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[Exodust]

He does talk about that near the end.

Yeah, and it's great that Woolie brings it up, but didn't go too hard about it for me.

If all these creative and talented people didn't shackle themselves to their own fandom, they could have made their own original work inspired by what they became a fan of. I get the whole "branding helps sell" logic, but it really doesn't work when you're putting in years of your life making something for free that'll probably get you stuck in a lawsuit.

Still a good vid.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

I see Woolie likes his Tim and Eric.

What happened to Mother 4 again?

imo that's the only case in which I think it was really disrespectful to the original game and I'm glad they changed. While Itoi did say something about wanting to be the player of Mother 4... I don't think that's quite what he had in mind. Thankfully this project can be it's own thing I hope.

Yeah, and it's great that Woolie brings it up, but didn't go too hard about it for me.

If all these creative and talented people didn't shackle themselves to their own fandom, they could have made their own original work inspired by what they became a fan of. I get the whole "branding helps sell" logic, but it really doesn't work when you're putting in years of your life making something for free that'll probably get you stuck in a lawsuit.

Yeah, Undertale is definitely inspired by Mother, but it is it's own thing. I'd say it's a more honest Mother 4 than the actual Mother 4 project was.

 

[Exodust]

And Undertale blew up in a way a Mother 4 fangame never would.

Not saying that any game that isn't a fangame is likely to get big, but having it be your own thing that you can make money out of and possibly get a career out of it is always the better alternative.

 

[Fat4all]

I see Woolie likes his Tim and Eric.

Woolie and Pat quoted the "It's free real estate!" bit like 50 times during their DS1 LP.

 

[Japanmanx3]

Been saying this for years. Agreed wholeheartedly.

 

[Menitta]

Woolie and Pat quoted the "It's free real estate!" bit like 50 times during their DS1 LP.

Can't wait for them to get to Kiryu's sidestory.

 

[Easy_D]

I can't focus on what Woolie's saying, his amazing tie is too cool

 

[Sou Da]

I see Woolie likes his Tim and Eric.



imo that's the only case in which I think it was really disrespectful to the original game and I'm glad they changed. While Itoi did say something about wanting to be the player of Mother 4... I don't think that's quite what he had in mind. Thankfully this project can be it's own thing I hope.



Yeah, Undertale is definitely inspired by Mother, but it is it's own thing. I'd say it's a more honest Mother 4 than the actual Mother 4 project was.

I firmly disagree and I think people got far too caught up in a name.

And Undertale blew up in a way a Mother 4 fangame never would.

Not saying that any game that isn't a fangame is likely to get big, but having it be your own thing that you can make money out of and possibly get a career out of it is always the better alternative.

It's still going to be free.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

I firmly disagree and I think people got far too caught up in a name.


It's still going to be free.

That's the thing though, it never needed that name and it doesn't need it now. I can even accept romhacks of Mother 2 or 3, but Mother 4 is a bit too much for me. Leave it like that and try to absorb what you can from it

 

[konjak]

I made my fangame by not mentioning it before I literally released it, and everything had parody names.

Also I guess Legend of Princess didn't play like anything in the series...

 

[Mista Koo]

Yet, the very same Sega shut down SoR:R in the midst of the endless sea of sonic rom hacks and fangames. I'll never understand what line did Bombergames cross that all those sonic fan games didn't.

SoR:R competed with their re-release of the originals? Similar time frame too.

I made my fangame by not mentioning it before I literally released it, and everything had parody names.

Also I guess Legend of Princess didn't play like anything in the series...

It also helps that it was better than the game that inspired it.

 

[Skrams]

Woolie did a good one.

Every single time a fan game is announced the footnote of C&D incoming exists. Unless you're needing help to make the project an actual reality then there's no reason to announce anything. And if you do need a lot of people to stroke your ego of your work you have so far then you best fucking dump that shit as an anon on 4chan or somewhere where they'll never find you. You give that flash drive with a trailer to a friend in Brazil and then you burn your house down and move. That's your only choice.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Why bother?
Use that time, energy and creativity to make something original instead of a sub-par version of something we already have.

 

[NZerker12]

Got $450?

 

[Samuraicop]

Woolie out here with that suit and tie spitting facts. Glad he made this

 

[ghostjoke]

This video and the gifs stemming from it is going to get some use, and it's going to hurt each and every time. Great video.

"You can't cease & desist fun(tm)" sounds like a challenge.

Also, that Kira tie is sharp.

 

[Dreamwriter]

I'm not sure knowingly breaking copyright law and releasing something before lawyers have the chance to ask you to C&D is too smart. You're basically hoping they won't take it any further to prevent bad PR despite knowing you're going against the creator's wishes.

You're already doing that by announcing it while it's incomplete, risk is no different to announce it when it's already complete

No, because there's no law against announcing a project or working on it. They can't "take it further" at that point. Once you release the game, you are now open to a direct lawsuit. Very different risk.

 

[sixteen-bit]

The PSA word filter is gone now?

 

[JaseC]

this is going to get some use.

Not as much as you might think; it's too aggressive to be a common go-to gif. Telling somebody to "shut the fuck up" is a great way to book yourself a ticket to Banville.

 

[notworksafe]

Not as much as you might think; it's too aggressive to be a common go-to gif. Telling somebody to "shut the fuck up" is a great way to book yourself a ticket to Banville.

 

[JaseC]

Haha, I walked right into that one. I'd like to think the mods can tell when somebody is being facetious.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Yeah, and it's great that Woolie brings it up, but didn't go too hard about it for me.

If all these creative and talented people didn't shackle themselves to their own fandom, they could have made their own original work inspired by what they became a fan of. I get the whole "branding helps sell" logic, but it really doesn't work when you're putting in years of your life making something for free that'll probably get you stuck in a lawsuit.

Still a good vid.

Pokemon Uranium is a great example of this.

Just call it something generic as fuck "Monster Pet Fights" and change a few things and he could've made a good chunk of change on steam. (assuming he isn't using any pokemon code.)

Like WTF are you doing, he made all the monsters as well you don't need to call it pokemon!

 

[Generalpsyduck]

This is going to get ABUSED.

 

[hikarutilmitt]

The PSA word filter is gone now?

Probably not, it just doesn't have a 100% firing rate.

 

[xealo]

You're already doing that by announcing it while it's incomplete, risk is no different to announce it when it's already complete

A C&D is a lawyer trying to protect the IP without needing to take you to court, and can be expected to be the course of action in all cases when done pre-release, and at most will leave fans and creators disappointed. Taking it further costs the company more money than the time and ink it cost them to figure out who you are and mail you a letter to cease and desist.

Actually releasing a playable game before they've a chance to act upon it is gambling on that they won't bother suing you for using their property, and arguing that it's harmful to their business while doing so.

The risk is different, and frankly, anyone who's good enough at making games to put together a game worth playing that imitates another well loved IP would be better off just spending their time making their own IP inspired by it instead.

 

[thechristoph]

• Release 'tribute' game which is clearly inspired by a classic but doesn't infringe on copyrights.
• "Leak" a patch or mod that changes it to a full fan game.
• ???
• Don't profit...that'd be illegal.

 

[MagnoSauce]

The PSA word filter is gone now?

It's got some advanced AI that can detect when the PSA is actually legitimate

 

[sixteen-bit]

Probably not, it just doesn't have a 100% firing rate.

looks like another went through today, lol
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1371849

 

[panama chief]

"You can't cease and desist fun"

Queue curtain!!! This was a good watch. Agree 100%

 

[Conan-san]

Pokemon Uranium is a great example of this.

Just call it something generic as fuck "Monster Pet Fights" and change a few things and he could've made a good chunk of change on steam. (assuming he isn't using any pokemon code.)

Like WTF are you doing, he made all the monsters as well you don't need to call it pokemon!

Yes and then it can disaper into the ether with all the other good things that have no groundswell.

Also, sometimes, you don't want to cure cancer, you want to turn people into dinosaurs.

 

[AzureSkies]

this is my new favorite thread

 

[PSqueak]

Yeah, Undertale is definitely inspired by Mother, but it is it's own thing. I'd say it's a more honest Mother 4 than the actual Mother 4 project was.

When i finished Undertale, one of my first thoughts was "welp, those mother 4 guys will have a huge uphill battle to convince people they're a better Mother 4 than this game".

 

[Caffeine]

i still want chrono ressurection fuck

 

[Tizoc]

I did a search for 'unofficial' but didn't notice this in the search results.
Good video and the list of C&D-ed game is a good reminder to keep it quiet about a fan project at least up til near completion, or when its ready.

 

[funkystudent]

I just assume most of these fan remake videos are resume padding and sending out a message of "HEY I KNOW HOW TO DO UNREAL. PLEASE GIVE ME A JOB!"


Nothing against that hustle. People just need to have the expectation that a youtube video is all it will ever be.