So they eat like shit but are healthy because of a 30 minute jog. Right.
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So they eat like shit but are healthy because of a 30 minute jog. Right.
tkscz
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Right, there is only one standard of healthy, I forgot.
There's definitely a guideline. Weight problems may not be an issue at a younger age but they definitely exacerbate health problems later on.
Devolution
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Well usually it's a combination of some kind of activity and changing eating habits. Doing a bunch of cardio sounds like hell on their joints.
Rockman.EXE
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Its fascinating how the comments are posted by mostly by men and are mostly negative and at best, neutral, while the comments on her website are nearly all by women and are all pretty much worshipping her
If you read the blurp she knows she's the fat. The dude is supposed to be the attractive. She's mixing the two to show they are compatible. Of course to me she's only reinforcing the idea we have sexy models selling shit to us for a reason. So on that front she fails completely. As far as her other motivation - to show she as a fat woman is comfortable in her skin - well I guess this proves it. Not sure sure if she's going to change the hearts and minds of those that don't find fat attractive, but maybe she's giving other fat people a confidence boost.
Desperate_Gamer
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Obviously all men look like the guy in the ad, and those who don't are just lazy and should be ashamed of themselves for not trying hard enough to look good. (or sexist double standards)
Dude Abides
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A lot of people are weirdly obsessed with body aesthetics. One side likes to pretend it's out of a concern for physical health, the other side pretends it's out of concern for psychological health.
Devolution
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Still it wouldn't hurt for the industry to actually show some models unphotoshopped and a with a more much average frame (not gonna happen though). Basically somewhere between Kate Moss and this chick.
Neogaf is full of perfectly fit dudes that have 2% body fat and 25K+ worth of posts. They constantly ignore or hide when it comes to posting real images of themselves but see fit to comment on every single thread about weight or obesity. Not stereotypic internet users at all...
Jibbajabbawockky
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I think that's an interesting point. I think people confuse fitness with one's weight. Its easy to make a snap judgment of someone by just looking at them and thinking that some "obese" or fat looking person must be unhealthy and not fit. Yet, you could have a skinny or normal weight person who is even more unfit and unhealthy than a fat looking person. Having terrible cholesterol or terrible blood pressure or a terrible family history for various diseases isn't going to be exclusive to a fat looking person.
That's where I think fat people can get a bad rap- you have people making snap judgments about their medical health simply by how they look. Certainly medical obesity can lead to greater risks for various co-morbidities but I'll leave that judgment to the fat person's physician.
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More recently, exercise physiologist Glenn Gaesser has championed a health at every size frame, writing that "people should be physically active, eat healthy foods, and not obsess about the numbers on the scale." Gaesser argues that physical activity and a diet high in fiber and complex carbohydrates and low in fat and sugar are more directly linked to good health than is weight and that improving diet and becoming more active do not always lead to weight loss for all people. He points to research showing that one can be "fat and fit" just as one can be unfit and thin and that it is fitness - not weight - that matters.
Gaesser heavily cites Steven Blair, who is a professor of exercise science and has published scores of peer-review articles in leading scientific journals including the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showing that physical fitness better predicts health outcomes than BMI. In fact, Blair's work has shown that, among people with the same level of physical fitness, BMI has no effect no mortality from all causes. Blair says that he believes that "obesity travels in bad company," in that it is associated with higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, and knee osteoarthritis, but that obesity itself is "the wrong target" of health interventions. The target, he says, "should be lifestyle," including a healthful diet and regular physical activity." He expresses frustration with the disproportionate focus on energy intake and relative inattention to physical expenditure in the literature on obesity and is adamant that "it's inexcusable now for scientists to study obesity and not take physical activity, carefully measured or cardiorespiratory fitness, into account."
Gaesser heavily cites Steven Blair, who is a professor of exercise science and has published scores of peer-review articles in leading scientific journals including the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showing that physical fitness better predicts health outcomes than BMI. In fact, Blair's work has shown that, among people with the same level of physical fitness, BMI has no effect no mortality from all causes. Blair says that he believes that "obesity travels in bad company," in that it is associated with higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, and knee osteoarthritis, but that obesity itself is "the wrong target" of health interventions. The target, he says, "should be lifestyle," including a healthful diet and regular physical activity." He expresses frustration with the disproportionate focus on energy intake and relative inattention to physical expenditure in the literature on obesity and is adamant that "it's inexcusable now for scientists to study obesity and not take physical activity, carefully measured or cardiorespiratory fitness, into account."
And there has also been an epidemiological study which estimated that as many as half of those categorized as overweight and nearly a third of those categorized as obese had normal (e.g. healthy) cardiometric profiles); this is admittedly less than the nearly three-quarters of normal weight people who had normal cardiometric profiles but it certainly points to the possibility of being both healthy and overweight.
People should be encouraged to eat well and exercise, I agree. And if they lose weight, great here's a cookie*. If not, at least they are living healthily. It has been suggested - and I think it makes sense - that the emphasis on exercising and eating more healthily for the express purpose of losing weight and not for its intrinsic benefits to your health can have a discouraging effect. If you repeatedly diet and exercise, lose weight and then fail to maintain that, you may well give up on it. If you are exercising and eating better not as a means to an end but as an end in itself, perhaps that wouldn't be a problem? I don't really know, myself.
Crazyorloco
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Why don't we see overweight male models? I've always wondered.
Infinite_Daremo
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There's no demand from agencies, their clients, or consumers like there is for plus sized female models. Big guys get their media representation from comedians and athletes, and that's about it.
scar tissue
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Probably because men generally don't care enough to complain about societal standards concerning looks. Not once have I heard or read something like "These ads with super muscular studs make me feel like less of a man. They should use average looking guys instead." from a guy.
And because there are no complaints, advertising continues to use toned and sexy male models.
With female models, there is a lot of backlash from feminists and the like, which is why we have average and plus size models in addition to slim ones.
Rubbish King
The gift that keeps on giving
And because most advertisements featuring male models aren't aimed at men in the first place. A beer ad, a car ad, a tool ad doesn't need a male model, they will go to the regular Joe type because that is their audience.
The pressure is on men as well. The situation is not as bad probably because images of women occupy more space and we live in patriarchy
NekoFever
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I can't think why.
I'd like to ask her what my dad did wrong, since he's overweight and has diabetes and cancer.Okay, I'm reading her blog and she says dieting doesn't work and makes you sick, and that being overweight prevents cancer and diabetes.
Happy?
You looked better fat.
Crazyorloco
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Yeah I guess. I think that fluffy men not really caring about societal standards is a good thing. When my overweight guy friends see a muscular man in ads they often admire it. And say something like "I better start hitting the gym".
I do like the confidence some overweight women have. That's a beautiful thing and it's attractive... I especially love when a woman is trying to eat healthier/work out and has that confidence. That makes me freakin' happy.
Now if you're overweight, complain about being fat and don't do anything about it, mope all day, and don't try to do things that make yourself happy. That's a turn off.
That is pretty cool. lol I think for older guys they are handsome. So it works.
Infinite_Daremo
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OrangeJulius
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Happy?
Nice work Sean, you looked like you packed on fair amount of muscle between the middle and last pic.
On topic though, the whole fat acceptance campaign feels really redundant. It shouldn't be called "fat acceptance" It should just be called "treat your fuckin kids to be respectful of others no matter their appearance"
I try my hardest not to judge fat people or any people based purely on appearance, that's just how I was raised. But that doesn't mean that I accept or should accept a fat person who is fat because of poor lifestyle choices. Being fat for the average person is indeed a lifestyle choice and teaching people to accept poor lifestyle choices is just bad for everyone.
Dude Abides
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Nobody's asking you to "accept" anything. What does that even mean? Just mind your business.
OrangeJulius
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What? So people pushing fat acceptance aren't trying to make me accept them? What does fat acceptance mean then?
You are a little hostile right now.
Wat?
freenudemacusers
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Dude Abides
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It means don't worry about whether other people are fat.
What if they sit next to you on a plane and take half of your seat?
OrangeJulius
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I'm not worried, nor would I worry. (shrugs)
Dude Abides
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Tell them to stay on their side. If they won't, tell a flight attendant.
Wouldn't that be considered worrying?
OrangeJulius
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Zing!
Do fat people have a superhuman ability to control their body mass dimensions at will?
Dude Abides
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Worrying about them encroaching your space, not pretend worrying about their health. Lets not pretend the shame the fatties crew is concerned with aircraft accommodations.
Why do we have to localize our worry? What about nationally spiked healthcare costs due to rise in heart disease and diabetes?
OrangeJulius
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Why is a guy with the internet handle "dude abides" who has an avatar of the dude coming across so hostile?
Actually I am concerned with aircraft accommodations. I'm also concerned with my taxes paying the healthcare cost of a person with obesity related diseases like diabetes, heart disease and various other body problems caused by obesity.
If we continue towards a socialistic healthcare model in America and my taxes are paying for an obese persons problems that stem directly from their purposefully unhealthy lifestyle choices, than you better believe I'm going to have a say in it.
hey_it's_that_dog
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Why aren't you coming across as more of a fruity beverage?
i'd post pictures but i don't want you to feel bad about yourself
he really didn't. but the point is that he didn't like the the way he looked so he put in the time and effort and changed that.
OrangeJulius
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Touche good sir, touche.
vas_a_morir
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OrangeJulius
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So if I told you to mind your business you wouldn't find that hostile? You must be the most laid back person on the planet, maybe you should get your name changed to the the dude.
Exactly, do you think the goverment is worried about they countrymen and women looking ugly or the toll it puts on the healthcare system? If overwheight people didn't have and effect on a nations budget it wouldn't be such a hot topic. Here in Mexico you constantly see campaigns telling people to get in shape and eat better, public hospitals have areas dedicated to helping people get in shape.
Obessity is a national issue when your government has to pour insane amounts of money treating them for stuff they could avoid by eating better
Dude Abides
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Hostile? What a delicate flower you are.
Do you go into the drunk thread and scold them for drinking and driving up healthcare costs?
What about them? What about nationally spiked healthcare costs due to smoking and drinking alchohol? What about the sedentary lifestyle associated with playing lots of video games? Those are certainly the concerns of public health officials and professionals. I seriously doubt that's what's driving the response to this girl in this thread.
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