OrangeJulius
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Wow are you angry, lol.
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Abercrombie ads reimagined as "Attractive & Fat"
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Wow are you angry, lol.
vas_a_morir
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Mind your business is only mildly passive-aggressive AT WORST. Which is the normal tone of neogaf posts. "Mind your own fucking business," now I would call THAT hostile.
These kinds of posts are way worse. They have no substance, and no attempt to refute his argument. 'wow ur mad.' In my eyes, you've just conceded the argument.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
A "mind your business" attitude can easily stem from a "live and let live" philosophy, which is quite Dude-like.
OrangeJulius
Member
I don't think I have an argument here, but you clearly seem to want to make one, carry on then.
Oh, you can say whatever you want, but you have no say.
I do feel similarly about smoking and over consumption.
i think we need to remember the point peterboy and i were trying to make on page 1 - we cannot berate people into making better lifestyle choices, and it's in no one's best interest to have people feel bad about their self image. we can really only reduce the obesity problem in this country through education and a genuine desire to help others improve themselves.
this forum is mostly men, and her blog is targeted towards women. i do think that there are significant issues with how "the ideal body" of women is portrayed in society but i don't think you're approaching it the right way.
this forum is mostly men, and her blog is targeted towards women. i do think that there are significant issues with how "the ideal body" of women is portrayed in society but i don't think you're approaching it the right way.
OrangeJulius
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Ditto. Some people in this thread are getting overly defensive. I have the same feelings towards anyone who engages in self destructive behavior in excess. I'm an everything in moderation kind of guy. Smoking, drinking, eating, playing videogames or whatever to the point that they are bad for you is.....well.....bad for you, and if I have to pay that persons healthcare, I reserve the right to judge them, and they me if they so choose.
I'm not out to make anyone feel like shit, I'm not a monster, but I'm not going to accept you with open arms either if you make decisions on a daily basis that harm you and in turn my wallet.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I don't find this attractive at all.
More than a few times when I heard someone pushing fat acceptance, it was followed by saying that it was much better than anorexic people or how skinny people are ugly. That isn't teaching acceptance, but rather talking down to someone to feel better about their own flaws. This is why I cannot get behind this push because it replaces one form of hate for another.
Dude Abides
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They care so much about these people. brother. So incredibly much.
Crazyorloco
Member
Yeah I don't think it has an appeal. If I were a woman I don't think i would be more inclined to buy that shirt.
If she was prettier maybe.
OrangeJulius
Member
I agree with you, but let's be honest that is completely subjective. There are many guys who like women her size.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Also, I want to know how informing everyone about social conditions regarding fat people in the modern day really drives this topic anywhere.
Dude Abides
Banned
Either way you're a good case in point for what I said earlier.
We can add aircraft seating as another thing the first side pretends to be concerned about.
They're getting their gross fatty germs all over the A&F, man.
You're really not in any position to determine whether my concern is pretend or not.
Dude Abides
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Sure I am. I can read what you write.
I like women her size, but that's not what makes her unattractive.
Which is kind of a shame, because she has a good point to make. But her face backfires it.
OrangeJulius
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You come across like you are taking all this extremely personal. Have you stopped to consider that maybe some people genuinely are concerned for the implications to healthcare costs, etc?
You are deducing it to an "ewww fatties" argument. Sort of lowest common denominator stuff dude. I realize some on GAF do make "ewwww fatties" posts and those don't get anywhere, but don't lump us all into that group.
On topic: She does have a good point to make, but she sort of blows it by coming across as a money grubber just looking for some shameless self promoting for her photography biz. It has nothing to do with her subjective attractiveness at all.
Yes, but apparently you can't interpret what you read correctly.
This line of discussion started because of you telling people what to do, in this case, worry about themselves.
Dude Abides
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Why are you so worried about me personally? I have stopped to consider that. I've concluded it's almost always a bullshit rationalization to post-facto justify the obnoxious expression of an aesthetic preference and sticking one's nose in other people's business.
Crazyorloco
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Diamount, I don't think it's a real ad. I believe she was trying to make a point to have "overweight" models in their ads. I don't think this is effective (her face is not attractive), but it does bring an interesting discussion.
Oh, then whoever did it is trying to prove the point on his behalf then.
Read the letter in the OP...they're trying to prove him wrong and failing miserably at it.
Gawd. You ain't kidding.
In the end... I don't see any underweight guys (like me) in these ads either. And finding a small size t-shirt can often be complicated too, plenty of brands have a very weird concept of "small". As I said, I respect her and it's cool that she does whatever makes her happy, judging people based on looks is a jerk thing to do. But her "diet makes you sick and doesn't work, being overweight prevents cancer and diabetes" attitude sucks and it offensive for people who have managed to lose weight and it's just downright ignorant and harmful.
Fonz72
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I didn't want to say it. So I'll just quote you. Thanks.
Nothing wrong with Chubby Bunnies, but this chick is not one.
Just to reiterate, there are women who ARE proud to be fat and seem to have men who like that kind of bodytype.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WIjRwtCxB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WIjRwtCxB8
Why are no one responding to this?
Either way, thanks! I've wondered about research into what effects body fat or weight alone had on health. I doubt there zero correlation, but I hate how everyone seem to assume anyone overweight is unhealthy. Don't know how relevant it is to weight, but starving seems to have some positive benefits and in one study rates of heart attacks dropped by a big margin, but they did so in later generations.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
That dancing looks so awkward.
The Lamonster
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The girl looks good but why isn't the dude fat?
vas_a_morir
Banned
The problem is that she's not attractive enough to be a model skinny or fat. I personally find the tattoos to be the biggest turnoff, but that's not to pass judgment on other people's tastes. I just really find tattoos on women to be unattractive, from my point of view. Once again, I reiterate: it's fine if you have 'em, it's fine if you like 'em. I just personally don't.
amazing oversight on the male aspect in that photo.
It's great and all that she is empowered but she has to understand people that put time into their bodies do it to reap the rewards. It's her own fault, not society's, if she isn't aiming to be "top shelf".
Back in the day, girth was a sign of health/wealth, and the ability to have a ton of a kids. The times have changed, we now have food in abundance, so it's been flipped, and the focus is different.
It's great and all that she is empowered but she has to understand people that put time into their bodies do it to reap the rewards. It's her own fault, not society's, if she isn't aiming to be "top shelf".
Back in the day, girth was a sign of health/wealth, and the ability to have a ton of a kids. The times have changed, we now have food in abundance, so it's been flipped, and the focus is different.
OrangeJulius
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I'm not worried about you. You just seem to be one of, if not the most aggressive posters in the thread so it makes you an easy target. We've already explained why it is our business. If the rising obesity epidemic in America is going to raise my insurance premiums and taxes, it most certainly is our business. The worst place you can hit a stranger is in his/her wallet. I don't have to know an obese person to know that said individual is personally contributing to my rising healthcare costs, just like smokers, drug users, etc.
I realize there are contributing factors for obesity. Secondary disease, injury, etc can all help turn an otherwise healthy individual obese, this is why I don't judge them all. You can't judge someone without knowing their personal story. But the majority of obesity in America is caused by lifestyle choices, not accidents, genetics or disease, I can and will judge those people for costing me money and effecting my personal quality of life.
If you are obese, great, I have nothing personal against you, I don't know you. But you are costing me money, period.
Dude Abides
Banned
You really have a low bar for what's considered hostile or aggressive.
How much money is the obesity epidemic costing you, personally?
OrangeJulius
Member
Tough to put an exact number on it. But if my health insurance premiums go up just $500-700 annually that is a mortgage or rent payment in large swathes of middle America. I'm not sure you realize this or not, but a large portion of the country lives paycheck to paycheck and that amount of money can be the difference between having a roof over your head or food in your belly to a great many people.
Again, it's an extremely complicated issue with many socioeconomic undercurrents. This is why I said I think it's silly of you to reduce it to such a lowest common denominator argument. You want this to be a thread where you rail against people who "just hate fatties lol" and it's not. Obesity is a major crisis in America.
Zoe
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Why does a fat girl have to be paired with a fat guy?
The Lamonster
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Dude Abides
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So you don't in fact know how much your premiums are going up due to the obesity crisis, or if they even are? If you're going to claim that the fatties are going to bankrupt you you might want to have some idea if it's true. Here, I'll help: one study estimates $66 billion in additional annual health care spending by 2030 due to preventable obesity-related diseases. That you don't even appear to know this, again, calls into question how genuine this concern really is. And I'd also point out that Mumei's post about the distinction between health and weight has gone largely ignored by those who assert they are so very very worried about the obesity crisis and its impact on their wallets.
OrangeJulius
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Your right, I don't care at all. This is all just a subversive attempt to troll fatties, just like you want it to be. Come on man, really? I can't take your arguments seriously. Mumei's post has merit, but you are lying to yourself if think the average obese person is as healthy and spends less in health care of the course of his/her life than a non obese person.
Again, you want to turn this into a fat hate vs. fat defense force thread and you seem hell bent on doing it. Knock yourself out dude. I'm made my point and it's up to others to agree or disagree, you clearly seem to disagree. Point taken, can we consider our conversation closed?
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