I'm pretty sure the PS3 already does. Blu-Ray movies are have HDCP, meaning they'll only display at their full resolution on an HDCP-compatible DVI or HDMI connection.angelfly said:Is it possible to only disable HD when playing Blu-Ray? It's silly even in this age to expect every HDTV to have HDMI. Even then some people have limited inputs.
Would it be possible for Sony to release a firmware disabling all component systems from broadcasting in HD? If that happens then Sony is evil. First removal of Other OS, PSN Pass, and now this.Billychu said:As far as I know this only applies to electronics made now, but I'm still slightly wary of them pulling an Other OS and removing HD from all systems.
I doubt that would happen. That would not be worth the effort it would take, especially since it won't make them any money.NateDrake said:Would it be possible for Sony to release a firmware disabling all component systems from broadcasting in HD? If that happens then Sony is evil. First removal of Other OS, PSN Pass, and now this.
Evil and counter-productive. This news is about a new model of PS3 that presumably lacks something needed to display HD over component, but it would probably take a non-trivial amount of work disable the feature on existing units. I don't see why they possibly would.NateDrake said:Would it be possible for Sony to release a firmware disabling all component systems from broadcasting in HD? If that happens then Sony is evil. First removal of Other OS, PSN Pass, and now this.
_dementia said:How does that help folks with older, non-HDMI HDTVs?
They can't do that, and even if they could it's out of the question. That move alone would destroy a massive chunk of their userbase's PS3's unexpectedly.NateDrake said:Would it be possible for Sony to release a firmware disabling all component systems from broadcasting in HD?
24FrameDaVinci said:I have no issue with this. One uniform solution to A/V cables is the best option.
Well, we're assuming the news is correct - hopefully it isn't.OldJadedGamer said:The thing I just simply don't understand is why is a system this power too stupid to understand when a game or movie is being played? Why is movie DRM coming over to the game part?
It's the same port.Oh, I missed it as they were getting rid of the entire port. The one that does both HD and SD.
Japan-only iirc. The other regions came with it at launch.Not true, as the original PS2 launch units didn't have an HDD bay then it was added, then it was taken away but the very first launch units lacked an HDD bay.
Why would they spend development time for something they have no contractual obligation to do?Unless they remove the feature through firmware... which they have done in the past.
That's a very obtuse outlookThis reminds me of when Jack Tretton blamed the bloated movie prices of UMD's on the movie studios. Movie studios.... like Sony Pictures.
There's only one good option now.Stumpokapow said:How does this get closer to that?
There's still an AV Out port. You can still plug in component cables. What's been solved?
Kyoufu said:Wow, Sony still removing features from PS3. Shameful.
How about those people who use component devices to record/stream their PS3 gameplay in HD?
I bet that is exactly what it is. Not some "grand evil scheme" of Sony's, but more of a cost cutting.Orayn said:Evil and counter-productive. This news is about a new model of PS3 that presumably lacks something needed to display HD over component, but it would probably take a non-trivial amount of work disable the feature on existing units. I don't see why they possibly would.
But I love my 2003ish 55" rear projection 1080i component-only beast of a TV!Square Triangle said:Tell them to fucking get with 2008?
They will still do this since they are unaffected?Kyoufu said:Wow, Sony still removing features from PS3. Shameful.
How about those people who use component devices to record/stream their PS3 gameplay in HD?
Haha. I upgraded from my 2006 rear projection recently to a plasma. Felt good being able to lift an HDTV by myself for a change.Orayn said:But I love my 2003ish 55" rear projection 1080i component-only beast of a TV!
Well, that and the fact that it will take an act of God to get it out of my apartment.
kassatsu said:They will still do this since they are unaffected?
jackdoe said:I have to say though, I am surprised at the rather large number of people who have HDTVs without an HDMI port. My old HDTV was a mid tier model, bought in 2007 (but released in 2006) and had two HDMI ports. I mean, I did my research at the time and made sure I bought an HDTV with HDMI since I figured that would be the new standard (and since I figured on Blu-ray playback for the future). For those with component only HDTVs, when did you buy your models?
Raistlin said:Not at all.
Like it or not, reality is the new media formats simply wouldn't have existed without it. I don't like it any more than you, but I realize it had to happen.
Just look at the companies that founded AACS. They came together to create a bridge so the two opposing sides (CE's and content providers) could communicate. Basically they were the adults in the room during negotiations to make sure neither side was getting bent over too much.
It's counterintuitive to assume they'd do that. They'd be spending development time and money on something they have no contractual obligation to enforce.Billychu said:As far as I know this only applies to electronics made now, but I'm still slightly wary of them pulling an Other OS and removing HD from all systems.
MGS Bundle 80GB PS3 + Blackmagic Intensity ShuttleStumpokapow said:until their ps3 breaks and they need to buy a new one
(Launch 60GB Ps3 + Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 here)
Sure. I don't think it changes the point though.Massa said:The way I see it they were in the room to make sure the only ones getting bent over were the ones not in the room (the consumers).
Stumpokapow said:until their ps3 breaks and they need to buy a new one
(Launch 60GB Ps3 + Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 here)
Raistlin said:Japan-only iirc. The other regions came with it at launch.
Lopson said:Sega Genesis.
Hmmm. If you still have older TVs in use, then why did you buy an HDTV in 2005? I thought you didn't replace electronics to gain access to new features, haha.larvi said:I bought mine 12/14/2005. I don't replace my electronics or appliances just to gain access to new features. Only when they no longer work. I still have older TVs in use in the house as well.
Look man, I agree with you. It's a shitty move that seems completely unnecessary. But I don't think that for the majority it is going to matter._dementia said:What about people who care about HD content, but also like recording it?
Sorry, you're right. It's actually double that.polyh3dron said:aahahahahaha you so funny
Raistlin said:Sure. I don't think it changes the point though.
The studios would have never hopped on board a format that didn't provide most of the provisions found in the current AACS agreement.
Massa said:The studios don't have a choice. Either they hop on board or they see diminishing sales on the old format.
It's really easy to predict the behavior of these studios, they go were they think the money is. I don't think keeping the old format was the answer there.
NBtoaster said:Is it confirmed that the new 160gb will be the only new model available? Aren't there 320GBs?
That's not how it works ... there's this thing known as competition.Massa said:The studios don't have a choice. Either they hop on board or they see diminishing sales on the old format.
It's really easy to predict the behavior of these studios, they go were they think the money is. I don't think keeping the old format was the answer there.
jackdoe said:Hmmm. If you still have older TVs in use, then why did you buy an HDTV in 2005? I thought you didn't replace electronics to gain access to new features, haha.
But in all seriousness, the HDTV was bought because of the Xbox 360 launch I presume? 60Hz, 1080P?
VariantX said:So, now I have to buy a brand new HDTV just to play PS3 games in HD since my HDTV is apparently too old now? Fantastic.
Yes, in one region it wasn't there true.OldJadedGamer said:I did say "original" launch units. So the feature was never there, they added it, then removed it.
It doesn't have a bluray player, so it wont.Sweeper17 said:Well SONY I still own a SDTV and don't plan on upgrading I don't think XBOX would ever do this tho.
BlueTsunami said:Hey guys, just buy new HDTVs. I mean, no HDMI port? Time to upgraddde. This is living.
kassatsu said:MGS Bundle 80GB PS3 + Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle
Nope. "For legal reasons HDMI input is unable to capture from copy protected HDMI sources. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content."TTP said:Does that allow to grab footage through HDCP? Not that I care for now since I don't have USB 3.0 but still.
My current Matrox MXO2 Mini doesn't like HDCP so I hope my Slim never fails.
kassatsu said:Nope. "For legal reasons HDMI input is unable to capture from copy protected HDMI sources. Always confirm copyright ownership before capture or distribution of content."
I'm not privy to the contractual verbiage ... but are HDMI 360's the same way? If so, I assume it's some detail in the contract for HDCP vis-a-vis the HDMI Tx. If not, Sony is just dumb.TTP said:Great :/
I don't understand why this HDCP crap has to apply to the whole video output and not to movies alone.
TTP said:I don't understand why this HDCP crap has to apply to the whole video output and not to movies alone.