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Apologies for the double post, but for those who want a gore-themed case for their Smach-Z (for April at its earliest, unlikely as that may be), there's a limited time offer going on this week to fulfill that very specific desire (Basic - €375, Pro - €599): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1724653

Odd to note that this version has a larger drive than the normal unit, with 128 and 256GB of storage for the standard and Pro model respectively, the two normally boasting 64 and 128 GB.
 

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I just noticed something from a update yesterday.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1724558
This update has, among other things, 3 new videos showing a ton of clickARM modules ImasD has already made for other devices and several main boards.
One video has a guy click several modules onto a board, plug in a battery and turn it on and you can watch it boot up Ubuntu.
All these videos are in a update titled "F.A.Q available"
This is the type of stuff they should be flaunting if they want to instill confidence in people, not buried in a backer update presumably about the FAQ.
 

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I just noticed something from a update yesterday.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1724558
This update has, among other things, 3 new videos showing a ton of clickARM modules ImasD has already made for other devices and several main boards.
One video has a guy click several modules onto a board, plug in a battery and turn it on and you can watch it boot up Ubuntu.
All these videos are in a update titled "F.A.Q available"

This is the type of stuff they should be flaunting if they want to instill confidence in people, not buried in a backer update presumably about the FAQ.
Yeah, i'm kind of surprised they haven't shown off clickARM more in their campaign considering how fascinating a selling point it would be for those that want a portable PC with the modularity of the platform left intact.
 

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3 days to end of campaign.
I don't remember the exact date but I think at some point a day or two before the campaign ends all pledges will be locked in with no backing out so here's a reminder about that.

clickARM still hasn't gotten its day in the spotlight.
Speaking of which I guess clickARM is getting rebranded or something into rhomb.
http://whatzznew.com/
Playing around on the start your project page is kinda interesting.

But hey at least they got game bundles.
Indie Pack (4 games!): Don't Starve + Starbound + Rocket League + Random Steam key - 40 euros:
AAA Pack (4 games!): Doom + Metal Gear Solid V + Starcraft II Wings of Liberty + Random Steam key - 75 euros:
Games EPIC Pack (10 games!): Overwatch + Dark Souls 3 + Don't Starve + Starbound + Rocket League + Doom + Metal Gear Solid V + Starcraft II Wings of Liberty + 2 Random Steam keys - 190 euros:
 

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I've been bugging them for a long time to make a update about the modules and when just under 3 days were left they finally make a update about the modular system and don't include all the videos they've made that shows their modules in use.
I really don't get why they didn't include all their videos from update 7 and photos of all the modules they've made that exist.

Their update about the modules is also confusing me.
Are there other devices using Rhomb already?
Yes, there are many tablets, GPS and portable devices that use Rhomb. But even if their modules are compatible with SMACH Z we recommend to use only Rhomb modules made specifically for SMACH Z.
The only device I'm aware of using clickARM/Rhomb is their one tablet that has been in legal limbo for more than a year now so I haven't seen any modular devices currently out there using their modules unless they completely slipped under my radar.
Unless companies are using the modules in devices that aren't supposed to be upgraded and not advertising it.
Guess instead of speculating I may as well ask them because I am curious now.
 

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I've been very skeptical of the project, but having LowSpecGamer take a look at it and fiddle around with settings is a really smart move. We still have if they manage to fit those components in that shell without issues though.
 

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February 3rd Update (Backers-only): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1785045

To summarize:
-Most of the components of the Smach-Z have been selected (90%), production cost TBD
-MMC is no longer being used (M.2 SSD to replace it with the ability to add a 2nd one)
-Smach-Z is delayed until September (for backers), December worldwide
-Final specs for the screen have been detailed:
-1920x1080 RGB
-5,98"
-16:9
-Pixel pitch: 0.069×0.069
-16.7M of colors
-TFT/TRANSMISSIVE
-IPS
-Full viewing angle
-Backlight Type: LED
-60 Hz
-The final model will be shown at Gamescom in August
-The Indiegogo campaign will be updated to reflect the new costs once they have been determined
 

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Forgot to post this February update...that was released in March (Backers Only): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1827938

Summary:

-The design is close to completion, with changes made to the original design like volume being controlled by a button rather than a slider, air grills being added to the top and so on
-Cases can be removed, with different case designs to be sold in the future.
-The first version will make its appearance during E3 2017, with this version being sent to certain backers for QA testing
 

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I looked back when the update was posted and just checked again and unless I am completely blind I still don't see IMASD/Smach Z anywhere on E3's list of participating exhibitors and one would think they would've grabbed a slot by now.
 

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March Update in April. As always, it's backers-only: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1857223

Short summary:

-While minor aesthetics may change (there's currently a vote going on in the forums as to which of the four joystick grips should be used), the overall final design has been decided upon and put together.
-Said design includes the addition of a mini HDMI, a mini-USB cable and a DC charging port
-A controller board is in production, mostly for the purposes of testing control inputs
 

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March Update in April. As always, it's backers-only: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1857223

Short summary:

-While minor aesthetics may change (there's currently a vote going on in the forums as to which of the four joystick grips should be used), the overall final design has been decided upon and put together.
-Said design includes the addition of a mini HDMI, a mini-USB cable and a DC charging port
-A controller board is in production, mostly for the purposes of testing control inputs
I was wondering what the current status of the device was, thanks for the update. Have you also accessed the backer forums? I was thinking about dropping a fiver on their indiegogo just to see the progress being made.
 

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And have no access to any of the hundreds of games you own on PC......... good shout.

As much as I have no confidence in this product or its spec till they actually release it and demonstrate it, Switch provides nothing of value to anyone who already invested heavily in something like Steam and wants to take that with portability. GPD Win is an excellent example of how massively useful and valuable the concept is vs buying everything all over again along with a Switch, and simultaneously losing access to everything not available for it.

March Update in April. As always, it's backers-only: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-handheld-gaming-pc/posts/1857223

Short summary:

-While minor aesthetics may change (there's currently a vote going on in the forums as to which of the four joystick grips should be used), the overall final design has been decided upon and put together.
-Said design includes the addition of a mini HDMI, a mini-USB cable and a DC charging port
-A controller board is in production, mostly for the purposes of testing control inputs
Cool to see this is still rolling. Any ETA? I really like GPD Win, though I'd much rather have Steam Controller integration for the sake of enjoying all the games that are mouse-centric in a way that is actually playable
 

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I was wondering what the current status of the device was, thanks for the update. Have you also accessed the backer forums? I was thinking about dropping a fiver on their indiegogo just to see the progress being made.
I've gone there to share some feedback from time to time.

As much as I have no confidence in this product or its spec till they actually release it and demonstrate it, Switch provides nothing of value to anyone who already invested heavily in something like Steam and wants to take that with portability. GPD Win is an excellent example of how massively useful and valuable the concept is vs buying everything all over again along with a Switch, and simultaneously losing access to everything not available for it.

Cool to see this is still rolling. Any ETA? I really like GPD Win, though I'd much rather have Steam Controller integration for the sake of enjoying all the games that are mouse-centric in a way that is actually playable
The planned release for backers is September, with a worldwide release of December. In the meantime, they'll be showing it off during E3 & Gamescom later this year. I'm hoping this turns out well because, much as I was interested in the WIN, the lack of power or ability to upgrade it for more resource-intense games makes it a hard sell, even at 720p/Medium or lower. If the Smach-Z does well, it should have a reasonable shelf life/capability to play games both old and new, though obviously not at 4K/High/60fps. If nothing else, its additional accessories will make it a favorite among emulator enthusiasts.
 

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Moving along slowly with some setbacks.
Gonna miss E3.
Apologies for the delay in posting a new update. It has been a difficult month with plenty of complications and challenges. We understand your concerns when you don't get enough updates. We ask for your patience and understanding. As you can imagine, creating a new product from nothing, especially for a startup, is not easy. Here is a summary of what we've been working since the latest update:

- The integration of Merlin Falcon in Rhomb technology has finally been validated by AMD. It has passed their tests and requirements. Now we will be able to start working on its production.
- We've started cooling system simulations. After the first tests we deduced that the planned passive cooling would be enough to dissipate 15w, but we may need more headroom to ensure peak performance in any situation. By adding a fan we'd be able to dissipate up to 28w, so we're considering this solution. The cons of adding a fan are a little more weight (10-20gr), more noise when it's on (but it'd be very quiet), more battery consumption when it's on (but it'd be in rare situations) and a slightly higher cost per unit (but it wouldn't be added to the customer price). We ran a poll and your feedback has been to add a fan so we're working in that direction. The final decision will be made after the final cooling tests.

- We also asked you for some aesthetic opinions regarding the joystick and action buttons. You have chosen black buttons (A) and circled joystick (A):
- Unfortunately, this month has been complicated due to many unexpected issues:

The laser 3D prints to test the final case have been delayed. The tolerances were off and it has delayed creating the plastic molds.
Also the plastic mold company raised the initial cost and time estimates to create the molds, and we're looking into other alternatives. We have to create them in Spain, but it's more expensive than other countries. In any case, with the current plastic molds company or a new one, we're going into August. This is creating a bottleneck of dependent tasks.
In addition, during our temperature and power consumption tests we've burned all the AMD Merlin Falcon test boards that we had. We ordered new ones, but it's taking enough time that it's affecting other tasks that we need the boards for.
- Due to these issues we must delay the project. We can confirm we won't be at E3, and, unfortunately, our presentation at Gamescom will need to be postponed too. Without a final plastic case we can't present the console; at best we could bring a 3D printed prototype.
We can't confirm how much these delays are going to affect the estimated shipment dates yet, but if delivery is delayed we'd like to compensate you for your patience. We will think about what extras or hardware upgrades we can offer you in that case without going over budget.
Thanks for your support!

SMACH Team
We don't know any details so I'm gonna withhold from any judging but them burning all their test boards is concerning, it'd be one thing if they were doing some destructive testing but I doubt they would do such a thing multiple times and to all their boards when it effects their production.
It should throttle and trip long before things start frying.
 

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Hahahhaha.

On topic, is there any easy way to know what will run on it? If it's just low-spec indies I'm not interested.
Well, they've posted benchmark tests for various video games in the past , but if you're interested in something more in-depth, LowSpecGamer has a video testing out the benchmarks for various games like GTA V, Portal and so on: https://youtu.be/WUN1XPsKv08?t=33s

Bear in mind that there could be tweaks to the hardware prior to launch i.e. them using AMD's Ryzen line instead of the current Merlin chip they're using, so it may not be entirely accurate, not to mention FRAPS running will no doubt hit the framerate.
 

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Well that's not good.
https://blog.rhomb.io/rhomb-io-will-not-support-smachz-project/
Rhomb.io will not support SmachZ Project
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Due to diferences between both companies, TNFG ( Tecnofingers ) the owner of rhomb.io has closed the relation with SmachZ Project.

Giving them all the flexibility and freedom to develop the device by his own side but not supported by rhomb.io and S500 rhomb.io Core AMD RX421.

unfortunately big discrepances in the project Have forced both parts to get that decision and a long pause in development.

In the next days TNFG will share with SMACHz team all the documentation and test regarding his project after close the terms.

Thx.

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Debido a las diferencias entre ambas empresas, TNFG (Tecnofingers) el propietario de rhomb.io ha cerrado la relación con SmachZ Project.

Dándoles toda la flexibilidad y libertad para desarrollar el dispositivo por su propio lado pero no apoyado por rhomb.io y S500 rhomb.io Core AMD RX421.

Desafortunadamente grandes discrepancias en el proyecto han forzado a ambas partes a tomar esa decisión y una larga pausa en el desarrollo

En los próximos días TNFG compartirá con el equipo de SMACHz toda la documentación, pruebas y pruebas sobre su proyecto después de cerrar los términos. Gracias.
This is the contact details listed on Rhomb's website currently.
C/ Corretger 67 Parque Empresarial Táctica
46980 Paterna Valencia, Spain

Phone: +34-962-055-109
And IMASD's contact info.
C/Corretger Nº 67 Parque empresarial Táctica - 46980 - Paterna - Valencia - España
962055109
I don't know how Technofingers is related to IMASD but as far as I can tell Rhomb is still some part of IMASD.
Rhomb has a dev wiki with a bunch of components including the cpu board which appears fully developed.
http://wiki.rhomb.io/index.php?title=AMD_Embedded_R_series_Processor_RX-421

So did IMASD completely cut ties with the project team?

I don't think this will end well.
 

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Here's the updated statement:

After our last post we have been receiving a lot of e-mails asking about the Rhomb.io implication on SmachZ Project.

We would like to clarify that Rhomb.io is the proprietary of S500 rhomb.io Core AMD RX421 (main processor unit used on SmachZ video game machine) and like any other piece in the Rhomb.io universe, will be available for anyone wanting to use it on their product, design or project, including of course the SmachZ team.

The Core AMD RX-421 has been validated by AMD, it’s on Alpha phase and it will be available at the end of 2017 for anyone to use.

We also wish to inform that the delivery times published by SmachZ during the crowdfunding campaign, never been agreed by us.

Rhomb.io team have been designing and developing this product from the beginning, including the prototypes used on the fair shows.

Based on our experience developing/making products, we consider that Smach Z has not been able to understand or value the complexity of development and fabrication that this kind of product implies, regarding to the technical and economic matters. For these reasons, after several disagreements and long pauses during this project, unconnected to Rhomb.io, both parts have decided to dissolve cooperation.

From our side, we want to thank all the support received from the user community, and specially, from the semiconductor manufacturers.

Thanks, best regards

Rhomb.io team.

PS: Rhomb.io is a modular platform property of Tecnofingers S.L (imasD is a Trade Mark property of Tecnofingers s.l)
 

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"we consider that Smach Z has not been able to understand or value the complexity of development and fabrication that this kind of product implies, regarding to the technical and economic matters."


That's like the perfect way to describe the whole project lol
 

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"we consider that Smach Z has not been able to understand or value the complexity of development and fabrication that this kind of product implies, regarding to the technical and economic matters."


That's like the perfect way to describe the whole project lol
This would've never happened if they had Ryzen!
 

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Well that's not good.
https://blog.rhomb.io/rhomb-io-will-not-support-smachz-project/


This is the contact details listed on Rhomb's website currently.


And IMASD's contact info.


I don't know how Technofingers is related to IMASD but as far as I can tell Rhomb is still some part of IMASD.
Rhomb has a dev wiki with a bunch of components including the cpu board which appears fully developed.
http://wiki.rhomb.io/index.php?title=AMD_Embedded_R_series_Processor_RX-421

So did IMASD completely cut ties with the project team?

I don't think this will end well.
I had a feeling this would happen. This project was trying to get off the floor too quickly. For the performance they sought, 14nm was significantly more feasible. The idea of a passive 15W processor seemed a bit far-fetched.
 

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The Smach Z team's response: https://forum.smachz.com/forum/updates-progression-6/topic/rhomb-support-announcement-262/

We have received many messages asking for clarification after the latest publication of ImasD announcing that Rhomb is not longer supporting SMACH Z. We’re going to clarify and explain all the details once the issue with them will be solved. At this point we can’t give many details as we are subject to confidentiality obligations, the same as ImasD.

For the moment we can only assure you of the continuity of the project and delivery of the console. We’re working already with a better partner that will finish the development, SMACH Z will keep all the promised features, but it won’t make use of Rhomb technology. Regarding the shipment date, the delivery will be delayed with respect to the latest update, but not more than the delay that ImasD was already incurring at the breakup moment.

Even if this unexpected change is complicated, we hope that you understand that it has been the best decision for the continuity of the project. We’ll give more details in the next update as soon as we can share more information.

Thanks for your patience.
 

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UPDATE: A lengthier response from the Kickstarter (there were two but it's the second one which has the most important details):

Hi Smachers,

We still can’t give more details about the ImasD breakup, but we’d like to give another update to answer some of your most common questions.

New Partners:

After the ImasD failure, we don’t want the success of the project to rely on another third party. That’s why the new hardware development team will work with our team as a part of SMACH Z, even if they are an independent hardware company (On Testing S.L). We will be in full control of the project so we will be able to communicate more freely with you. The lack of communication with backers was due to the scarcity of progress updates from ImasD.

The new team is very experienced, and we’re confident that they will do great work, but we don’t want to rely only on one team. We’re looking forward to adding more partners to the project. We’re in negotiations with Bleujour for the AMD integration and BQ and TicNova for the production (though the deal is not closed yet).

New Schedule:

It’s early to have a new schedule because the new team has just started. Also, we’re still dealing with ImasD to get the materials in order to continue the work.

Because of the change from Rhomb technology we will need to redo all the work related to Rhomb, including the AMD SoC integration. As an preliminary date we’re estimating having the final version developed in December 2017 and start shipping to backers on Q1 2018. We’ll give more details as soon as we establish the new schedule.

Modularity:

SMACH Z won’t use Rhomb technology anymore. However, SMACH Z will still be modular, and it’ll be possible to upgrade the SoC, RAM and storage as promised. We’re working on our own modular solution, following standards of M.2 for the SSD and laptop DDR4 RAM.

Refunds:

We understand your concerns and people asking for refunds, however that is not feasible at this point as those funds are invested in completing the project.

As you may know, it’s quite usual for new projects to be delayed. More than 80% of Kickstarter's top projects shipped late, and especially hardware projects. Some examples of renown projects that have been delayed and were finally successful are Pebble, Oculus Rift and TouchTime.

Like those projects, we are dedicated to overcome the inherit difficulties in producing new hardware and appreciate the your support and patience.

Compensation:

We’re working on introducing improvements to the console's hardware in order to address your concerns about the delay. We will disclose more details as soon as we can.

Thanks for your support.
At the rate this project is going, they might as well use a Ryzen SoC instead of their current tech.
 

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Was looking up the new people earlier today.
I'm pretty sure these are the new companies that pending successful negotiations will be involved.
https://www.bleujour.com/en/
http://www.ticnova.es
https://www.bq.com/en/

They are pretty much throwing everything out and starting from scratch now.
I don't trust the Smach team's new preliminary date and I feel like that date will keep shifting back.
I can only imagine what would have happened had the original kickstarter in 2015 been successful.
 

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Welp. This project seems like a fucking disaster.



It is a fuckin disaster. They're total amateurs. I'm not a computer enginer and even I can do some simple logics:

A 4.5W tablet will throttle fanless.
How do you think a 15-28W (3 times mores) handheld will fare, fanless ?
Heck, a 4.5W GPD Win, with a fan, may throttle when you unlock it to 7W.

And they promise a mountain over this. Big battery, upgradable SoC, 1080p.
 

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It is a fuckin disaster. They're total amateurs. I'm not a computer enginer and even I can do some simple logics:

A 4.5W tablet will throttle fanless.
How do you think a 15-28W (3 times mores) handheld will fare, fanless ?
Heck, a 4.5W GPD Win, with a fan, may throttle when you unlock it to 7W.

And they promise a mountain over this. Big battery, upgradable SoC, 1080p.
FWIW, they did decide to include a fan in the final design due to feedback from backers. Not saying this isn't a ripe mess, mind. It's possible they'll turn this around but i'm incredibly skeptical of the project at this point, something I say as a backer and a person interested in a modular handheld device.
 

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What did anybody expect? A portable Steam Machine using PC architecture was never going to be practical.


It exists though. It's the GPD Win.


FWIW, they did decide to include a fan in the final design due to feedback from backers. Not say this isn't a ripe mess, mind. It's possible they'll turn this around but i'm incredibly skeptical of the project at this point, something I say as a backer and a person interested in a modular handheld device.

Yeah, but a fan was mandatory, even at the lowest TDP, just to avoid thermal throttling destroying performances.
They can turn it around, but they only have 3 ways of doing so:
1) Changing the SoC for an Intel Atom one, Core M3 one or AMD Ryzen, all aiming for a TDP between 4.5 to 7W.
2) Fan + Heatsink
3) Changing the 1080p screen for a 720p screen.
 

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Yeah, but a fan was mandatory, even at the lowest TDP, just to avoid thermal throttling destroying performances.
They can turn it around, but they only have 3 ways of doing so:
1) Changing the SoC for an Intel Atom one, Core M3 one or AMD Ryzen, all aiming for a TDP between 4.5 to 7W.
2) Fan + Heatsink
3) Changing the 1080p screen for a 720p screen.
I can see the first one happening since it was brought up to them on the Smach forums, coupled with the amount of time it will likely take to complete the project due to the current delay would allow for ample time to utilize AMD's Horned Owl for the SoC so they don't drop another partnership. The second one is a given at this point, but the third one is not going to happen given that one of the stretch goals that was met meant the planned 720p screen would be replaced by a 1080p screen. Needless to say, they have quite a lot of work to do in order to salvage this project.
 

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"we consider that Smach Z has not been able to understand or value the complexity of development and fabrication that this kind of product implies, regarding to the technical and economic matters."


That's like the perfect way to describe the whole project lol
Ouch.

It exists though. It's the GPD Win.





Yeah, but a fan was mandatory, even at the lowest TDP, just to avoid thermal throttling destroying performances.
They can turn it around, but they only have 3 ways of doing so:
1) Changing the SoC for an Intel Atom one, Core M3 one or AMD Ryzen, all aiming for a TDP between 4.5 to 7W.
2) Fan + Heatsink
3) Changing the 1080p screen for a 720p screen.
All those options are far from the pitched power of the device, though.
 

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I can see the first one happening since it was brought up to them on the Smach forums, coupled with the amount of time it will likely take to complete the project due to the current delay would allow for ample time to utilize AMD's Horned Owl for the SoC so they don't drop another partnership. The second one is a given at this point, but the third one is not going to happen given that one of the stretch goals that was met meant the planned 720p screen would be replaced by a 1080p screen. Needless to say, they have quite a lot of work to do in order to salvage this project.

Any other SoC choice wouldn't be able to run games at 1080p. And would have troubles to even run at 720p. Which means getting a lot of games running at a quarter of that resolution. 1080p was always a mistake, but if you downgrade specs, it's even worse.


Ouch.



All those options are far from the pitched power of the device, though.

Indeed, but let's be real: The pitched power was impossible in that form factor with these specs. a 800gflops, 15 to 35W TDP device, in a handheld form factor with that chip is impossible.
It MAY happen with a 7nm AMD chip. But that's not happening yet. As of right now, they'll have to settle for a lower TDP and a bit larger device, with a fan. And as a consequence, horsepower will be vastly reduced... which means they'll need to reduce the screen resolution (which is too big for that size. It'll be unsuable).
 

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Yeah. At this point, anyone who didn't backed this device, but was looking forward to it, should better wait for an M3 GPD Win, as that has much more chance to happen than this. As for the ones who did backed it... my condolences. I know the feeling very well as I backed an Open Pandora.
 

GhostTrick

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Yeah. At this point, anyone who didn't backed this device, but was looking forward to it, should better wait for an M3 GPD Win, as that has much more chance to happen than this. As for does who did backed it... my condolences. I know the feeling very well as I backed an Open Pandora.


Ha. I remember when I was younger, like 16-17, I wanted an Open Pandora and was saving money for it. Changed my mind for a 3DS. 500€ for a vaporware device. But at least, it was a realistic one. Anyone who backed the Smach Z has been doing a huge mistake, since they've been promised something physically impossible. Remember that what they promised is basically something close to Xbox One.
 

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The news are bad and i'm not convinced by the steam-like controls and the lack of keyboard but I hope this releases though, we need a healthy market of handheld pc.
 

CazTGG

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How much money an individual had to put down ? Sorry for your loss
For the Smach Z? 279 Euros (449 for the Pro version I chose), so...about 15 million Canadian dollars.

And, just to clarify: Backers got a discount on the expected retail price.

The news are bad and i'm not convinced by the steam-like controls and the lack of keyboard but I hope this releases though, we need a healthy market of handheld pc.
Gaming palmtops making a comeback would be nice...but i'm skeptical that the likes of the GPD WIN, Smach Z and the Razer Switchblade (if the latter two come out) will be anything more than niche products.