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CriginsMcJuggs said:
To clear things up my point was that Obese MEN were attractive in those times, as they were usually the ones providing for their families. While a plump woman may be more fertile, are OBESE women more fertile/ever seen as more attractive?
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I'm gonna say no to more fertile. And on average, no, not more attractive, but that alone doesn't discriminate between an evolutionary explanation and a socialization explanation. Personally, I think it's reasonable to trace the origins of the socialized preferences back to evolutionary biology, but of course there's a ton of variation in taste that could be either biological or socialized.
 
Lesath said:
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an adele stan was a time traveler

so what
 
jaxword said:
As a fat male...no, no there is not.
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On the contrary, there's an entire fetish community around overweight men (and overweight women in some cases) that is interested in squashing / stamping and other things that generally involve crushing or being crushed.

Probably nothing you'd be interested in, though!

Demon Ice said:
Edit: She's not obese. What the hell?
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She actually probably is by the definition that is used when people making comments about the obesity rate (BMI).

kswiston said:
Yes. Some extra body fat was considered desirable for most of history, since thin women were more likely to be malnourished which made them less likely to ovulate/carry a baby to term. However, I don't think there is much evidence for a preference towards outright obesity in the past. There's a big middle ground between stick-thin model and someone who is obese.
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Peter Paul Rubens' Venus at the Mirror

Yes, Venus as in the most beautiful goddess and the goddess of love. And yes, she's outright obese.
 
Mumei said:
On the contrary, there's an entire fetish community around overweight men (and overweight women in some cases) that is interested in squashing / stamping and other things that generally involve crushing or being crushed.
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maybe it's just the internet circles I travel in, but I've never come across a dude doing feeding/squishing/etc as a fetish. it's always been a chick. well.. now that I think of it, there are bears (is this the right word?), so I guess that counts.
 
There's attractive and fat just as there is ugly and fit.

But what I don't get are people who dismiss others purely for being overweight. For some its an outward sign of laziness or a lack of self control, but not all. If we all had the same diet and exercise, we'd still see a huge variety in shapes and sizes.

What works for one person doesn't work for the next, and each of us comes equipped with our own genetic advantages and disadvantages, so summing people up by their appearance alone is both ignorant and patronizing.

Now this girl might be a drama queen, and she might be doing this for bullshit reasons, but the idea in principle is a good one.
 
macuser1of5 said:
an adele stan was a time traveler

so what
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So apparently you lack skills with critical thinking. ;)

In all seriousness, using a Greco-roman statue as evidence that there is some sort of historical basis for preference against fat women falls short when there is also a historical basis for dudes liking chubby girls stretching way back before humans got that agriculture shit figured out.
 
Lesath said:
So apparently you lack skills with critical thinking. ;)

In all seriousness, using a Greco-roman statue as evidence that there is some sort of historical basis for preference against fat women falls short when there is also a historical basis for dudes liking chubby girls stretching way back before humans got that agriculture shit figured out.
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I saw it as him making a sarcastic snide remark about the existence of fat models that represented fertility in reference to how people here shit on Adele.
 
Necromanti said:
I wish I had her abundant self-confidence.
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Confident or oblivious? She claims to "know" she's sexy, yet many people would clearly disagree. Overweight people deserve happiness and self-confidence like anyone else. But if it's all based on a distorted self-image? Maybe not such a healthy attitude.

Why not "I know I'm a great person, and if I lose weight I'll be hotter and healthier"?
 
Monocle said:
Confident or oblivious? She claims to "know" she's sexy, yet many people would clearly disagree. Overweight people deserve happiness and self-confidence like anyone else. But if it's all based on a distorted self-image? Maybe not such a healthy attitude.
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"Sexy" is 100% subjective, there's nothing distorted about her self-image. If she said she was skinny and fit, then yeah!

And if you measure someones sexiness by GAF consensus, you will notice that there are maybe five sexy people alive on earth and even those are debatable.
 
zoukka said:
"Sexy" is 100% subjective, there's nothing distorted about her self-image. If she said she was skinny and fit, then yeah!

And if you measure someones sexiness by GAF consensus, you will notice that there are maybe five sexy people alive on earth and even those are debatable.
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Sexy might be subjective, but it follows a pretty clear pattern of social norms. A warty face and a fat ass won't win you as many admirers as tight abs and a great complexion.

(Just in case it's unclear, I'm speaking generally now. The lady's face looks fine.)
 
IMO she's not pretty. She looks like an overweight Tyrion Lannister. That being said, there are plus size girls that are pretty. She's just not one.
 
Monocle said:
I agree, but that's separate from having a realistic self-image.
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No it isn't. If you concede to thinking you are somehow flawed and unable to be sexy because some fucking company says so, then your life is pretty miserable thus negatively affected.
 
I'm not in favor of ceaselessly mocking fat people and treating them as scum, but I think that it is good to encourage them to combat obesity. Social pressure doesn't have to be cruel.
 
zoukka said:
No it isn't. If you concede to thinking you are somehow flawed and unable to be sexy because some fucking company says so, then your life is pretty miserable thus negatively affected.
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I see what you're saying, but I'm kind of driving at a different point, which is that overweight people can have a positive attitude without resorting to denial or misguided counterarguments that make obesity a point of pride. I don't think it's laudable for people to idealize an unhealthy state. (Naturally this also applies to anorexic fashion models and the like.)
 
Monocle said:
I see what you're saying, but I'm kind of driving at a different point, which is that overweight people can have a positive attitude without resorting to denial or misguided counterarguments that make obesity a point of pride.
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Denial about what? I'm pretty sure she knows she's overweight/obese.
 
Monocle said:
Denial that in our society fat is not in fact sexy. Fit and/or thin people are sexy. According to popular standards.
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Well actually it's all about the hip/waist ratio than being thin when you think about global archetypes of beauty.

But like I said, she's not in denial about being/not being sexy just because she doesn't concede to the "popular" standard you are referring to/made up.
 
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