarious over the top sales pitches but at the same time create an unnerving cult-like environment where everyone's invested in the scheme. They really are a wonderland for people interested in social psychology.

I really don't mind normal people involved in MLM schemes and such when they're like my mother's friend's daughter who just sold few products here and there on the side, never pushed anyone to join the scheme and eventually dropped out. But every now and then these things can become a bit intrusive, like when a guy I know tried to get his father, who had been diagnosed with a heart disease, involved in a pyramide vitamin/food supplement scheme because it's scientific and good for you or something.
 
Finn here too an I knew a guy who got involved in one these. I think they were selling some sort of soap. I listened to his pitch and told him that it's not for me, but call me when you get to be a millionaire. Maybe six months later there were news stories that it was shut down.

I went to a spa weekend for two in Holiday Club though as the offer was for 50e for the whole deal. The catch was that you had to go listen a sales pitch for a holiday share or pay the full price. They only tried with me for 15 minutes as they saw I wasn't going to buy anything, but some people were grilled for hours. Kept thinking of the South Park episode and just smiled as they told me how wonderful their life is with amazing holidays around the world.
 
I have a friend really into Arbonne. It's awful. She drinks the Kool-aid hard.

She talks about her Arbonne family. It's almost creepy. She talks about being her own boss blah blah, then there's always a "ask me how to get involved"

I had a friend try to get involved with Melaluca oils. Basically some all natural cleaning supplies junk. I felt bad so I offered to buy some crap, but in order to even buy anything you need to join this club and buy $50 a month.

Ridiculous.

Then again, I did work for New York Life for 9 months. These financial service companies are essentially well disguised pyramid schemes. They pay no salary, and want you to sign up family and friends for insurance. Admittedly it is a much more valuable tool than all MLM products.
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.

Lol. You are brainwashed and naive.
 
I feel ya, OP. I have an old Staff Sergeant who got absolutely ripped and now pretty much posts gym photos or HerbaLife propaganda constantly.

But, it's still nowhere near as another guy I know who only posts ACN bullshit. His wall is the very definition of Autofellatio. All quotes from entrepreneurs (and himself! - "Don't complain. Change."), photos from the recent meeting where they all got fired up, and hashtags out the wazoo:
#changingthegame
#goingNumber1 - which is hilarious
#ThingsAreHappeningInVA
#YoureMissingOut
#StopWaiting
etc.

And of course this stuff - which my wife loves (/s), as she grew up poor.
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It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.

How much money have you made.
 
I have one of these, dude cannot make a single post without tagging some herbalife shit in there somewhere. Constantly posting about whatever Herbalife shit he's drinking and making overhyped statements about how he's ready to fuck the face off of a cliff with his raging hard-on for these products.

What's sad is that he gets more response than someone like me who counts on social media to spread their work and isn't just shilling snake oil.
I like this.
 
My friend, who I'd consider to be pretty street-smart, got suckered into the whole MGM-kinda thing.

I was legitimately surprised when he got defensive after I pointed it out...

I just want to point out that this "defensive" thing is very common and I think presents a keen insight in to how the human mind works.

That is, when people are taken in even by clear scams, they tend to defend the scam artist even once the veil is lifted and everyone can tell it's a scam. It's a testament to how difficult it is for the human psyche to admit it's wrong, to admit they're the sucker, to admit they've been duped. Having seen very intelligent people suffer from this effect, I do not put myself above it.
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.

Lol. You are brainwashed and naive.


In another thread about Herbalife being investigated by the FTC... someone posted an old blog investigation about all the work from home signs being tied to the same company. In this investigation the author did point out that it was pretty much a pyramid scheme that worked so well that the supplier (Herbalife) pretty much took advantage of the work at home make lots of money myth that people sometimes fall victim to and flooded the market with sellers all over the world.

How can someone make money selling this product if everyone and their mom sells it?
 
I had a high level director at my workplace take interest in me and wanted to take me under his wings to advance my career. I welcomed this "mentorship" of sorts. Then he told me he had a great opportunity for me and that I need to contact his self-made millionaire friend who would be willing to help me find a better career path. I got his name and number, thinking I just hit the networking jackpot. Go to linkedin to look up this guy. And he's the head guy of a pyramid scheme exactly like Herbalife. I no longer talk to this guy and feel abused. Did he think I'm a gullible dumb twat? I guess I'll never know.
 
I had a high level director at my workplace take interest in me and wanted to take me under his wings to advance my career. I welcomed this "mentorship" of sorts. Then he told me he had a great opportunity for me and that I need to contact his self-made millionaire friend who would be willing to help me find a better career path. I got his name and number, thinking I just hit the networking jackpot. Go to linkedin to look up this guy. And he's the head guy of a pyramid scheme exactly like Herbalife. I no longer talk to this guy and feel abused. Did he think I'm a gullible dumb twat? I guess I'll never know.

He saw you as a cog that needed to be placed in the great pyramid scheme machine to make him monies... Gotta collect those cogs to be making that cash flow.
 
I just want to point out that this "defensive" thing is very common and I think presents a keen insight in to how the human mind works.

That is, when people are taken in even by clear scams, they tend to defend the scam artist even once the veil is lifted and everyone can tell it's a scam. It's a testament to how difficult it is for the human psyche to admit it's wrong, to admit they're the sucker, to admit they've been duped. Having seen very intelligent people suffer from this effect, I do not put myself above it.

Herbalife's scam is awesome, because people confuse the results of dieting/the program with it being a legit. You'll always notice the gains used as a defense against the pyramid scheme argument, almost to say, so what if it is, the results are real! #believe. Im happy for people bettering themselves. But in los angeles, and probably a lot of places, it seems to take advantage of immigrants/undocumented workers. Thats where the bee goes, into my bonnet.
 
My highschool friend that I kinda lost contact with (but not before friended him on Facebook) became kinda successful motivational speaker. What used to be his friendly Facebook page become 24/7 marketing vehicle full of "Don't miss! Special offer 25% off! Let go POWER UP in Tokyo!" or "Reserve your seat! 3 days seminar in Phuket!"
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.

Herbalife is definitely multi level marketing, selling a b.s. product for substantially more than competing b.s. products. Whether or not that constitutes an illegal pyramid scheme is still up for debate - if it can be proven (and many people are insisting it can be) that herbalife obtains more money from recruiting than selling products, than it is illegal.

What obfuscates this data is the inflated price of herbalife products. To keep working as a rep you need to purchase x*repLevel worth of goods per month, which hides the fact that the commodity is people, not the products - it just looks like products are the main commodity.
 
Herbalife is definitely multi level marketing, selling a b.s. product for substantially more than competing b.s. products. Whether or not that constitutes an illegal pyramid scheme is still up for debate - if it can be proven (and many people are insisting it can be) that herbalife obtains more money from recruiting than selling products, than it is illegal.

What obfuscates this data is the inflated price of herbalife products. To keep working as a rep you need to purchase x*repLevel worth of goods per month, which hides the fact that the commodity is people, not the products - it just looks like products are the main commodity.

na brah u just uneducated
 
I was dating a woman that was talking about "doing her exercise challenges" for the day. I say "oh you work out, so do I, what gym do you go to?"

and it basically is this little facebook cult of her buying a bunch of shit that her facebook "coach" tells her to buy, then they're supposed to work out and share the results.

I guess this would be fine if she actually worked out, but the "coach" was constantly messaging her about buying her Shakeology and Beachbody DVDs and whatever other shit she was trying to sell. Just a distributor. Probably can't do 5 pushups.

The woman I was dating was just buying it up. P90X3 came out and she just dropped $300 on it because that's what her coach told her to do despite the fact that she definitely wasn't going to do any of it.

My basic vibe was "umm you realize this is just some marketing stuff and you could just work out without this shit right?" and she seemed miffed by that.

I broke up with her.



I do actual web marketing selling product to businesses and the social media cult pyramid shit annoys me to no end.
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.


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is this a stealth herbalife recruiting thread.

Before this thread I never even heard of herbalife.
 
It's a pyramid scheme because that's what the media and other uneducated people will tell you and so we all believe it. I myself have gotten great results on Herbalife and so have the people I've also turned the products on to. They are happy and are enjoy the shakes and everything else and that means a lot more to me than the money. Like everything with building a business it will take hard work to make some money.

Herbalife has been in business for 34 years and in 94 countries around the world so if they were doing something dishonest or illegal, they probably would have been brought down long ago.

Haha, these are like word for word the standard evasions and defenses for MLMs. #WakeUpNow

Let's go bit by bit:
"It's just the media and uneducated people telling you this" - no, typically it's experience with other MLMs. Once you've seen a few and know how they generally work, it's pretty easy to spot them. You didn't use one of the other standard defenses, that this isn't really a pyramid scheme because blah blah the legal definition of pyramid scheme. But I'll throw in my response to that one free of charge: colloquially, the phrase refers to a business model where you keep bringing in new people at the bottom and filtering money upwards, by essentially promising the people at the bottom that they're going to make a lot of money once they start bringing in people below them in the pyramid. That's how all of these MLM companies work.

"I've gotten great results and so have other people" - sure, it's entirely possible that the products you're selling in your MLM are decent and work as advertised, it's just that they're guaranteed to be overpriced. They have to be, to support the monstrosity that is the pyramid structure of the organization. If the product was actually great and reasonably priced, they wouldn't need to have this ridiculous pyramid, they'd just, you know, sell it like normal people.

"Like any business it takes hard work" - yes, if you actually started your own business it would be hard work, much like how making any money on the bottom rungs of an MLM is hard work. One key difference is that if you started your own business, you wouldn't be funneling money upwards to other people. Another is that starting your own business doesn't typically result in you burning your entire friend list and becoming a cult evangelist on Facebook.

"They've been in business so long!" or "Donald Trump supports it, it can't be bad!" - MLM companies are usually carefully structured so as to get around minor legal problems like, you know, essentially being pyramid schemes. Just because they've been around for a while doesn't mean they're not bad. Amway/Quixtar has been around a while too.

Anyway. From my experience with friends and family falling into this, it'll probably be a while before you realize that you're not making money, that most other people who seem to be making money aren't either, that there's really nothing special about the product, and then finally bail. Just remember that, at that future date, it's ok to admit that you made a mistake! We all fall for this kind of thing at one time or another. And if you look back on the things you said and thought during the time you were in the program and cringe, then hold that feeling close--you won't fall for one of these things again.
 
Is this the same stuff as that Vemma crap? I constantly see people posting on FB about it and how they're going to get a BMW one day from all this marketing. I just groan whenever I see a post about it anymore.
 
I've worked two sales jobs in a pyramid scheme structure. The pyramid structure obviously works to an extent but the amount of work you have to put in to get to a decent level is just not worth it. Then you have to worry about the performance of the people working for you which involves motivational speech talks about the whole "pyramid scheme" which then looks ultra scammy but really, that guy is just ensuring his pockets get filled.

I think some people just have an issue with having a version of 'slaves'.
That seems like a tiny issue to have
 
The only ever time I heard about them was on NPR's planet money where they discussed this guy Bill Ackman who manages a massive hedge fund. He spent some time researching Herbalife and determined that they were a pyramid scheme. He is so confident that they are a pyramid scheme he's taken out a 1,000,000,000$ short position on them that costs about 70,000,000 in interest per year.

Apparently he did someting similar in the past, it took 7 years but he made a lot of money.

Here's the short story version

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/16/169468312/the-fight-over-herbalife

Here's the full podcast

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013...billion-dollar-bet-against-weight-loss-shakes
 
I had a woman similar to your friend but it was all Isagenix stuff. The worst was every post was mysterious and would say things like "I feel amazing on this nutritional rebalancing program! I've lost so much weight!" When people would comment how she'd say she'd PM them.

I finally started saying it's isagenix on every post when someone asked and she removed me.
 
I know it's not a pyramid but my AIESEC friends are starting to get on my nerves. I get it, it's fun,. you feel important in your tiny bubble, no one cares,
 
Waiting for the bus one day, some girls handed me a coupon for free smoothies (said something about a grand opening, not exactly sure). Looked up the address on Yelp, sure enough it's Herbalife-made smoothies. Apparently the minute you walk into the building you're hounded to sign up for a trainer. The fact it is literally a block away from my college is worrying as to how many people they've fooled into joining.

You want a zombie apocalypse? It's called Herbalife.
 
I had an internet buddy who saw my fitness progress on FB mention he was getting into herbalife as he was really inspired by what I was doing. "It's only XXX$ to get started and I can make money selling it to other people too!" he proudly exclaimed. I told him to do his homework and forget that bullshit scam.
 
Social media is just for that purpose, to sell you shit. Until there's a pay only that is widely used will shit like this stop. I remember beig bombarded by music events on facebook.
 
Herbalife is different from other mlms IMO because it's an actual product that works and you make more money from actually selling the product than signing up new coaches under you.

I know someone who lost over 200 pounds using it and he swears by it and I can't knock him. That type of transformation would have me drinking the koolaid too.

I tried it for a month but I like food too much to only eat once a day. I did lose 20 pounds tho.

Far from a typical pyramid scheme tho. Just my opinion. Wake up now is the worst and preys on naive college kids.
 
This thread reminded me I was at the mall with a friend a few days ago and a couple of teenagers (one wearing a tie twice his size and the other in desperate need of facial grooming) came up to us and asked us how we'd like to work for their new business making $500-$1000 a week.

I was wondering how a bunch if incompetent looking teenagers could start their own HR business. My friend asked them what their company was called and they said Primerica. I told them they were both wasting their time and walked away.

Later we were having lunch in the food court and we saw security escorting them out of the mall. We laughed pretty hard. The shit they train people to say and believe is pathetic.
 
I have a friend who does the herblife thing. She posts about it a lot too. Maybe it's a fun thing to work for. Idk

It's not, unless you make "tons of money by your own" scamming enough people to get inside their Multi-Level Marketing scheme bullshit.
 
About Sept of last year. I was looking for new employment, and applying everywhere. I get a phone call out of the blue of a company I didn't apply to asking me to do a phone interview right at that moment. I thought it was weird, but I did it, then did an in person interview where the entire interview was me asking them questions. WTF.

Then they claimed that I could make 2000 per week by doing nothing and that if I recruit more people I get half of their commission. When I left I was so mad that I got suckered into wasting a day that it helped push me to go back to school to get a special education credential. So at least there was some good to come out of it.

Also, fuck you American Income Life.
 
Herbalife is different from other mlms IMO because it's an actual product that works and you make more money from actually selling the product than signing up new coaches under you.

I know someone who lost over 200 pounds using it and he swears by it and I can't knock him. That type of transformation would have me drinking the koolaid too.

I tried it for a month but I like food too much to only eat once a day. I did lose 20 pounds tho.

Far from a typical pyramid scheme tho. Just my opinion. Wake up now is the worst and preys on naive college kids.

Lmao another brainwashed Herbalife lemming appears! This is an awesome thread.
 
I guess I'll weigh in now since I said I would.

I was a fat kid. There's no way around that. I want to find an old picture of me when I was in 8th or 9th grade. I'll hunt one down at some point...Just for argument sake, I was 240 pounds in 9th grade. That's what, 14 years old? I as BIG.

My after school snacks were a package of poptarts and a twinkie or a 1/3 of a package of Oreos or a half-bag of chips. This was always accompanied by a soda. It was bad and I knew it...I was actually sneaking food into the basement to eat before dinner.

My mother was doing Herbalife sometime during my freshman year of HS. I approached her and said I wanted to try it because I wanted to lose weight. She was on it because she must have thought she was overweight (she wasn't). But she agreed to let me try it after she had been on it for a few months to make sure it wasn't terrible for you.

Well, months later, I actually DID loose a LOT of weight - I was down to ~140 pounds. My breakfasts were these breakfast bars (they remind me of Quest bars in texture) that she made using the shake powder they give you mixed with oatmeal and peanut butter and milk? I don't remember, but they were actually really good. My lunch was usually a sandwich, some fruit, a bottle of water, and a small one of those breakfast bars for dessert (it was sweet and I love sweets). Dinner was a meal shake.

Anyways, I don't know if Herbalife actually WORKS, but at the time, it did for me. When I was on it, they were still using ephedra. So...But there were a LOT of pills that you took. I'm not even sure what they all were, but I took like 5 or 6 with each meal. I also didn't really change my activity habits during the time I was on it.

However!

Mentally, I was approaching my eating habits a LOT differently. I went from way too many carbs, calories, and grams of fat a day to SIGNIFICANTLY less. So part of me says the system was a sham and only put me in a mental state to eat less and stick with it. I mean hell, a month before my honey moon, I cut down my carb intake to like, 20g a day and lost like 15 pounds without even trying (I ate low carb tortillas, lots of nuts, salads, chicken, steak, and bacon). So it's clear that I can loose weight by cutting out sugars and carbs, but I think we already knew that.

So that's how I take it. I don't like the company and don't agree with the whole MLM/pyramid scheme thing. I think it's shit and completely terrible for folks who are easily sucked into it. Having said that, the product (of the late 90's early 2000's) DID change my life. I would never do it again nor ask anyone to do it today, though...I think there are cheaper, better, and safer ways to loose weight than taking a bunch of pills that may or may not be doing anything.

And I've already text my mother to see if she can't scan me a pic of me in 8th/9th grade so I can show how different I looked, ha.
 
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