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[Azure Dream]

That's not that bad, I've seen way more extensive working happily away in retail, but maybe it's more common in the US.

The guy is really rude but he's right : no one will hire her.

Plenty of places would, I'm sure some music shops or stores like Hot Topic wouldn't mind, if she can do the job. She should probably check stores around college campuses.

 

[Trent Strong]

what a stupid girl. 'wtf I put all this shit in my face and people think I look stupid!'

GAH I blame political correctness, everyone thinks that they can just look fucking retarded and expect tolerance. that isn't how it works. I'd be surprised if this girl got trouble chucking trash in the back of trucks though.

Tolerance is the highest virtue according to liberals. Never mind that tolerance isn't always a good thing.

 

[X26]

It amazes me how quick people are to get tattoo's for the same reason, you're limiting your future options. Young women and men with full sleeves, tats on highly visible areas such as the neck and hands, pretty much all of them will regret it.

 

[teruterubozu]

No artist is good enough to put shit on my body.

 

[jorma]

after looking at her pic i wouldn't hire her with or without the piercings.

So the job centre agent should probably have told her to gtfo until she looked less ugly, right?

Job centre guy is just a bitter dude with a shitty job who gets his daily kicks out of scorning people he feels are below him on the status ladder. Ditto for a lot of posters in this thread.

She should be given the same courtesy and the same help everyone else at the job centre gets. Mentioning that her piercings would be detrimental to her chances, fine - but suggesting a paper bag over the head for interviews isn't helpful, it's just obnoxious. He should try and do his job properly by doing what he can for his clients instead of treating them like shit.

 

[Spookie]

Funny an adviser should say that. Over here we've got a few goths and one metalhead (looks like a younger Lemmy complete with New Rocks, tats and piercings. :lol)

 

[teruterubozu]

So the job centre agent should probably have told her to gtfo until she looked less ugly, right?

Job centre guy is just a bitter dude with a shitty job who gets his daily kicks out of scorning people he feels are below him on the status ladder. Ditto for a lot of posters in this thread.

She should be given the same courtesy and the same help everyone else at the job centre gets. Mentioning that her piercings would be detrimental to her chances, fine - but suggesting a paper bag over the head for interviews isn't helpful, it's just obnoxious. He should try and do his job properly by doing what he can for his clients instead of treating them like shit.

Whatever. She obviously needed a wake-up call.

 

[X26]

So the job centre agent should probably have told her to gtfo until she looked less ugly, right?

Job centre guy is just a bitter dude with a shitty job who gets his daily kicks out of scorning people he feels are below him on the status ladder. Ditto for a lot of posters in this thread.

She should be given the same courtesy and the same help everyone else at the job centre gets. Mentioning that her piercings would be detrimental to her chances, fine - but suggesting a paper bag over the head for interviews isn't helpful, it's just obnoxious. He should try and do his job properly by doing what he can for his clients instead of treating them like shit.

sup

 

[sixteen-bit]

she could become a tattoo artist

 

[jorma]

sup

not sure i understand what you are aiming for here.

 

[teruterubozu]

not sure i understand what you are aiming for here.

the heart

 

[Lucius86]

Job centre guy is just a bitter dude with a shitty job who gets his daily kicks out of scorning people he feels are below him on the status ladder. Ditto for a lot of posters in this thread.

No disrespect, but fu. I work my bloody socks off to become a better individual. I have had to make sacrifices to do that (relationship, some friends, lack of spare time, stress of exams). Do I treat people who YOU consider are below my status in life? No, because I see everyone with potential to do well for themselves to some degree if they put the effort in.

But crying that someone told her some hard facts to the paper DOES piss me off. We are all in the same boat, we all have to make sacrifices. She wants individuality? Well putting bars in her face will give her that, sure, but that comes with a consequence. That price comes with some employers not wanting to hire her for her looks. Not everyone, thankfully, but a lot.

There is no way the advisor should have been so rude to her, but the overall message is the truth.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I wouldn't hire her either

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

No disrespect, but fu. I work my bloody socks off to become a better individual. I have had to make sacrifices to do that (relationship, some friends, lack of spare time, stress of exams). Do I treat people who YOU consider are below my status in life? No, because I see everyone with potential to do well for themselves to some degree if they put the effort in.

But crying that someone told her some hard facts to the paper DOES piss me off. We are all in the same boat, we all have to make sacrifices. She wants individuality? Well putting bars in her face will give her that, sure, but that comes with a consequence. That price comes with some employers not wanting to hire her for her looks. Not everyone, thankfully, but a lot.

There is no way the advisor should have been so rude to her, but the overall message is the truth.

:lol What are the odds that the job centre guy would be a GAF poster?? Don't worry man, we don't think any less of you because of your job. And the good news is you can use your position to find a better job! Cheer up

 

[CrankyJay]

Lifestyle choice.

Bad choice. I always wonder what those douchebags with the giant earlobe earrings are going to do when they finally decide to take them out and their earlobes are grossly stretched out and nasty. :lol

 

[teruterubozu]

"Yeah! Fuck the establishment!"
*puts shit on face*
"Oh shit, I need a job"
"Hi, establishment!"
Establishment: "Fuck you"

 

[Lucius86]

:lol What are the odds that the job centre guy would be a GAF poster?? Don't worry man, we don't think any less of you because of your job. And the good news is you can use your position to find a better job! Cheer up

Lol, fair play, fair play :lol

 

[jorma]

No disrespect, but fu. I work my bloody socks off to become a better individual. I have had to make sacrifices to do that (relationship, some friends, lack of spare time, stress of exams). Do I treat people who YOU consider are below my status in life? No, because I see everyone with potential to do well for themselves to some degree if they put the effort in.

But crying that someone told her some hard facts to the paper DOES piss me off. We are all in the same boat, we all have to make sacrifices. She wants individuality? Well putting bars in her face will give her that, sure, but that comes with a consequence. That price comes with some employers not wanting to hire her for her looks. Not everyone, thankfully, but a lot.

There is no way the advisor should have been so rude to her, but the overall message is the truth.

Do you think she went to the newspaper because:
a) no one would hire her
b) she was treated like shit by her job agent

In case you think it's a) i would like to ask how you came to that conclusion. In case you think it's b) i have to wonder why it pissed you off? You admitted yourself he was out of order.

And - no disrespect! - i really don't give a shit about your "sacrifices" or how hard you work your socks in order to become a better individual. What does that have to do with anything?

 

[RevenantKioku]

the heart

AND YOU'RE TOO LATE!

OHHHH!

 

[stilgar]

Plenty of places would, I'm sure some music shops or stores like Hot Topic wouldn't mind, if she can do the job. She should probably check stores around college campuses.

Now that's a focus I just wish she's into music. Seriously though, you don't expect the guy supposed to help her finding a job to say "hey, no problem ma'am, we'll restrain the research criteria to around campuses and music shops"

It's true she could eventually find a job, however I wish her luck.

 

[Kinitari]

When someone doesn't get a job because of piercings or tattoos, it seems utterly silly to me. Has there been a study showing that people with piercings and tattoos are more likely to shoot up a work place or something?

If someone is naturally hideous, like... just... born ugly, should this person get cosmetic surgery before pursuing any sort of job?

You don't have to go that far with this mindset before you start seeing the shortfalls of it. It's nothing that can be guarded against, but it has everything to do with discrimination.

"Yeah! Fuck the establishment!"
*puts shit on face*
"Oh shit, I need a job"
"Hi, establishment!"
Establishment: "Fuck you"

*sigh* Not everyone who gets piercings or tattoo's is an Anarchist, I don't see why people would think so.

 

[teruterubozu]

When someone doesn't get a job because of piercings or tattoos, it seems utterly silly to me. Has there been a study showing that people with piercings and tattoos are more likely to shoot up a work place or something?

If someone is naturally hideous, like... just... born ugly, should this person get cosmetic surgery before pursuing any sort of job?

You don't have to go that far with this mindset before you start seeing the shortfalls of it. It's nothing that can be guarded against, but it has everything to do with discrimination.

dress code

 

[Lucius86]

Do you think she went to the newspaper because:
a) no one would hire her
b) she was treated like shit by her job agent

In case you think it's a) i would like to ask how you came to that conclusion. In case you think it's b) i have to wonder why it pissed you off? You admitted yourself he was out of order.

And - no disrespect! - i really don't give a shit about your "sacrifices" or how hard you work your socks in order to become a better individual. What does that have to do with anything?

Because you made a direct attack on people agreeing with the advisor. Simple as. You portrayed "a lot of posters in this thread" as people looking down on others, which is simply not right from my standpoint at least.

And to answer your first question, its probably mostly b) with a tiny bit of a) as well. I've said all along the advisor was wrong with the "paper bag" insult. Incredibly unprofessional. BUT he does have a point with the piercings, and the impression I get from the article is that she hasn't taken this on board. That's what pisses me off.

 

[Kinitari]

dress code

Don't get me started on dress code - if it has to do with the clothing I wear, fine. If it has to do with how I look? Less fine. Especially considering how many people get away with modifications of dress codes because of religious reasons. I am sure there are religions out their that require you to tattoo your face, maybe they get the same courtesy?

For example, my dreads - I have dreads and apparently 'no one will hire me' - at least that is what people tell me (I do have a job, and I've had it for a while, so I don't know what they are going about). I think the workplace is just one place where the conservative "everyone should look the same" mindset is still out in full force. It's depressing. If I got turned away because of my hair style, I would be confused - what does that have to do with anything?

 

[poweld]

I'd hire her to scare the shit out of people.

Also, to add to the conversation: don't get obviously off-putting body modifications if you're looking to make the average person trust you enough to run their business. I would not hire her over another unless she vastly out-performed all other candidates.

 

[iNvid02]

"its my lifestyle choice"

deal it with lady

 

[Trent Strong]

When someone doesn't get a job because of piercings or tattoos, it seems utterly silly to me. Has there been a study showing that people with piercings and tattoos are more likely to shoot up a work place or something?

If someone is naturally hideous, like... just... born ugly, should this person get cosmetic surgery before pursuing any sort of job?

You don't have to go that far with this mindset before you start seeing the shortfalls of it. It's nothing that can be guarded against, but it has everything to do with discrimination.




*sigh* Not everyone who gets piercings or tattoo's is an Anarchist, I don't see why people would think so.

All those piercings and tattoos would turn off or disturb most customers in most businesses. So of course no one would want to hire her for a job where she would have to deal with customers in any way. And why is discrimination against people with piercings and tattoos bad?

 

[WanderingWind]

When someone doesn't get a job because of piercings or tattoos, it seems utterly silly to me. Has there been a study showing that people with piercings and tattoos are more likely to shoot up a work place or something?

If someone is naturally hideous, like... just... born ugly, should this person get cosmetic surgery before pursuing any sort of job?

You don't have to go that far with this mindset before you start seeing the shortfalls of it. It's nothing that can be guarded against, but it has everything to do with discrimination.

Let's use this exact argument in the opposite direction.

"Why can't somebody dressed in a bikini/beach bum uniform/birthday suit get a regular job? Discrimination!"

You can't call discrimination on a employer enforcing a dress code to maintain a level of professionalism within their own company. Nobody is saying this girl can't get a job because of who she is. They're saying she can't get a job because what she chooses to wear doesn't fit under the majority of businesses' basic level of attire.

She could take the piercings out when she works, and replace them afterward like most people with piercings. But no, she'd rather try to whine and complain her way into a job. Fuck her.

 

[Kinitari]

All those piercings and tattoos would turn off or disturb most customers. So of course no one would want to hire her for a job where she would have to deal with customers in any way.

I can appreciate this, even though I don't like it. Ugly people would probably do the same thing, sucks for them if they want a job.

And why is discrimination against people with piercings and tattoos bad?

Why is it bad to discriminate? Uhhh...

Let's use this exact argument in the opposite direction.

"Why can't somebody dressed in a bikini/beach bum uniform/birthday suit get a regular job? Discrimination!"

I already said I can understand the clothing thing - you take it on and off, done. If I was told to change how I look entirely for a job, fuck that.

You can't call discrimination on a employer enforcing a dress code to maintain a level of professionalism within their own company. Nobody is saying this girl can't get a job because of who she is. They're saying she can't get a job because what she chooses to wear doesn't fit under the majority of businesses' basic level of attire.

"Looking professional" to me, just seems like some meaningless jargin. How does a dude who looks a little frumpy any worse of an employee who dresses like a superstar - IF their productivity is identical? Does it matter?

She could take the piercings out when she works, and replace them afterward like most people with piercings. But no, she'd rather try to whine and complain her way into a job. Fuck her.

Those piercings are going to leave large gaping holes in her skin if she takes them out, if she's going to get turned away for piercings, I don't know why they wouldn't turn her away for large holes in her face. It doesn't look professional does it?

 

[FOOTE]

There's a reputation that goes along with piercings to the face and tattoos on the body that can't easily be covered up... if she didn't want that, she should not have made it her 'life style'.

That said the recruiter is wrong. There are places that would hire her, and he's a prick for going about it the way he did. The recruiter needs to stop being lazy, and find her a fucking job.

 

[WanderingWind]

Don't get me started on dress code - if it has to do with the clothing I wear, fine. If it has to do with how I look? Less fine. Especially considering how many people get away with modifications of dress codes because of religious reasons. I am sure there are religions out their that require you to tattoo your face, maybe they get the same courtesy?

For example, my dreads - I have dreads and apparently 'no one will hire me' - at least that is what people tell me (I do have a job, and I've had it for a while, so I don't know what they are going about). I think the workplace is just one place where the conservative "everyone should look the same" mindset is still out in full force. It's depressing. If I got turned away because of my hair style, I would be confused - what does that have to do with anything?

Cool. And when you get to run your own business, you can choose to not enact any sort of dress code. That would be your right as a business owner.

"Looking professional" to me, just seems like some meaningless jargin. How does a dude who looks a little frumpy any worse of an employee who dresses like a superstar - IF their productivity is identical? Does it matter

Don't be ridiculous. While it's cute to banter about these things online, if you honestly can't understand why businesses would want to project a certain image to their clients, then you simply don't understand how businesses operate. Your "example" above is just silly, too. We're not talking about "a little frumpy." We're talking about having 20 piercings in your face and not understanding why people, given the option between other candidates, would choose the one who probably wouldn't turn customers away from the start.

 

[kitch9]

Similar numbers for everywhere else I searched, too. Also, among others:



Piercings hardly stop you washing dishes.

I'm an employer, and if she came to do the job of sweeping up I wouldn't give her the time of day I'm sorry to say....

Why the fuck should I pay someone to look like that, and why should I expect my staff to look at it?

 

[Kinitari]

Cool. And when you get to run your own business, you can choose to not enact any sort of dress code. That would be your right as a business owner.

*shrug* If I ever did have my own business (doubt it) yeah, why wouldn't I? A lot of people seem to agree with my idea that this is sort of a silly mindset, but you guys are too use to it being the 'norm'. I'm not going to go around telling business how to run themselves, I just get depressed when I think people can be turned away from a job - not because of their qualifications, but because of how they look.

 

[Shanadeus]

All those piercings and tattoos would turn off or disturb most customers in most businesses. So of course no one would want to hire her for a job where she would have to deal with customers in any way. And why is discrimination against people with piercings and tattoos bad?

And you don't think that removing those piercings and tattoos will disturb even more customers in most businesses?
She's gotten tattooed and pierced, there's nothing you can do about it and it's nothing, in my opinion, that anyone should care about if she can do her job properly.

That customers can be discriminating is also not an excuse to discriminate when hiring, you don't deny a middle-eastern a job dealing with customers just because you live in a conservative town where many categorically assume all middle-eastern people are terrorists.

 

[iapetus]

I'm an employer, and if she came to do the job of sweeping up I wouldn't give her the time of day I'm sorry to say....

Why the fuck should I pay someone to look like that, and why should I expect my staff to look at it?

So you're a shallow prick and you believe your employees to be equally shallow? Fine, more quality employees for the rest of us. If she's good at sweeping up, that's why you should employ her for that job.

Of course, she might be a fucking abysmal employee. And if that appears to be the case, then you shouldn't employ her. But refusing to employ someone based on something that has nothing to do with how well they can do their job is unnecessarily discriminatory and stupid from a business viewpoint. You might as well refuse to give her a job sweeping up because she doesn't have an MCSE qualification.

 

[Lucius86]

That customers can be discriminating is also not an excuse to discriminate when hiring, you don't deny a middle-eastern a job dealing with customers just because you live in a conservative town where many categorically assume all middle-eastern people are terrorists.

Hmmmm - but if your customers do discriminate, as a company you then need to tailor your workforce to better utilise your prescence in that area, or else you could end up losing business as customers may go elsewhere. It's not nice or right, but from a higher level decisions like that need to be made to maximise the business potential.

 

[WanderingWind]

*shrug* If I ever did have my own business (doubt it) yeah, why wouldn't I? A lot of people seem to agree with my idea that this is sort of a silly mindset, but you guys are too use to it being the 'norm'. I'm not going to go around telling business how to run themselves, I just get depressed when I think people can be turned away from a job - not because of their qualifications, but because of how they look.

The 'norm'? Please stop before you start throwing around the word "sheeple" and I lose all respect for you.

 

[Trent Strong]

And you don't think that removing those piercings and tattoos will disturb even more customers in most businesses?
She's gotten tattooed and pierced, there's nothing you can do about it and it's nothing, in my opinion, that anyone should care about if she can do her job properly.

That customers can be discriminating is also not an excuse to discriminate when hiring, you don't deny a middle-eastern a job dealing with customers just because you live in a conservative town where many categorically assume all middle-eastern people are terrorists.

Discriminating against someone because of their ethnicity or race is totally different than discriminating against someone because they choose to shove metal spikes into their faces. An extreme example would be someone who decided to smear themselves with feces and then try to get a job at Nordstrom. Nordstrom has every legal and moral right to discriminate against people who smear feces on themselves.

 

[iapetus]

Hmmmm - but if your customers do discriminate, as a company you then need to tailor your workforce to better utilise your prescence in that area, or else you could end up losing business as customers may go elsewhere. It's not nice or right, but from a higher level decisions like that need to be made to maximise the business potential.

Your ability to legally discriminate in this way is limited, of course.

In this case you probably can - by choosing to have these piercings and tattoos, she's effectively limited the number of jobs she can expect to successfully apply for. That's still fair enough, and I don't think anyone's arguing against that. The problem is with suggesting that she can't get a job where her appearance isn't relevant.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Discriminating against someone because of their ethnicity or race is totally different than discriminating against someone because they choose to shove metal spikes into their faces. An extreme example would be someone who decided to smear themselves with feces and then try to get a job at Nordstrom. Nordstrom has every legal and moral right to discriminate against people who smear feces on themselves.

I hear every one of your posts in Garth Merenghi's Romford accent!

 

[eznark]

*shrug* If I ever did have my own business (doubt it) yeah, why wouldn't I? A lot of people seem to agree with my idea that this is sort of a silly mindset, but you guys are too use to it being the 'norm'. I'm not going to go around telling business how to run themselves, I just get depressed when I think people can be turned away from a job - not because of their qualifications, but because of how they look.

Why? This is the look she chose. It's her lifestyle choice. Choices have consequences.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

I hate the amount of crap people can get for having tattoos or piercings ect.

The way i try to look at it is:
1)why does it matter if they dont interact with customers?

And

2)If businesses did start to give people who look like that a chance with customers than maybe, just maybe the general population might stop being ignorant and realise that just because someone looks different doesnt mean they cant do their job properly.

My wife has had a worry about this sort of thing before since she has red hair (as in bus red) and facial piercings. When she went for her original job with her company there were a few people who didnt like her look and didnt want to hire her, luckily they decided to hire her based on her CV and interview and since than she has been promoted a few times and has a good positon.

People need to get over this idea that you cant be proffessional if you have visible tattoos or piercings, as long as you are dressed properly and proffessional in your work than what does it matter what someone looks like?

 

[Shanadeus]

Discriminating against someone because of their ethnicity or race is totally different than discriminating against someone because they choose to shove metal spikes into their faces. An extreme example would be someone who decided to smear themselves with feces and then try to get a job at Nordstrom. Nordstrom has every legal and moral right to discriminate against people who smear feces on themselves.

I don't see how it'd be different.
Customer A doesn't want to be served by black people.
Customer B doesn't want to be served by people with piercings.

You can bet your ass on that if companies could get away with legally accommodating customer A by hiring fewer black people then they would, just as they skip people with piercings today.

Let's face it, being pierced doesn't in itself affect your work performance in any way, these people are being dismissed because either the employer, the employees or the customers are superficial douche bags and simply don't want to see the pierced person no matter what qualities he or she possess.

 

[Kinitari]

The 'norm'? Please stop before you start throwing around the word "sheeple" and I lose all respect for you.

What do you want me to say? That I think its okay that some peoples livlihoods depend on them looking like everyone else? Pretend I'm using whatever word you want, it sucks that people in a work environment (employers and clients alike) have created this ecosystem where if you don't look like everyone else (hair, makeup, tattoos, piercings) you are automatically not qualified.

 

[Trent Strong]

I hear every one of your posts in Garth Merenghi's Romford accent!

:lol Sadly, as an American, I don't even know where Romford is.

 

[big_z]

i would hire someone with piercings and tattoos if they're tasteful and present themselves well. this woman on the other hand looks like shit all around.

 

[Lucius86]

Your ability to legally discriminate in this way is limited, of course.

In this case you probably can - by choosing to have these piercings and tattoos, she's effectively limited the number of jobs she can expect to successfully apply for. That's still fair enough, and I don't think anyone's arguing against that. The problem is with suggesting that she can't get a job where her appearance isn't relevant.

Of course its very dangerous grounds for a company to discriminate in such a way, but I think we all know it happens to a certain degree.

If appearance is not a pre-requisite for the job, then I whole-heartedly agree, employment should be totally down to that person's ability at their chosen role.

But if you do have a face-to-face role, looks are so important. I read somewhere a few years back that in a job interview the first 15 seconds are the most important. I'm not sure I agree with this, but it does make you wonder what can be done in those 15 seconds - a handshake, a hi, and of course, your presentation.

 

[J. M. Romeo]

Plenty of people with funky tattoos and piercings in my line of work. I have 4 tattoos myself but none of them show if I'm wearing a shirt or a suit. Also, I plan to keep further tattoos under the wrist line/neck line and what not. No need to go overboard.

 

[WanderingWind]

What do you want me to say? That I think its okay that some peoples livelihoods depend on them looking like everyone else? Pretend I'm using whatever word you want, it sucks that people in a work environment (employers and clients alike) have created this ecosystem where if you don't look like everyone else (hair, makeup, tattoos, piercings) you are automatically not qualified.

Well, that's your right to feel that way. Personally, I think having a basic level of decorum in the workplace isn't one of society's ills.

 

[eznark]

People need to get over this idea that you cant be proffessional if you have visible tattoos or piercings, as long as you are dressed properly and proffessional in your work than what does it matter what someone looks like?

No I don't. Especially not in the current economic environment where supply far out-paces demand in the job market. (generally speaking)

Everything about an individual is evaluated on an interview, not just their resume and their ability to answer questions. If you're going to sit with a team of folks for 40-50 hours a week, the manager is going to want to know you'll fit in and get along. Coming in looking like you just got laid off from the circus starts you off in a hole that will generally be incredibly difficult to climb out of.