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[lo escondido]

WTF is that piece of Land between Somalia and Eritrea?

Djibouti

 

[Mustaphadamus]

The West doesn't give a fuck about Algeria. They'll be silenced quickly

The west cares about the people of Algeria, no. But they do love their oil.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Djibouti

Yep, I goofed on that one. At least it's in the area.

 

[Mustaphadamus]

You could actually ask the same about the former with Egypt too.



I don't either. I was saying the French government does have an interest in the region.

no, no you can't. there are Jews in Egypt. In fact one of the famous old time Egyptian Singers was a Jew. Layla Murad, she had such a lovely voice and the people of Egypt of all ethnicity and religious background loved her.

 

[7aged]

Some pictures of the protests in Yemen, copied from another forum.
These are from the city of Ta'izz:

 

[norinrad]

This won't last long, knowing what goes down in Yemen during the afternoons

 

[RustyNails]

Yemen is one of the poorest countries on earth with a semi-functioning state. It's still pretty amazing that they were able to organize something like that and get couple of hundred people to the streets.

 

[Nekofrog]

Some pictures of the protests in Yemen, copied from another forum.
These are from the city of Ta'izz:

What a sausage-fest.

 

[jamesinclair]

Yemen is the Arizona of the middle east.

 

[Victarion]

Damn, when will it be Iran's turn, those motherfuckers need to go.

 

[Jeels]

something is stirring up in in Pakistan... But nothing substantial from what I have gathered.

Pakistan Revolution... Inqillab means Revolution...

It will never happen in Pakistan, and if it did, there would be blood spilled all over the place. Seriously, Pakistan is nothing like these North African and Middle Eastern countries when it comes to education of the average citizen and unity among the different parts of the country.

 

[7aged]

What's with the Yemen hate here?

 

[7aged]

video of protests in Oran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FY2FAlL6to

 

[Vic]

This won't last long, knowing what goes down in Yemen during the afternoons

Khat break time?

 

[Enco]

It will never happen in Pakistan, and if it did, there would be blood spilled all over the place. Seriously, Pakistan is nothing like these North African and Middle Eastern countries when it comes to education of the average citizen and unity among the different parts of the country.

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Good luck to the Algerians.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

So, when are the riots starting?

 

[Neo C.]

After Tunesia and Egypt now Algeria and Yemen?

Excellent.

 

[norinrad]

After Tunesia and Egypt now Algeria and Yemen?

Excellent.

Algeria maybe, Yemen? hell no.

The youth were out protesting on Friday and disappeared during lunchtime. The president will still be there come 2012 unless something drastic happens which i highly doubt

 

[Instigator]

Algerian Jews decided to leave the country. Worse, they decided they are not algerian when France offered them the opportunity to be French citizen (as opposed to Muslims who were treated like non-human shit with barely no civil rights) and this was back in1870! Once the revolution started in 1954, they failed again to show support to muslim algerians and chose their side with the French. When France got kikced out of Algeria in 1962 they continued to act like the French and left the country and went back "home".

Interesting white-washed view of the events. You say they thought they were more French then Algerian so when France left, they left too. I actually don't disagree this was the case for a large chunk of them, but those who actually stayed were also forced to leave (or were simply killed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oran_massacre_of_1962#Event

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War#Pieds-Noirs.27_and_Harkis.27_exodus

The Algerian war of independence was a very bloody mess. France deserves a lot of the blame for this, but the FLN was hardly a magnaminous group during and particularly right after the war.

 

[7aged]

Algeria maybe, Yemen? hell no.

The youth were out protesting on Friday and disappeared during lunchtime. The president will still be there come 2012 unless something drastic happens which i highly doubt

Quite the opposite IMO. Yemen more likely to succeed. "Officer Ali"'s rule is already precarious.

 

[EricHasNoPull]

This thread is fucking awesome, I read every single post from post number 1 all the way to the post above mine. Some of them were of course narrow minded idiocy. But most were very educated posts. I love world view GAF. Especially when it involves the oldest, most religiously and politically complicated parts of the world.

Here's hoping for a brighter future in the Mid-East and more power and freedom to the people.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

none of these are on CNN's front page

 

[norinrad]

none of these are on CNN's front page

Why would it? CNN loves sensation

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Can't wait for Libya's turn.

 

[SouthernDragon]

One of the guys in the Yemen photo looks doped out. : (

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

There's a lot of dudes at these rallies...

 

[norinrad]

One of the guys in the Yemen photo looks doped out. : (

He's been chewing

 

[Mustaphadamus]

Besides, the Monarchy has presented itself as the protectorate of Mecca and Medina, which sort of started with King Fahd during the mid 80s. To go against the Kingdom is to go against Islam and putting Mecca and Medina in danger. Not happening in a million billion years.

ummmm nope, Islam and monarchies don't mix. It is forbidden so that assumption is inaccurate. The only reason as has been stated the monarchy will stay in power is for the same reason the oligarchy in America will remain. You give them dumb dumbs trinkets and they will go play in their corners happily like monkeys. Take those away, then you might have something.

 

[Chrono]

There's a lot of dudes at these rallies...

Lack of women gives you a good idea on how much progress is going to happen in those places, democracy or not.

ummmm nope, Islam and monarchies don't mix. It is forbidden so that assumption is inaccurate. The only reason as has been stated the monarchy will stay in power is for the same reason the oligarchy in America will remain. You give them dumb dumbs trinkets and they will go play in their corners happily like monkeys. Take those away, then you might have something.

It's different than those other monkeys that play with stringed beads and repeat and do whatever some guy in a turban tells them to. Now those monkeys are hardcore, you need more than trinkets to keep them off your back. (or maybe, just maybe, people are happy with their lives and don't want your idea of how things should be? There are all kinds of people of course).

On a semi-related note, I think it might come to the point where some of those middle eastern countries allied to the US will try to get the people on their side by being anti-american/israeli. I can see Jordan cutting off relations with Israel and even leaving the peace treaty. King Abudllah isn't going to favor Israel over his own survival. Saudi Arabia might step in with fund him with whatever the US might cut in return. Or Jordan could be more like Syria, a mysterious country that manages to be a more brutal and oppressive arab government than most or all its neighbors while not being 'backed' by uhmerika.

 

[Mustaphadamus]

Lack of women gives you a good idea on how much progress is going to happen in those places, democracy or not.



It's different than those other monkeys that play with stringed beads and repeat and do whatever some guy in a turban tells them to. Now those monkeys are hardcore, you need more than trinkets to keep them off your back. (or maybe, just maybe, people are happy with their lives and don't want your idea of how things should be? There are all kinds of people of course).

On a semi-related note, I think it might come to the point where some of those middle eastern countries allied to the US will try to get the people on their side by being anti-american/israeli. I can see Jordan cutting off relations with Israel and even leaving the peace treaty. King Abudllah isn't going to favor Israel over his own survival. Saudi Arabia might step in with fund him with whatever the US might cut in return. Or Jordan could be more like Syria, a mysterious country that manages to be a more brutal and oppressive arab government than most or all its neighbors while not being 'backed' by uhmerika.

Replace the "some guy in a turban" with some marketing Ad Exec and the "stringed beads" with iphones and xboxs and you have the flip side of that coin. The difference, in one instance you have people fighting for survival and in the other people are fighting to remain economic slaves.

 

[RustyNails]

ummmm nope, Islam and monarchies don't mix. It is forbidden so that assumption is inaccurate. The only reason as has been stated the monarchy will stay in power is for the same reason the oligarchy in America will remain. You give them dumb dumbs trinkets and they will go play in their corners happily like monkeys. Take those away, then you might have something.

I understand the way it's supposed to work, but that is now how it works in KSA. Over there people are conditioned (I want to say brainwashed, but it's too strong a word) to believe that the sanctity of Masjid Al Haram and Masjid Al Nabwi is inexplicably tied to the security of the monarchy. This started around the early 80s when Kings of KSA threw away their royal titles and replaced them with one title: "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, King ____ bin Abdul Aziz". The youths over there may not be so conditioned as their parents' generation, but there is a sort of hesitancy over there if someone says "lets revolt". When I was there, such words were sedition-talk and you could be executed for uttering them.

 

[Chrono]

Replace the "some guy in a turban" with some marketing Ad Exec and the "stringed beads" with iphones and xboxs and you have the flip side of that coin. The difference, in one instance you have people fighting for survival and in the other people are fighting to remain economic slaves.

The monkeys I'm talking about aren't fighting to survive, they're fighting to impose the backward views of their, uh, let's call him their head monkey.

The flip side of the coin as you describe it is as delusional and stupid as glenn beck's rants on big government, you're just on the left side of it.

By the way, you have no idea how hilarious it is to see a leftist muslim talk about 'economic slavery' when your prophet was a pro-slavery businessman (that's actual slavery, the kind that if you've been through you'd pray and beg night and day for 'economic slavery' with iphones and xboxes). Although he urged his followers to treat them well, he gets credit for that. LOL.

 

[L0st Id3ntity]

By the way, you have no idea how hilarious it is to see a leftist muslim talk about 'economic slavery' when your prophet was a pro-slavery businessman (that's actual slavery, the kind that if you've been through you'd pray and beg night and day for 'economic slavery' with iphones and xboxes). Although he urged his followers to treat them well, he gets credit for that. LOL.

Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) eventually freed slaves were war prisoners, he even prohibited war prisoners except when the battle was in self-defence. He also has a famous saying: "The worst kind of humans are those who trade humans".

In "Bani Almostaleg" battle he married a women of the defeated tribe so that all his companions would free all of their prisoners (they said we can't enslave a person related to the prophet's wife, so they freed them all).

A cute little story: when mohammad was born, his uncle's slave delivered the news to him, his uncle was so overjoyed he freed her lol.

And on the other end, some of his last words on his death bed were: "Prayer prayer, and beware god of your slaves".

Meer Ismail, a medieval historian, writes in Buloogh al Muram that his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves.

You see, Mohammad's whole prophecy was about freeing human beings from slavery of all kinds, the word Islam itself has the meaning of anti-slavery and submission.

Pro-slavery indeed.

 

[Chrono]

Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) eventually freed slaves were war prisoners, he even prohibited war prisoners except when the battle was in self-defence. He also has a famous saying: "The worst kind of humans are those who trade humans".

In "Bani Almostaleg" battle he married a women of the defeated tribe so that all his companions would free all of their prisoners (they said we can't enslave a person related to the prophet's wife, so they freed them all).

A cute little story: when mohammad was born, his uncle's slave delivered the news to him, his uncle was so overjoyed he freed her lol.

And on the other end, some of his last words on his death bed were: "Prayer prayer, and beware god of your slaves".

Meer Ismail, a medieval historian, writes in Buloogh al Muram that his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves.

You see, Mohammad's whole prophecy was about freeing human beings from slavery of all kinds, the word Islam itself has the meaning of anti-slavery and submission.

Pro-slavery indeed.

Sorry, I'll rephrase what I last said - he gets credit for treating them well AND freeing them. He didn't, however, BAN slavery. Never said it was 'haram'. Historically muslims were some of the biggest slave traders. For fuck's sake slaves were traded in saudi arabia in the 20th century.

As far as freeing human beings from all kinds of slavery, that's what every fucking utopian ideology believes in and the opposite is always true. Islam itself is a form of slavery as far as I'm concerned. Worse than real slavery I'd say. Women are a good example of this, many of them suffering under it would defend islam and their positions in it while occasionally and hypocritically denying one or two aspects they don't like. Muslim slaves are like the black slaves that were convinced into thinking its their place to be slaves and that they're happy to be slaves. There really is nothing worse.

And please don't reply with some charity your prophet did, you want to turn this discussion about islam's pinnacle of virtue go ahead - but I'm not going to enter a discussion with you about a vile and medieval warlord being the light of humanity.

 

[L0st Id3ntity]

Fact is the only permitted form of slavery in Islam is war prisoners, and the slaves had several ways of becoming free immediately, like teaching a muslim how to write/read or any other useful knowledge. What Saudis did is their own business, just like what Al-Qaeda think is "jihad", I'm not defending any messed up practice covered in the name of Islam.

Slavery was extremely widespread before islam in the arab peninsula, it was a huge population, banning it immediately would've been irrational and could've created chaos plus people will be reluctant in joining islam. Just like how islam banned alchohol eventually not immediately.

How exactly do you perceive women as slaves in islam? You know I'm also not interested in a discussion where my opposition thinks being a muslim is worse than being a slave to another human lol.

 

[Phantast2k]

(..)
Slavery was extremely widespread before islam in the arab peninsula, it was a huge population, banning it immediately would've been irrational and could've created chaos plus people will be reluctant in joining islam. Just like how islam banned alchohol eventually not immediately.
(...)

The high point of Arab slave trade was well after that pbuh dude came along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

Historians agree between 11 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900,[4][5][6] compared to 9.4 to 14 million Africans brought to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade[7] from 15th century to the early 19th century.

I'd link a research paper, but I can't find it on my hdd.
Modern day slavery in the Arab world goes beyond the Saudi shit: Slavery in modern-day Mauritania

 

[L0st Id3ntity]

Yeah well those actions only speak about those people who practiced them, they have nothing to do with islam's original teachings.

 

[kobashi100]

nice discussion on the Yemen protests. lot of talk on how America is behind all these protests in the Arab world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQ6mXZZ_x0&feature=player_embedded#at=190