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Screaming Meat
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Prometheus was pretty poor. It was a confused, poorly paced, boring mess. It had too many pointless characters; characters who made numerous unearned logical leaps or cringe-inducing decisions. They were all dragged along by the plot rather than driving it. It had too many creatures too, with not enough screen time each and few discernible 'rules'. The art direction and Fassbender's alone time at the start were its only saving graces.
Alien 3 was a better movie.
Alien 3 was a better movie.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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And the effect was so well done. That scene stuck with me for a while, though it was strange when Shaw was doing full combat rolls, jumps and sprints afterwards.
Killer Queen
Banned
Agreed on all accounts, visually Prometheus is an outstanding movie, story wise it's alright, but I think the hate it gets is pretty unwarranted. Especially since the main complaint is "They're scientists! They're not acting very scientist like!" Okay sure, they do dunb things, but they're human and its really not that outlandish for scientists to let their curiosity run wild, which is why they're scientists in the first place;they're curious and interested in discovering stuff. I don't have any problems with qualitative analysis as it's apart of the scientific method then you also factor in the suspension of disbelief as it's a fictional movie and they need to move the plot along. The series has always been about messing with things you shouldn't have since the first film so I don't see why it's out of place here.
Prometheus was pretty poor. It was a confused, poorly paced, boring mess. It had too many pointless characters; characters who made numerous unearned logical leaps or cringe-inducing decisions. They were all dragged along by the plot rather than driving it. It had too many creatures too, with not enough screen time each and few discernible 'rules'. The art direction and Fassbender's alone time at the start were its only saving graces.
Alien 3 was a better movie.
I agree. Alien 3 AC was fantastic.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Why Prometheus always has people bending over backwards to defend it on an aesthetic level is beyond me. Everything about the movie, in terms of its design, was completely and totally derivative of previous works of science fiction and fantasy, including Ridley Scott's own filmography, and to the extent that good cinematography is about using framing, perspective, focus, and all the other visual tools to communicate about what is happening on the screen that you would not necessarily pick up on just listening to the dialogue, the cinematography is adequate, at best.
The notion that anybody defends it is just flabbergasting. It's a movie featuring some of the stupidest characters ever put into a film acting out a story with no tension (because the whole thing is so predictable, in a bad way), no logic to the moment-to-moment happenings of the plot, no overall coherence, no humanity or depth to the characters or the way they relate to each other, no memorable performances, no NOTHING. It's not even "so bad it's good" because it's so damn pretentious and self-serious, with faith and religion tackled in probably the most mind-numbingly stupid, nonsensical, and shallow ways they could be, like someone took a bad college sketch group's parody of an Ingmar Bergman movie and stuffed it into the worst kind of mindless Hollywood crap.
The notion that anybody defends it is just flabbergasting. It's a movie featuring some of the stupidest characters ever put into a film acting out a story with no tension (because the whole thing is so predictable, in a bad way), no logic to the moment-to-moment happenings of the plot, no overall coherence, no humanity or depth to the characters or the way they relate to each other, no memorable performances, no NOTHING. It's not even "so bad it's good" because it's so damn pretentious and self-serious, with faith and religion tackled in probably the most mind-numbingly stupid, nonsensical, and shallow ways they could be, like someone took a bad college sketch group's parody of an Ingmar Bergman movie and stuffed it into the worst kind of mindless Hollywood crap.
CadetMahoney
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I remember hearing how Noomi Rapace was going to take a step back from major screentime in this, people pointed to it saying it's proof the studio was shook about the audience being reminded of Prometheus. Then news later how she's now taking a bigger role. Wonder if that was related.
It's highest praise (aesthetics) are not bad, but nothing to write home about either imo.
Everything else drags the film down beyond redemption. People only remember it for it's gregarious baggage (dumb shit characters).
It's highest praise (aesthetics) are not bad, but nothing to write home about either imo.
Everything else drags the film down beyond redemption. People only remember it for it's gregarious baggage (dumb shit characters).
It is.
I'm not even talking about the lack of meaningful ties to Alien. Just as a sci-fi thriller it's bad. There's zero logic to anything happening in that movie.
Killer Queen
Banned
With posts like these it makes me feel like Ridley Scott broke into your house and looked you dead in the eye while he pissed in your morning cereal and all over your counters. I will agree with some criticisms and complaints and I can see where you're coming from on other issues, but that's not to say this isn't incredibly hyperbolic.
I won't deny that it's a shallow movie that attempts to be more than it is, and sure it's derivative, but none of these things are awful in any sense, at worst it's middling and sits between a large amount of legitimately middling to awful Hollywood films, of which there are plenty and good films. Which really, the professional critic consensus seems to be in line with if the Rotten Tomato score is any indication. It doesn't achieve the high cinema it tries to but it's a more interesting film than any in the series that isn't titled "Alien" and in my opinion is more entertaining.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Sometimes i feel like the only person alive who actually enjoys the engineers, their design and portrayal and even their role in the story/lore of everything.
I would love to see a group of Engineers take on a crazy large xenomorph... or a more subdued Engineer have more of a conversation with that robots head or something.
I would love to see a group of Engineers take on a crazy large xenomorph... or a more subdued Engineer have more of a conversation with that robots head or something.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Ridley Scott made one of the shittier films of the modern era - and yes, it is WORSE than the vast majority of Hollywood crap precisely because its pretense undermines even the ability to enjoy it on an ironic level, whereas Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich films know exactly how bad they are and at least achieve the goal of being mindless - so he deserves to get called out on it. I give not a crap about the professional critic consensus. Critics of every era are almost always wrong, biased to favor glitz and star power, as evidenced by great film after great film receiving middling to bad reviews in their time, and year after year of critically-lauded crap waltzing on to receive Oscar nominations. What is "interesting" about it? Does a movie not have to have a cogent, original idea to be interesting? In what respect is watching a bunch of cardboard cutouts who constantly engage in the dumbest possible action "entertaining"? What is there to enjoy in an action sci-fi movie without a single well-done, plot hole-free, head scratch-free setpiece?
Garcia el Gringo
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I was waiting to see if Noomi Rapace/Shaw was going to be involved in this sequel, considering the possibility of her involvement in production and the story to be a secret. Some people asserted their incorrect conclusions about Scott passing on her based off of Fox's Covenant synopsis and a questionable Scott quote from an undependable source with overconfidence.
I love it too. I'm happy to see a few more people on here whose main takeaway from Prometheus was how fascinating its mythology is.
Killer Queen
Banned
And what makes you any more right than any critic? It's your opinion against theirs, except they're arguably more credible as they're considered professionals.
And for someone that complains about a film being pretentious, you come across as such yourself whilst being hyperbolic.
Your opinion is your opinion and that's fine, we can agree to disagree and move on but your opinion is just that, an opinion and not fact. If you believe it to be less enjoyable and more poorly made than the majority of Hollywood films then no one can convince you otherwise, but it certainly isn't a fact nor even reality.
But like I said, agree to disagree.
Fallout-NL
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Agreed, it's awful in almost every single way. The only thing I liked was David's fascination for Lawrence of Arabia, but none of that paid off.
These badass/awesome action movies, where the first time some shots is like 45 minutes in.
Nah, that was Vincent Ward's idea.
Alien 3 is rather divisive. It's developed a stronger reputation in recent years, though, so I'd give it the time of day -- you may find yourself appreciating what it has to offer.
'You become what you fight'
I wish Prometheus had been more visually derivative of Alien. By far the most annoying aesthetic choice was to break from the established look of that universe and introduce full-room hologram projection, etc. I know there's the "blue collar worker/science vessel" argument between Prometheus and the Nostromo but it's such a huge leap, with nothing really linking the two visually.
Monocle
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I don't mean to scandalize you but it's possible that Prometheus gave some people an enjoyable aesthetic experience, and they managed to overlook the movie's flaws, which you've succeeded in overstating with the most obnoxiously hyperbolic terms.
Why did this need its own post?
New thread for new news.
News? Did people think that the film was going to shoot indefinitely?
Monocle
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What's your angle exactly? You're acting like we don't have loads of threads about games going gold and movies wrapping.
When was the last thread we had for a film wrapping? I don't recall seeing one recetntly.
Why is it okay to have threads about games going gold but not movies? There's tons of threads stating that a movie begins shooting and recently we had one for The Justice League wrapping.
thelastcrusader
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Didn't even know this was a thing. Hell yeah. Prometheus was good but I love Aliens in general.
To be fair the Justice League wrap was accompanied by a new video showing behind the scenes footage.
You ignored my question.
It's not like there is a new one each week.
We had a thread for GotG Vol.2, Logan, Thor: Ragnarok, Justice League, Wonder Woman... these threads are also sometimes mixed with other news so most of them don't say "... is finished shooting".
Settle down, son.
That's apples to oranges given that games going gold have a much shorter gold to release time table. This film doesn't get released until August.
We know when the film is coming out, they set the release date before they even started filming. That is set in stone.
If the film started production then surely it must come to an end at some point? What about this makes it newsworthy enough to start a thread?
I don't understand why the OP couldn't have just updated an existing Alien Covenant thread with this non news.
If the game started production then surely it must come to an end at some point, too. Your criteria for what is newsworthy and what isn't seems to be rather contrived.
Maybe Alien 4 is more your bag then.
Vincent Grayson
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Alien 4 isn't a great Alien movie, but it is a fun watch at least once, for all the weird shit.
Fancy Clown
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"Curiosity running wild" doesn't begin to cover the things they do in this movie. In fact it's like the opposite. The very first thing the biologist does in the film after seeing corpses of aliens--the thing he's come all this way to find--is to run away and get lost with the guy who mapped out the whole place, and then they decide that because they are lost, scared, and out of communication with the rest of the team, it would be a good idea to get high. And only then when the biologist again sees an alien, only this time it's alive and visibly angry, he is no longer scared and in fact wants to touch it like a toddler might. WHO WRITES THIS STUFF? Like none of that makes sense. I don't know how someone could commit that to the page and think "yes, this is acceptable". And that's only one sequence in a movie full of debilitatingly stupid stuff.
Count me in with the "no amount of slick, commercial cinematography and nice production design can make up for everything else about the movie" camp.
Prometheus has an awful story but the characters are what truly destroy the movie. They are all humourless morons and show no guile or compassion. To go from Ripley, Hicks and Newt to them is just painful. At no point did I give a shit about any of them, David was the only vaguely interesting character and he was a psychopath.
It really is a bad movie, the characters and writing and main story are so ridiculously bad/lazy, but it's watchable and looks fantastic.
Thread whining /and/ terrible manners. No need for either.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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"It's really not a bad movie"?!?!?!
*head explodes
Prometheus is beyond awful. It makes Alien Resurrection look like high art.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
I'm not overstating jack. It really is that bad.
It's certainly not a good one either.
Vincent Grayson
Member
This is just silly. Whatever issues you might have with characters doing stupid things (which is, as I will always say, a thing people do sometimes), the rest of the movie is fantastic. It's beautifully shot and composed, well directed, and has a few really great scenes.
I get that some people can't get past a few characters doing a dumb thing, but otherwise, I totally don't get the hatred for Prometheus.
How ironic.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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It's not just a few characters. The movie is pretty much constant stupidity and illogic, and not a one of the characters is remotely well-written to compensate.
Lightning Count
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Very rare I go to the cinema these days and never day one.
But for this I will do both. Name your date and shut up and take my money.
But for this I will do both. Name your date and shut up and take my money.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I fucking loved Prometheus. It has some problems but they don't bother me in the slightest when taking the film as a whole. Probably the best 3D Blu-ray I have ever seen as well.
Cannot wait for this, will probably be Christmas 2017 before I see it though.
Cannot wait for this, will probably be Christmas 2017 before I see it though.
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