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Adam Sessler interview: Xbox One's DRM, Always-Online

My concern is how are they going to advertise and make this clear to the consumer - considering the shift in policy and the knowledge of the average consumer, a big sign on the box and adverts saying 'INTERNET REQUIRED' would be appropriate. As such I thought the PR message about this should have been established and made crystal clear from day 1.

If you hide the net requirement at the bottom of tiny print you see at the end of adverts, you're going to get a lot of pissed off Joe consumers when they buy the box and don't wish to / can't connect online.
 
Personally I'd like to see the OPTION to install your disc to HDD on the PS4 and not require the disc in the tray. If you make the decision to do that, the serial number of the disc is linked to your PSN account forever and the disc has lost all resale value (you'd have a web-based lookup service to allow checking of whether or not a particular serial number had already been tied up in this fashion). You'd obviously need to be online at the moment you tied the disk to your account, but not after that.

Alternatively, if you're happy to keep putting the disc in the tray to play the game, there is no need to use up the serial code and the disc retains its resale value. A future owner could then tie the serial code to their own account if they so wished; the online check during the process would verify that the code was still available.

How does that sound? A reasonable compromise?

It still gives the ability for one person to borrow the disc and play offline at the same time, but I think that's also a reasonable compromise.

A rewritable nfc chip that's part of the disc case might be a way to control that but it's probably not worth it.
 
still fucks the second-hand market. only the seller would know which game could play on all ps4s versus just one ps4.

One would assume that GameStop would use the web based lookup service to check that the code was still valid before they paid the previous owner for the used game; the code could be picked up from a barcode inside the case and thus it would not necessarily be too much of a pain for the employee to check these codes at that time. As for private sales, that's what E-bay negative feedback is for.
 
So if developers utilize the cloud to improve games, would they then have to develop an entirely different experience and essentially an entirely different game for offline play?

I am not a programmer but from what I understand, the xbox knows what to render locally and what it would get from the cloud so it would just render less objects or non essential AI etc, so they would not need to make a new game just (if online ...look for cloud for this/if not do not render or render less... etc)

so offline experience would be worse possibly or not playable at all if Dev decides

again ties back to their insistence on why they want everyone online



One would assume that GameStop would use the web based lookup service to check that the code was still valid before they paid the previous owner for the used game; the code could be picked up from a barcode inside the case and thus it would not necessarily be too much of a pain for the employee to check these codes at that time. As for private sales, that's what E-bay negative feedback is for.

that could work

I think what Ms was trying to do was allow no disc in tray for anyone (switch between game states as Sony is doing ) AND allow all those users to still trade in the game for credit and someone else get used... but I understand wanting an option but you would lose the instant game state changing
 
So if a family with a different profile but same console wants to use a family bought game they can't? That's going to backfire.
 
so in the absence of any internet connection, you're going to be able to play blu-ray movies, and there are likely to be some games modes that you'll be able to continue to play. But again, the XBox One was really designed to take advantage of the modern era where people have got high speed internet

Sounds like they have a lot of F2P or MMO type games planned. Based on the way he words his response. This isn't entirely unexpected though, we've known was happening for some time, but they need to be much more clearer about what this means for only single player affairs.

For example, will the next Deus Ex be playable offline? (if they don't attempt to shoehorn in multiplayer that is)
 
One would assume that GameStop would use the web based lookup service to check that the code was still valid before they paid the previous owner for the used game; the code could be picked up from a barcode inside the case and thus it would not necessarily be too much of a pain for the employee to check these codes at that time. As for private sales, that's what E-bay negative feedback is for.

I don't think we are going to see any XBox One used game sales on eBay. There is no point. You have to pay full price to activate the game anyway, on top of whatever you payed for the used disc.

Maybe some shady sellers will try it but I would guess it won't last long till eBay just doesn't allow them to even be listed.
 
Yep. Questions were perfect and the answers were "beat around the bush" bs. MS keeps talking about games but it's clear, even though they will show more, what the main focus is, hell he even says it in the interview.

I am simply amazed that every single negative rumor over the last year for Xbox One has come true.

Anti used games DRM? Check
Online DRM? Check
Kinect required for the console to work plus heavy use of Kinect itself? Check
Big focus on tv / being a media box with gaming not playing near as important a role as the 360? Check
Weaker hardware then the PS4? Check
Behind PS4 in dev tools? Being stated PS4 is better to work with so.. Check
3GB of RAM being reserved for OS? Check

Amazing, simply amazing. 3rd console curse has never been more appropriate. MS has gone off the deep end and I hope enough people don't support this shit to prevent these garbage tactics from spreading like wildfire.

Focus on TV, GAMING NOT PLAYING AS IMPORTANT A ROLE??!!! This is fucking hilarious. Keep it up. If you were on stage, I'd buy tickets. WTF is going on here these past days. Either I'm the old man in the club or I just...I don't get it. I LOVE posts like this!
 
That Matt Booty guy is really good at corporate line PR speak. Never skipped a beat.


So if a family with a different profile but same console wants to use a family bought game they can't? That's going to backfire.

Is this the case? His answer was (obviously) vague. I took it to mean that the profiles on that machine could play the game as well, or when he says that does he just mean your family can play but under your profile?
 
So if a family with a different profile but same console wants to use a family bought game they can't? That's going to backfire.

I believe someone (think Phil Harrison, not sure) said something along the lines of "once a game is linked to a profile on a console, any other account tied to that console can also play the game without the additional fee."

Of course, whoever it was also implied that it would even work for other Xbone consoles elsewhere in the household, so I'm not quite sure how the licensure/sharing would theoretically work.
 
I believe someone (think Phil Harrison, not sure) said something along the lines of "once a game is linked to a profile on a console, any other account tied to that console can also play the game without the additional fee."

Of course, whoever it was also implied that it would even work for other Xbone consoles elsewhere in the household, so I'm not quite sure how the licensure/sharing would theoretically work.

yea I think the gold membership automatically includes "Family" now and he said something about changing a setting on console that game permission to other users on box and it was all good.
 
Anti used games DRM? Check
Online DRM? Check
Kinect required for the console to work plus heavy use of Kinect itself? Check
Big focus on tv / being a media box with gaming not playing near as important a role as the 360? Check
Weaker hardware then the PS4? Check
Behind PS4 in dev tools? Being stated PS4 is better to work with so.. Check
3GB of RAM being reserved for OS? Check

Yep. From my perspective. It's a massive steaming pile of shite. No thanks MS. You can keep it.
 
This was supposed to answer questions? MS Xbox division is just in complete disarray. They must have seriously thought that people wouldn't question them on why they are doing certain things, considering these answers are even more cryptic.
 
All rumors, news and interviews point to the same thing. In all likelyhood, it's going to require initial internet connection & server call to activate the system, then require a server call each time a new game is inserted to log the games serial to your system's account.. and possibly a server call every time you turn it on to play any game to verify that it's registered to your account because logging that to your hard drive just isn't enough.

Otherwise if they are pinging the console daily, hourly, each minute, etc. it's probably to update challenge/auth codes because they hope to make it more difficult for mod chips to be used.

Used games will be blocked, that's all but confirmed and unfortunately they may not even be able to reverse this course even if they wanted to. They probably have deals in place with developers that were signed a long time ago in which this policy was part and parcel to developers signing on with exclusives or other perks.

Just maybe all they can do now is spin it like they are, and hold on to their asses and hope this doesn't bury them. Tinfoil hat on, I'm wondering if some developers weren't involved with subsidizing some of the production costs, because this system is 100% built for bigtime developers wants and needs, with a general disregard for gamers wants and needs.
 
It seems like every negative XBox One thread has at least one person going "well why doesn't anybody hate Sony either?"

The difference, to me at least, is pretty obvious. Sony's PS4 reveal was all about games and gaming: they showed games and gameplay, they showed features that would appeal to gamers and had to do with gaming. They were upbeat, and most importantly they knew what they were doing (or at least acted like it). When asked questions after the conference, they gave concrete responses.

Microsoft, on the other hand, their conference had absolutely nothing about games. They also had a shit-ton of rumors about their console that they didn't address during the presentation, something Sony didn't have because their announcement came much earlier. So instead of answering the rumors in the actual event, they left it to PR speak and interviews afterwards, except the PR apparently has a stranglehold on details still so they're only giving vague responses. They're coming across as incompetent and, more importantly, like they're trying to spin anti-consumer decisions into a positive and get hype for the console BEFORE they release the full bad news.

Honestly, the reason Microsoft's in such a hole is because of all the leaks and bad press before their reveal, and the fact is since the reveal they haven't really clarified any of the rumors which is just making it worse.
You pretty much summed up the past 2 days lol, great job in summary.
 
As much as I don't like MS and their policies this past generation, I really thought that they had their shit together after how they made the 360 compete and that maybe they will give Sony a run for their money again (as I like the attention PS3 got from Sony and all the exclusives).

But it is the exact damn opposite. It is a circus and the left arm doesn't know what the right arm is doing. They didn't even react to the rumors and leaks properly to adjust to consumers reactions.

I am staying away from everything that has to do with Xbone regardless of what they show at E3.
 
For example, will the next Deus Ex be playable offline? (if they don't attempt to shoehorn in multiplayer that is)

You have to log on to the online system at certain periods, Phil Harrison said once every 24 hrs, this guy says could be 2hrs or 2 minutes.

If you don't have an internet connection don't buy this product.
 
So, even Booty confirms that that fee is equal to the original game's price, and even states that, if there's no connection, your Xbox One will be a great BluRay player! And some modes for games will still work! Thanks for this permission, MS. Thanks!

XD
 
We live in an era where "people got high speed internet"? My understanding is that on average the internet in US is pretty bad.
 
Why even call it lending?

"Yo man, can I borrow this?"
"Aight, but you gotta buy it though."
"So I gotta buy it or can I borrow it?"
"You gotta buy it so you can borrow it. Get it?"
"Fuck no"
 
I can't even get my 360 to get onto a wireless internet at the best of times to play some of my XBLA games that requires my profile to be online - this once 24 hours is just laughable.

Really what about those who just don't have constant internet - sure it can't be crazy percentages but passing any sales just boggles my mind.

I'm a PC gamer though those few exclusive games (eg fighters) how could I even think over MS over Sony in this case.
 
So, even Booty confirms that that fee is equal to the original game's price, and even states that, if there's no connection, your Xbox One will be a great BluRay player! And some modes for games will still work! Thanks for this permission, MS. Thanks!

XD


Only full price if two people are trying to use the same game disc/license at the same time. If one person deactivates it so they can not play it on their console, without the disc, the other peeon can most likely have it for a small fee like inline pass was. ,$10 range
 
It's been a complete cluster fuck - any which way you look at it.

They better have some real software ready to show at E3. Exclusives too.
 
I had no idea Matt Booty ended up at MS after leaving Midway.

It kind of seems slightly reassuring that Microsoft have hired a few execs (i.e. Phil Harrison) with solid games industry experience. I've been a bit concerned over the last few years that MS was getting more and more focused on TV and less focused on gaming, but at least they have some people in high up positions that are knowledgeable about gaming.
 
Guys it doesn't matter if it's 2min or 24h, that's what I call always-online. You need a connection to the Internet to play your singleplayer games. No Internet!= can't play games. They're just dodging the answer how long the timeout counter is.
 
It kind of seems slightly reassuring that Microsoft have hired a few execs (i.e. Phil Harrison) with solid games industry experience. I've been a bit concerned over the last few years that MS was getting more and more focused on TV and less focused on gaming, but at least they have some people in high up positions that are knowledgeable about gaming.

WHAT HAPPENED THEN?!
 
Only full price if two people are trying to use the same game disc/license at the same time. If one person deactivates it so they can not play it on their console, without the disc, the other peeon can most likely have it for a small fee like inline pass was. ,$10 range
Absolutely nothing has been said about the ability to de-activate games from accounts, you're just assuming things.
 
Only full price if two people are trying to use the same game disc/license at the same time. If one person deactivates it so they can not play it on their console, without the disc, the other peeon can most likely have it for a small fee like inline pass was. ,$10 range
You don't know this! None of this stuff has been discussed in anything more than bullshit PR-speak.
 
GUYS, WAIT

You're forgetting; E3 is going to be all about the games, and Microsoft will "Woo" the core. "Woo" us so much we'll forget about all the shortcomings and obtrusive features.

I don't know about you all, but once they show off this "historic" game from Rare, I won't give a shit about any of this other stuff.

Killer Instinct Kinect
 
I hope they plan on selling the games for €20 then.
Focusing largely on multimedia features have historically not been the best idea (if it isn't a new up and coming media format) . Might work if you actually go all the way and offer something that is unique and attractive to several large groups.
 
no I'm fine thanks for asking... just amazed at the resistance to technological advancement over a perception of some personal attack here by MS to make a system that does things that have not been done before (cloud computing on a console and licensed disks and trade in system on console,) and assigning the boogie man to the reasoning

Maybe before "advancing technology", Microsoft should step out of their own front door as a company and see that their entire potential audience can get on board.

Here in the UK (a popular 360 market), there are places that STILL can't get a basic broadband connection. It's not excellent connections all over the world, you know.
 
Yep. Questions were perfect and the answers were "beat around the bush" bs. MS keeps talking about games but it's clear, even though they will show more, what the main focus is, hell he even says it in the interview.

I am simply amazed that every single negative rumor over the last year for Xbox One has come true.

Anti used games DRM? Check
Online DRM? Check
Kinect required for the console to work plus heavy use of Kinect itself? Check
Big focus on tv / being a media box with gaming not playing near as important a role as the 360? Check
Weaker hardware then the PS4? Check
Behind PS4 in dev tools? Being stated PS4 is better to work with so.. Check
3GB of RAM being reserved for OS? Check

Amazing, simply amazing. 3rd console curse has never been more appropriate. MS has gone off the deep end and I hope enough people don't support this shit to prevent these garbage tactics from spreading like wildfire.

I'd wager the PS4 being labelled easier to work with is due to the fact there's a big pool of unified memory versus the split setup in the Xbox One, rather than Sony having a more mature SDK (though of course it's hardly an either/or scenario). It's only natural that a system with unified memory is going to be easier to develop for than a system with a split setup; one requires micromanagement and the other doesn't.
 
What an awful interview (not Sessler's fault). It's staggering, really. Look, most of us hate the TV-centric approach the conference went with. But this goes beyond that. The first rumours broke, what, at the start of February? Sony's conference was a week later. Since then new rumours about the console have come out almost every week. There was the Adam Orth fiasco. They've had 3 months to see how negatively they were received. They've had 3 months to look at Sony's approach – being entirely candid about the shortcomings of PS3, highly informative presentation, focus on games – and the response that garnered. And they still seem clueless. We give Nintendo shit for not seeming to know what they're doing, but Jesus Christ, this is another level altogether.

Watch Cerny's portion of the Sony conference and just how much he told us, then compare it with the vapid nothingness presented by Mattrick et al. Not a single negative rumour was addressed and what they did give us was vague at best. "Here's one box to control the living room", they said. Except it'll only be available in North America at launch, doesn't replace your cable box, can't interface with DVR and uses HDMI-CEC to control channel switching which only the newest boxes support. "We have exclusive FIFA Ultimate Team content." What is it? With how focused the whole presentation was on the US surely now is as good a time as any to rope in some of Europe. "Here are some of the games, running on Xbox One, that are only possible because of Xbox One." Where? Those are trailers. Are you guys even ready for this?

So then they decided to address all the negative shit after the conference. You'd think with 3 months they'd have some good answers for us. Nope. Every representative seemed to contradict the last. There's a used game fee, but there's no fee, but it'll be a small fee, now the fee is the full price of the game, but there's a paywall, then it's tied to your installation, then your profile, then your family can use the game on your profile, GameStop didn't know about it, but now they know how it'll work. Get your shit straight. "You have permission to play your game." Fuck off. Then as soon as it was revealed that PS4 was (supposedly) a good deal more powerful the new company line was that Xbox One would "leverage" (I wish PR people would stop using this as a verb) the infinite powah of the cloud. Oh, so it's always online? No it isn't, but it is, it checks every 24 hours, Harrison is wrong, now he's right, but we're still thinking about it, but the whole console is designed around the new age of fast internet. Which is it?

How can any of these questions surprise them? They've clearly decided that they want to take this console in a direction that makes a closed platform even more closed by adopting the most anti-consumer policies gaming has ever seen, so yeah, people are probably going to ask how it works. "We'll tell you about it later" isn't good enough when there is this much negativity. Why put any faith in them when their entire gaming division has appeared this incompetent?

So every negative rumour came true (sometimes worse), even the implied ones about them being 6 months behind in development, and we're even more confused now than before the conference. Good job, Microsoft.
 
I can't believe how wrong I was.

I just refused to believe that Microsoft would put measures like this in place without developer and publisher backing. It was just TOO stupid a move. I mean, we haven't had announcements at E3 yet, but the only titles that would blind people to the stupidity are already confirmed to not be exclusive.

I have many apologies to make, and anyone reading this post, you know who you are, so I apologise. Further back, I also need to apologise to Amirox. I told him that I was almost certain Kinect wouldn't be required to make this box turn on.

I've said along that all these moves don't really affect me personally, but Microsoft really has committed commercial suicide here.

Astonishing. I'm genuinely staggered.
 
What an awful interview (not Sessler's fault). It's staggering, really. Look, most of us hate the TV-centric approach the conference went with. But this goes beyond that. The first rumours broke, what, at the start of February? Sony's conference was a week later. Since then new rumours about the console have come out almost every week. There was the Adam Orth fiasco. They've had 3 months to see how negatively they were received. They've had 3 months to look at Sony's approach – being entirely candid about the shortcomings of PS3, highly informative presentation, focus on games – and the response that garnered. And they still seem clueless. We give Nintendo shit for not seeming to know what they're doing, but Jesus Christ, this is another level altogether.

Watch Cerny's portion of the Sony conference and just how much he told us, then compare it with the vapid nothingness presented by Mattrick et al. Not a single negative rumour was addressed and what they did give us was vague at best. "Here's one box to control the living room", they said. Except it'll only be available in North America at launch, doesn't replace your cable box, can't interface with DVR and uses HDMI-CEC to control channel switching which only the newest boxes support. "We have exclusive FIFA Ultimate Team content." What is it? With how focused the whole presentation was on the US surely now is as good a time as any to rope in some of Europe. "Here are some of the games, running on Xbox One, that are only possible because of Xbox One." Where? Those are trailers. Are you guys even ready for this?

So then they decided to address all the negative shit after the conference. You'd think with 3 months they'd have some good answers for us. Nope. Every representative seemed to contradict the last. There's a used game fee, but there's no fee, but it'll be a small fee, now the fee is the full price of the game, but there's a paywall, then it's tied to your installation, then your profile, then your family can use the game on your profile, GameStop didn't know about it, but now they know how it'll work. Get your shit straight. "You have permission to play your game." Fuck off. Then as soon as it was revealed that PS4 was (supposedly) a good deal more powerful the new company line was that Xbox One would "leverage" (I wish PR people would stop using this as a verb) the infinite powah of the cloud. Oh, so it's always online? No it isn't, but it is, it checks every 24 hours, Harrison is wrong, now he's right, but we're still thinking about it, but the whole console is designed around the new age of fast internet. Which is it?

How can any of these questions surprise them? They've clearly decided that they want to take this console in a direction that makes a closed platform even more closed by adopting the most anti-consumer policies gaming has ever seen, so yeah, people are probably going to ask how it works. "We'll tell you about it later" isn't good enough when there is this much negativity. Why put any faith in them when their entire gaming division has appeared this incompetent?

So every negative rumour came true (sometimes worse), even the implied ones about them being 6 months behind in development, and we're even more confused now than before the conference. Good job, Microsoft.

Spot on as can be.
 
So there are "likely to be some games modes that you'll be able to continue to play" for an unknown amount of time in the event of my internet dropping out? Thank you for the permission.
 
What an awful interview (not Sessler's fault). It's staggering, really. Look, most of us hate the TV-centric approach the conference went with. But this goes beyond that. The first rumours broke, what, at the start of February? Sony's conference was a week later. Since then new rumours about the console have come out almost every week. There was the Adam Orth fiasco. They've had 3 months to see how negatively they were received. They've had 3 months to look at Sony's approach – being entirely candid about the shortcomings of PS3, highly informative presentation, focus on games – and the response that garnered. And they still seem clueless. We give Nintendo shit for not seeming to know what they're doing, but Jesus Christ, this is another level altogether.

Watch Cerny's portion of the Sony conference and just how much he told us, then compare it with the vapid nothingness presented by Mattrick et al. Not a single negative rumour was addressed and what they did give us was vague at best. "Here's one box to control the living room", they said. Except it'll only be available in North America at launch, doesn't replace your cable box, can't interface with DVR and uses HDMI-CEC to control channel switching which only the newest boxes support. "We have exclusive FIFA Ultimate Team content." What is it? With how focused the whole presentation was on the US surely now is as good a time as any to rope in some of Europe. "Here are some of the games, running on Xbox One, that are only possible because of Xbox One." Where? Those are trailers. Are you guys even ready for this?

So then they decided to address all the negative shit after the conference. You'd think with 3 months they'd have some good answers for us. Nope. Every representative seemed to contradict the last. There's a used game fee, but there's no fee, but it'll be a small fee, now the fee is the full price of the game, but there's a paywall, then it's tied to your installation, then your profile, then your family can use the game on your profile, GameStop didn't know about it, but now they know how it'll work. Get your shit straight. "You have permission to play your game." Fuck off. Then as soon as it was revealed that PS4 was (supposedly) a good deal more powerful the new company line was that Xbox One would "leverage" (I wish PR people would stop using this as a verb) the infinite powah of the cloud. Oh, so it's always online? No it isn't, but it is, it checks every 24 hours, Harrison is wrong, now he's right, but we're still thinking about it, but the whole console is designed around the new age of fast internet. Which is it?

How can any of these questions surprise them? They've clearly decided that they want to take this console in a direction that makes a closed platform even more closed by adopting the most anti-consumer policies gaming has ever seen, so yeah, people are probably going to ask how it works. "We'll tell you about it later" isn't good enough when there is this much negativity. Why put any faith in them when their entire gaming division has appeared this incompetent?

So every negative rumour came true (sometimes worse), even the implied ones about them being 6 months behind in development, and we're even more confused now than before the conference. Good job, Microsoft.

I quote every single word. Each and everyone of them.
 
WHAT HAPPENED THEN?!

I'm not saying that they are totally focused on games or even that their main focus is gaming, just feel slightly reassured that they have a few people in there that at least know the games industry.

After the Xbox One reveal, lack of backwards compatibility and reading the underpowered specs compared to the PS4 I've been pretty down on the Xbox as a whole so it's more me trying to take 1 positive after 100 negatives and hope that maybe they will have some decent game content at E3 as they have some people in there that know about games (OK that's a total stretch but at the moment I've got little to look forward to from MS for this next generation).
 
This shit is so confusing. Can we please get a straight answer already regarding this.

We will get one nearer the console release.

I think its very clear that Microsoft doesn't know what it's going to do on the game side of things, so we just have to wait and see.
 
He uses tablets, smartphones as an example of connected devices.

I can play games offline on these devices. All apps that does not take advantage of internet work offline. Even apps that do take advantage of internet have an offline mode, for example I can save web pages for offline reading. This is a huge deal. Many places don't have access to internet and need used games, such as events like EVO, childrens day care, hospitals, and etc. Hell I have a example, when I went to University living in halls/dorms we had internet access, but PSN and Live was blocked, but it didn't bother uis, we used to play FIFA and COD offline multiplayer or just play singleplayer games, so if this had happened when I went to University, I would be unable to play my consokle for 4 years, DAMN.
 
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