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[DJIzana]

Then why play an MMO? The whole point is the fact that everyone in your party is controlled by a real player. If you just want to play alone, then you can get any RPG. The thing is, it doesn't encourage forming of parties one bit if the entire quest line is balanced for a single player soloing. Playing that quest line in a party makes it extremely boring. Which means that most MMO's these days are extremely boring compared to the old FFXI, which sucks.

Dude... if you don't have time and you're literally SITTING there, SPAMMING chat looking for a group for GOD knows how long... and you can't find one? Why would you want to pay to play for a game like that?

You can still have an amazing world and amazing elements for every type of player in it. I love MMO's. I just prefer to solo if I don't have a lot of time to play or when I know it will be hard finding a group for something.

 

[Teknoman]

You can solo alot of stuff in XIV, from every day quests, to exploration and certain missions. For most important story boss battles or dungeon bosses, you'll need a party though.

You can also level solo if you want, and its alot easier to do than in XI.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You can solo alot of stuff in XIV, from every day quests, to exploration and certain missions. For most important story boss battles or dungeon bosses, you'll need a party though.

You can also level solo if you want, and its alot easier to do than in XI.

This. Also ARR will have content finder so you don't have to shout for parties or just wait sitting on a city.

 

[Kokonoe]

A lot of things are easier than FFXI. -laughs-

 

[Kame]

Why is there so much negative bias about this game.

I really don't see how it's a bad game at all.

Launch was a failure, however after the several patches leading up to this it's literally a well-polished game.

I had to give it another chance before getting into a conclusion like most people has.

 

[Snapshot King]

Why is there so much negative bias about this game.

I really don't see how it's a bad game at all.

Launch was a failure, however after the several patches leading up to this it's literally a well-polished game.

I had to give it another chance before getting into a conclusion like most people has.

The negative bias comes from a two main factors.

1. Disastrous launch. It's difficult to wipe that stigma off.
2. MMOs in general have had a real downswing since FF14 came on the scene, especially with games like GW2 pushing the Buy 2 Play model.

 

[Kagari]

Why is there so much negative bias about this game.

I really don't see how it's a bad game at all.

Launch was a failure, however after the several patches leading up to this it's literally a well-polished game.

I had to give it another chance before getting into a conclusion like most people has.

All you have to do is mention the word MMO and people get turned off.

 

[Htown]

Not gonna lie.

That was damned epic.

Too bad games aren't movies.

 

[Teknoman]

Not gonna lie.

That was damned epic.

Too bad games aren't movies.

Every day battles in XIV arent, but the primal fights can get pretty up there, especially with their specific themes blasting in the background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7qcJcmzfQ

They might not look it, but they can get pretty nerve-wracking at times.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Dude... if you don't have time and you're literally SITTING there, SPAMMING chat looking for a group for GOD knows how long... and you can't find one? Why would you want to pay to play for a game like that?

If you're doing that then you're playing a poor MMO (maybe The Old Republic?), good MMO's have party-finder tools. Or join a large guild and it's easy to find a party then. Or convince some friends to play with you as a static party (this is what I do most of the time).

My point is, the whole point of an MMO is the fact that it is multiplayer. An MMO should never be made worse to accomodate people who don't want to play an MMO. Which unfortunately many games are doing these days with their main questlines.

 

[Exentryk]

Perhaps we can have a GAF party? A party of people who'd rather solo, but will join forces to experience this beautiful game that deserves to be played. Right? Raaight?

 

[Femmeworth]

I'm kind of interested in this.

At least the graphics are nice now!

Welp, never mind.

 

[Deleted member 20920]

Perhaps we can have a GAF party? A party of people who'd rather solo, but will join forces to experience this beautiful game that deserves to be played. Right? Raaight?

There was already a linkshell made out of gaf people during verion 1.X. I'm sure we will have that again when 2.0 comes on.

 

[Shinta]

I'm kind of interested in this.

Welp, never mind.

I don't know a single MMO that's really fun to watch. You should try it if you're at all interested.

Watching a random video of it tells you almost nothing. People would rather watch paint dry than watch someone else play FFXI, but it was a masterpiece of a game. Watching someone play WoW is awful as well.

 

[Rinoa]

fuck that looks boring. tera has spoiled me.

Beaten.

I cannot go back to slow MMOs with swaths of text and interface clutter. I want to be able to turn off the UI completely and still be able to play like TERA does.

I played most of FFXI watching youtube, reading the news and listening to other music. Don't need that again.

 

[Shinta]

I want to be able to turn off the UI completely and still be able to play like TERA does.

I played most of FFXI watching youtube, reading the news and listening to other music. Don't need that again.

You must have been a damage dealer class.

 

[Kokonoe]

I agree that watching a MMORPG and playing it is a lot different, but that's what trials are for whenever this comes out or the beta. If I looked at youtube videos only for FFXI, I would have never realized how enjoyable it was for me.

I can't say much for what I see now of FFXIV, but I'll reserve judgment for that when I actually play it.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

All you have to do is mention the word MMO and people get turned off.

Yup. Any MMO entry in the mainline series is an automatic skip and never-purchase for me. As for MMO-players, that launch was a total wreck. Sure they're putting in effort to fix it, (and it's actually looking really, really good as far as MMOs go), but they royally botched up the game's first impression and that's not something you can undo easily.

I personally can't wait till the game's out so that it stops hogging SE's resources. I wish they just threw Toriyama at the project and let the other talent focus on the next FF and Versus.

 

[I speel my dreenk]

God damn the cg trailer was awesome, in the most literal sense of the word. Where's THAT movie?!

 

[N.A]

ARR actually has a few advantages over other MMO launches that can help it succeed as a sub-based MMO.

It already has lots of content and crucially, endgame.

At launch it will have:

From 1.0:

Raids:
Darkhold
Aurum Vale
Cutter's Cry

+ Primal fights (Ifrit, Garuda & Good King Moggle Mog XII are confirmed)

+ Job quests

New in ARR:

Raids:
The Crystal Tower (multi-party dungeon that will have new floors added until the first expansion pack)
Bahamut's Labyrinth (will also be expanded until the first expansion pack)

New Primals (Odin & Titan confirmed)
PvP

Coming after launch:

Player/Free company housing - Looks awesome, they said they may test it during beta.
Golden Saucer - They can do so much with this.
Chocobo breeding - your chocobo will be able to fight alongside you.

More stuff:

It's main story will be episodic. They did a great job closing 1.0 with a story that developed over a year.

It will include "Content Finder" which will automatically party you with other players wanting to do the same thing. It can even match you with players from other servers for instanced content. Like XI, XIV has a big emphasis on party play.

It also has the advantage of being on PS3 (and they have hinted they will be looking to get it on next-gen consoles).



There is enough to be optimistic that it can succeed.

 

[Femmeworth]

I don't know a single MMO that's really fun to watch. You should try it if you're at all interested.

Watching a random video of it tells you almost nothing. People would rather watch paint dry than watch someone else play FFXI, but it was a masterpiece of a game. Watching someone play WoW is awful as well.

I still kind of want to try it, but MMOs seem like such a huge time sink. Not to mention the cost. Also a party based MMO wouldn't work for me, since I'm not the sociable type and am rather flaky.

 

[Shinta]

I still kind of want to try it, but MMOs seem like such a huge time sink. Not to mention the cost. Also a party based MMO wouldn't work for me, since I'm not the sociable type and am rather flaky.

If you post on a forum regularly, it's about the same level of socializing honestly. A linkshell is about the same as a group of forum buddies, only you can all go on quests together and help each other out.

Flakiness will catch up to you a bit though. If you get a group of people together to do something, they'll likely want to get it done without everyone leaving early. There are casual shells though, so it's really up to each person to take it as seriously as they want to.

And they are definitely a huge time sink, for better or for worse. No doubt about that.

 

[Ronok]

Dude... if you don't have time and you're literally SITTING there, SPAMMING chat looking for a group for GOD knows how long... and you can't find one? Why would you want to pay to play for a game like that?

You can still have an amazing world and amazing elements for every type of player in it. I love MMO's. I just prefer to solo if I don't have a lot of time to play or when I know it will be hard finding a group for something.

So I assume you never made any friends? If you had a decent linkshell you could easily organise to do stuff at a certain time. :-/ Even for a standard party you can just arrange a static party. It's not like this stuff was rare. (Referring to FFXI)

 

[kiryogi]

Perhaps we can have a GAF party? A party of people who'd rather solo, but will join forces to experience this beautiful game that deserves to be played. Right? Raaight?

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We are NEOBELIEVE.

 

[DJIzana]

So I assume you never made any friends? If you had a decent linkshell you could easily organise to do stuff at a certain time. :-/ Even for a standard party you can just arrange a static party. It's not like this stuff was rare. (Referring to FFXI)

The only MMO my other friends are willing to play are PSO2 and RO2. They're done with subscription based games. Kinda sucks for me because I'm willing to give it the light of day.

Maybe I'll be lucky enough to get them into FFXIV 2.0 though but I doubt it because I had to buy them GW2 for their bday to get even get them to play that game. Even then, they still don't even login to it. They all play COD or fighting games now.

I luckily have decided to join up with either some people on Twitter, which are hopefully on the same server as the rest of GAF though... so whatever.

In all fairness to them, I couldn't sit there watching them play a fighting game. Not even for a minute... I absolutely HATE those kind of games. (Except for Smash Bros.) So I guess it's only fair.

 

[Haunted]

Have you tried Tera? Tera has such an amazing real-time combat system, too bad almost everything else about it is shit.

Vindictus is the only MMO that managed to keep me interested for more than a couple hours, and that was mainly because it had a competent combat system. But as soon as the grind and the repetition started (it is a Korean MMO after all) I bailed out.

If everything else about Tera besides the combat system is shit... that kinda makes me not want to check it out. :lol

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

FFXI was always easy to make friends. I remember when I first registered for it, literally moments later I had these 2 people let me join their linkshell and they helped me with a ton of stuff and everything was great. Probably one of the friendliest mmo communities I've seen. There were still times I wanted to play on my own when I came online.

all weapons in the game are a class, and jobs are basically just a stance mode for that class. you change your weapon and you'll change your class. equip a fishing rod and you're now a fisher. equip an alembic and you're an alchemist. it's a pretty cool system IMO, very functional and probably my favorite part about FFXIV

yeah it's not a bad system, but I was hoping that when you picked a job you weren't restricted to a certain class's weapon, in my example the warrior being restricted to the marauder's axes.

 

[Conceited]

yeah it's not a bad system, but I was hoping that when you picked a job you weren't restricted to a certain class's weapon, in my example the warrior being restricted to the marauder's axes.

I really hate this too, I'm tired of doing steel cyclone for the 800 billionth time, I want weapon type variety and dual wield.

But then again I really dislike what this game has become on the whole, so I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.

I plan to give both of my accounts to family members when the servers come back up, kinda upset that I put all this time in just for 2.0 to turn into exactly what I didn't want it to, but I am partially to blame I guess because I did see it coming and there was plenty of footage put out while 1.0 was still active.

 

[Rinoa]

FFXI used to be the easiest game to make friends on because it took groups of people to do anything when it originally came out.

Reading Etoh's FFXI adventure post in 2002 cemented it in my mind that I should get the whole ass external HD and PS2 version imported ASAP (and drag my friends down that same rabbit hole).
http://etoh.livejournal.com/103802.html

His post may sound mundane now, but back then oh man.. also parties back then used to be easier because level distribution wasn't as wide and servers were packed with players.

You must have been a damage dealer class.

Yep, Sorc and Zerk/Slayer were main classes I spent time on. Though I did turn off the UI quite a bit as Priest.

 

[jiggle]

XI got really ugly in endgame, especially with RMTs in the mix

the best thing xiv ever did was to make everything either instanced or with super fast repop
i hope that doesn't change

 

[Darryl]

yeah it's not a bad system, but I was hoping that when you picked a job you weren't restricted to a certain class's weapon, in my example the warrior being restricted to the marauder's axes.

i think it's a silent fuck you to the players for them having created so many job/weapon combinations in FFXI and players all sticking to the boring cookie-cutters.

XI got really ugly in endgame, especially with RMTs in the mix

the best thing xiv ever did was to make everything either instanced or with super fast repop
i hope that doesn't change

please god no

 

[Conceited]

XI got really ugly in endgame, especially with RMTs in the mix

the best thing xiv ever did was to make everything either instanced or with super fast repop
i hope that doesn't change

But that is what made XI fun, XIV basically consisted of running the same dungeons/instances with the same group of people over and over day in and day out, incredibly boring and not at all condusive to the social element of MMO's.

XI end game was always interesting because you were constantly interacting with large groups of players (dynamis, hnm camps etc) and with random people out in the world because stuff wasn't instanced.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

i think it's a silent fuck you to the players for them having created so many job/weapon combinations in FFXI and players all sticking to the boring cookie-cutters.


please god no

also apparently you can switch jobs/classes on the fly right, any time? I'm not sure I like that either. I don't know. I like almost everything I've read except certain aspects of the job system. I feel like they don't mean anything if you just switch any time you want to whatever for whatever situation, but at the same time if you stick to 1, I feel it's somewhat limiting.

 

[pancakesandsex]

Nevermind wrong game.