Byakuya769
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Still, damn near unconscionable. Now they're letting shitty movies affect other aspects of their intellectual property.
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after watching captain america, FOX & SONY, STOP MAKING MARVEL MOVIES.
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Bobby Roberts
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I'm talking about how improbable this port begging is.
Fox and Sony are two movie studios who have properties proven to make them a lot of money. Even the movies that DON'T get good word of mouth/critical reception, so long as they cleared a profit, they held onto that licensing.
The idea that they should just STOP making movies so Marvel can have their properties back is patently fucking ridiculous. It's not going to happen. Fox and Sony paid for those licenses precisely BECAUSE they saw finanical potential in them. That potential, EVEN WITH SUBPAR PRODUCT, can be realized. It has been multiple times already. There's no financial reason they should stop, and honestly, there's no real financial reason for Disney to pursue it at this moment, considering their current roster. The need isn't there to go paying hundreds of millions to make a Spider-Man movie.
But you're right that I probably shouldn't have used the word "equivalent," but "similar" instead.
edit: and again, Marvel never sold the film rights to many of their characters as a means to stay alive. They sold them for the same reason those companies bought them: They thought it'd be a decent revenue stream.
At the time those rights were sold, Marvel's ideas about staying in business had much more to do with gimmicking the living fuck out of their publishing. If movies/tv shows worked? Nice! But that was still a period where they thought of those movies/tv shows as a means to get audiences buying more of their books - not that the books would be an IP farm from which to make movies. That idea didn't enter into the picture until much more recently - after their audience had already dwindled considerably thanks to their editorial/business practices.
darkhunger
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You have no idea what Spider-Man as a franchise means to Sony... THEY HAVE NOTHING without Spider-Man, other than partial distribution rights to the Bond films that they split with Eon and MGM. This is the franchise that makes or breaks their financial year. This is a franchise that keeps the company alive long term.
Sony Pictures will never sell the rights, they might as well just liquidate the company otherwise.
Exploratory
Banned
If only it were that easy.
Yeah, Marvel films entertain me but they've never blown me away to the extent that I'd buy the DVD/Bluray and watch it every now and then. Saw The Avengers three different times in the theaters thanks to different social groups, though.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
With the direction they seem to be taking I wouldn't call it playing it completely safe. Also, they are cheap in that the lead roles don't get paid very well, with the exception of Iron Man.
Yup. Outside the seedy world of comic shops, the "Avengers" characters (Iron Man, Thor, Cap, etc.) were more or less unknown quantities, HUGELY overshadowed by Marvel's other properties. That's why Marvel still owned the film rights to them.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
What?
thats one of those circular things. comics inspire movies which inspire comics
Fury looks so badass.
Well, RDJ WAS paid very cheaply in IM1 and after a huge success, he clearly deserved more.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
lets get that, without civil war. seeing him bust into a prison to threaten dudes would be hype
You mean the direction of (TWS spoilers)
destroying shield, having Tony's parents assassinated
Loki ruling Asgard
Not to mention introducing more new characters in their next 3 movies, making that universe bigger.
Playing it safe would be doing nothing new in the foreseeable future.
As for actors getting payed, that's between them and the contract they signed. What I know for sure is Marvel has given their careers a boost.
The Silver
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I only want them to get F4 back so they can use Dr.Doom, don't care about those other scrubs.
X-Men can stay in their own universe, never made sense for them to co-exist with all the other superheroes anyway.
X-Men can stay in their own universe, never made sense for them to co-exist with all the other superheroes anyway.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
attacking crippled girls is what dark spiderman does. but putting the literal fear into some prison mooks with no costume while wearing no mask could be the dopest shit ever
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Sony needs to stop, that is not really up for debate.
Fox though, I got to say, the biggest reason I want it to happen is to bring those IPs into the MCU. And that's a very good reason. They're doing their thing though, even if the films are much more inconsistent than Marvel's output/casting/quality control. X-Men are in okayish hands.
Fox though, I got to say, the biggest reason I want it to happen is to bring those IPs into the MCU. And that's a very good reason. They're doing their thing though, even if the films are much more inconsistent than Marvel's output/casting/quality control. X-Men are in okayish hands.
Here's how far ahead of the game Marvel Studios is compared to Sony and Fox.
Here's a concept poster for Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Nothing in it indicates that this is a superhero movie. Since it's supposed to be more a 70s political spy thriller, this poster communicates this perfectly, and wouldn't look out of place as a vintage 70s movie poster or the of a cover a spy novel.
Now here's one for the Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Now there's no doubt that the execution is horrible and can't compare to the Cap 2 poster, but it's supposed to be an homage to this Spider-Man comic book cover.
http://i.imgur.com/KTYxH.jpg
That's the difference between Marvel and Sony/Fox. Marvel is differentiating its films and branching out into so many different genres, whereas Sony/Fox still views its films as guys in tights with powers superhero films.
Here's a concept poster for Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Nothing in it indicates that this is a superhero movie. Since it's supposed to be more a 70s political spy thriller, this poster communicates this perfectly, and wouldn't look out of place as a vintage 70s movie poster or the of a cover a spy novel.
Now here's one for the Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Now there's no doubt that the execution is horrible and can't compare to the Cap 2 poster, but it's supposed to be an homage to this Spider-Man comic book cover.
http://i.imgur.com/KTYxH.jpg
That's the difference between Marvel and Sony/Fox. Marvel is differentiating its films and branching out into so many different genres, whereas Sony/Fox still views its films as guys in tights with powers superhero films.
Diprosalic
Banned
In what universe were a Iron Man movie a Thor movie and a movie about a character that's called Captain fucking America safe? Revisionist history. Now they have a sci-fi movie with a walking tree and a talking raccoon as their big summer movie. How much safer can you get?
I love how people only bring up Xmen 1, 2 and Spidey but forget the lows as well. We had to deal with 2 Struggle Rider films and The Fantastic Struggle film from Fox
MCU had some lukewarm hits, but lets not act like suddenly Fox and Sony have everything under control.
Especially Fox, who ruined their own storyline and continuity for no reason what so ever and now is trying to create a big ass band-aid over it by putting in literally every character in the xmen movie series into one movie. Which will probably make it an even bigger mess.
Lol yea Fox/Sony has it altogether
MCU had some lukewarm hits, but lets not act like suddenly Fox and Sony have everything under control.
Especially Fox, who ruined their own storyline and continuity for no reason what so ever and now is trying to create a big ass band-aid over it by putting in literally every character in the xmen movie series into one movie. Which will probably make it an even bigger mess.
Lol yea Fox/Sony has it altogether
crimzonflame
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I want a Spider-Man and Human Torch buddy film.
Charles Foster Kane
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Marvel is not some beacon of quality.
And like some have pointed out, it's the filmmakers, not that studio that matters.
And like some have pointed out, it's the filmmakers, not that studio that matters.
In the case of Marvel, it's Kevin Feige that's the major guiding force in the direction the MCU films are taking, not the directors.
Good grief. Woosh.
Intheflorsh
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FOX & SONY, STOP MAKING TONS OF MONEY
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Which is probably why most stuff is by the numbers and bland.
Corpsepyre
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I'm more interested in X-Men: Days of Future Past more than anything Marvel Studios is coming out with. Thought The Avengers was crap, but have heard great things about the new Capt America as it's more of a Bourne flick. So, no. I'm good with FOX making Marvel movies (X-men).
Lets not forget Avi Arad for laying the groundwork.
I am definitely interested in DoFP rather than GotG.
Guardians of the Galaxy looks terrible. Trailer was horrendous.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Interesting fact about Days of Future Past is that it's the biggest (investment-wise) non-Cameron Fox film ever.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The "danger" in adapting Iron Man is overstated by people who are already familiar with the character and know that he's b or c tier at best. Only once they have that knowledge does Iron Man seem super-risky to bring to the screen.
But for the majority of moviegoers, most of whom don't know shit about superhero comics in general, all "Iron Man" is, is a recognizable name, a recognizable face, and a premise that is pretty cool.
The risk was pulling it off winningly. Jon Favreau makes crowd-pleasers for cheap. Robert Downey Jr. is a likable guy.
It was a managed risk. Not saying it wasn't risky. But once Iron Man hits, making a Thor movie isn't "risky." People often act like Marvel was standing at the craps table rolling consecutive 7s on an incredible streak. They were making smart bets. They weren't gambling on longshot odds.
It's the same principle that saw 1997's Men in Black become a very successful comic-book movie, based on a comic-book most people had never heard of in their life. Didn't matter. Premise was salable, stars were likable, director was good at making fun crowd-pleasers.
It's not as innovative as it seems unless you're not really looking at other movies for comparison.
So a 80s buddy cop action film (Iron Man 3), a fantasy adventure (Thor 2), a 70s political thriller (Cap 2) and space opera (Guardians of the Galaxy) is bland and by the numbers? Sure, whatever.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I wonder how much of that money was getting the cast together.
Exotoro
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meh... I wouldn't call doing Iron Man as your first movie as safe. I never even heard of Iron Man before that movie. thor was pretty risky too. hulk and cap were playing it safer.
and it's not like the other studios aren't trying to do the same thing.
Bobby Roberts
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You just explained how original those movies are by comparing them to formulaic genres containing large numbers of films.
you do realize your beloved Fox and Sony are trying to replicate the same thing. And what risks did Sony and Fox take? Ruining FFand Ghost Rider. At least Fox fucking threw in the towel with Daredevil.
we have varied genres of movies coming from Marvel Studios. They are adapting freaking Ant-man. playing safe...
sure if you say so.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
I would rank slapping Bullseye around like a 2 dollar ho is doper.
we can get the dopeness of american eagle, maybe even the 50 states initiative without civil war involvement
Marvel just needs to keep trying to expand the Inhumans and then use them as a replacement for mutants in their movies.
Everyone else is putting out garbage so...
Everyone else is putting out garbage so...
IncandescentPrecept
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He's still a guy in a robot suit and that would appeal more to people who didn't know him (especially with the Transformers rage). That's much safer than a god of thunder or a universal soldier. They went even safer by making Tony Stark a cool character.
Since more than one person is misinterpreting my "Marvel Studios films play it safe" comment, I'll expand a bit. I'm not talking about the IP's they've greenlit, which seems to be what people think I was getting at. Sure, Thor or GotG aren't safe in terms of their concept.
But I'm talking about the films themselves, all of which are standard superhero movie 101. The character arcs, the conflict set up, the climax, the resolution, all of this is very by the numbers stuff in its execution. The storytelling never progresses to anything beyond serviceable. None of these films has the feeling of the hand of a true driving creative vision behind them. You KNEW the Spider-Man movies were Sam Raimi movies. You could feel that in every frame.They were dripping in his sensibilities and sense of humor. Every MCU movie so far feels like it could have been directed by anyone, or by committee. Which they are essentially are. They feel like assembly line productions with no soul of their own and no singular voice behind them.
But I'm talking about the films themselves, all of which are standard superhero movie 101. The character arcs, the conflict set up, the climax, the resolution, all of this is very by the numbers stuff in its execution. The storytelling never progresses to anything beyond serviceable. None of these films has the feeling of the hand of a true driving creative vision behind them. You KNEW the Spider-Man movies were Sam Raimi movies. You could feel that in every frame.They were dripping in his sensibilities and sense of humor. Every MCU movie so far feels like it could have been directed by anyone, or by committee. Which they are essentially are. They feel like assembly line productions with no soul of their own and no singular voice behind them.
peanutbutterlatte
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Fuck, we better abolish the whole "genre" classification entirely. Anything that is like anything else in any way is formulaic. Jesus christ man.
Chezzymann
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Everyone, stop watching Xmen and Spidey movies until Fox and Sony lose their rights! Don't even buy the DVDS.
Movie Tony is basically comic Tony back in the day before certain character developments.
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