frankie_baby
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Sorry meant late 2013 games
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All of a sudden, the Wii U doesn't look as bad...
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Sorry meant late 2013 games
For those wondering how or why things "appear" different for Nintendo and the WiiU, I'll reiterate what others have said.
Up until yesterday there was no clear picture of what next gen would look like in regards to what MS was offering. We have/had a partial picture of Sony's plans but really wont "see" them in action till E3.
So many people have been preaching how MS & Sony are going to release consoles with tech and features that are going to blow them out of the water. Well the reality is that MS & Sony's nextgen offering are not the huge leaps people where hoping for. Not only is the are the offerings and leaps from MS not what people anticipated, if what is emerging is true some of their plans (MS) are downright bad/stupid.
E3 is going to make things even clearer, and Nintendo is going to look even better after it. Watch for a bump in their stock to boot.
I'm curious to what Sony is thinking and planning. I have a feeling they may be pivoting on some ideas after the MS conference yesterday to try and capitalize and differentiate themselves further, but will see come E3.
Up until yesterday there was no clear picture of what next gen would look like in regards to what MS was offering. We have/had a partial picture of Sony's plans but really wont "see" them in action till E3.
So many people have been preaching how MS & Sony are going to release consoles with tech and features that are going to blow them out of the water. Well the reality is that MS & Sony's nextgen offering are not the huge leaps people where hoping for. Not only is the are the offerings and leaps from MS not what people anticipated, if what is emerging is true some of their plans (MS) are downright bad/stupid.
E3 is going to make things even clearer, and Nintendo is going to look even better after it. Watch for a bump in their stock to boot.
I'm curious to what Sony is thinking and planning. I have a feeling they may be pivoting on some ideas after the MS conference yesterday to try and capitalize and differentiate themselves further, but will see come E3.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
I had a PS3 this gen and was thinking of switching to the next Xbox since the 360 was almost always the lead console and all of my friends have a 360 so I could play online with them. But after the disaster of a reveal, I'm staying away from the Xbox One. PS4 not even an option due to the YLOD debacle. Not trusting them again with hardware.
So for me it looks like I'll pick a Wii U up on the cheap and go Wii U + PC. It's the smart decision.
So for me it looks like I'll pick a Wii U up on the cheap and go Wii U + PC. It's the smart decision.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Aside from it (the Wii u) no other next gen console has backwards compatibility so from a raw games point of view those games do matter maybe not much but they do. As during the launch drought there's no games from the previous gen to fill out holes missing in release schedule.
This is not about Wii U not looking as bad, Nintendo still needs to have a great E3 or burst.
This is about market outlook, XB1 is not really a menacing competitor for Nintendo. I mean, it could be for the casual market, but here Nintendo has the advantage of the price (at list for the first years they can go quite below the price for XB1). And on the casual market you have also the touch devices. I think that for this market a powerful tablet to come will be more appealling than a console with the same price.
PS4 and Nintendo can "live" together quite nice on the gamers market and provide the necessary diversity to keep this hobby fun.
This is about market outlook, XB1 is not really a menacing competitor for Nintendo. I mean, it could be for the casual market, but here Nintendo has the advantage of the price (at list for the first years they can go quite below the price for XB1). And on the casual market you have also the touch devices. I think that for this market a powerful tablet to come will be more appealling than a console with the same price.
PS4 and Nintendo can "live" together quite nice on the gamers market and provide the necessary diversity to keep this hobby fun.
gamergirly
Member
Word of mouth doesn't guarantee Microsoft this holiday season. As tight as people are on money these days, they will be taking a 2nd look at Wii U and its friendly used games market
frankie_baby
Member
kinect looked like a game changer til people got it home, i'm not sure many people want to pay for more of the same (even if it apparently works this time)
There's no assumption there. I only made an observation of how things are now. I did not make a statement of fact about how things are going to be in the future. I haven't flipped my argument. I've been saying the exact same thing for pages now.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
The PS4 is a full generational leap over the Wii U, it completely destroys it in every way. It didn't get its specs chopped in half because of Microsoft's blunder yesterday. It's still in another gen tech-wise compare to the U. I'd say the XB1 is as well -- the Forza trailer and the Quantum Break screens looked very next-gen. /shrug
The Wii U is a colossal failure. Yesterday's debacle doesn't change a thing and it shows an unprecedented level of desperation from Nintendo fans to think otherwise. It's still woefully underpowered, it's still not going to get the vast majority of 3rd-party support, it's still bombing at an unprecedented level for a major new console, it's still got a barebones online feature-set compared to Live and PSN, it's a failure in every regard (save for Miiverse, which I think is quite neat). The Gamepad is a complete joke. That one GI.biz article from the other day was right on the money... it's like a Fisher Price toy with dreadful battery life. It has done barely anything to improve gameplay in any tangible way. Embarrassingly its best feature has nothing to do with improving gameplay, it's off-tv play, but then you realize you're playing on an awful quality screen on a controller with 3 hours of battery life.
This platform is not salvageable, that's the cold-hard truth right there. There is no Wii Sports-like phenomenon to capture the masses this time around (a Wii Sports U isn't going to cut it, either). Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Smash Bros. aren't going to make sales skyrocket back to itprintsmoney.gif days. Do I have to explain why? Please, I've typed enough already. The 3DS 'rebound' is in no way comparable to the situation the Wii U is in. All of what I've said in this post is plain as day to anyone with some common sense and a little foresight. It's just unbelievable to me how difficult it is to grasp for so many.
So, wise man, tell us why would anyone buy XB1 when there is PS4? (you have racing game and COD on that too).
We will come back at the Nintendo core games potential later this year.
dragonfart28
Banned
Yesterday's announcement for Microsoft was so unexpectedly horrible, that there is no question it has bumped up Wii U in terms of mindshare.
In fact, it's not only damaged MS, but to some extent, is indirectly impacting Sony.
Think about the prospect of "Next Gen" before the reveal yesterday and it seemed to be a moderately promising idea to most gamers. Microsoft's reveal has effectively tainted the concept and could possibly scare away consumers from wanting to invest early on.
Now everyone is seriously worrying about backwards compatibility, online DRM, higher cost games, and visuals that, frankly, are lacking for what next gen systems should be delivering.
That could be disastrous for both Sony and MS.
Nintendo's "sales woes" seem comparatively mild when contrasted by the glut of horrible news we've been getting about Xbox One and the 'future of gaming'.
In fact, it's not only damaged MS, but to some extent, is indirectly impacting Sony.
Think about the prospect of "Next Gen" before the reveal yesterday and it seemed to be a moderately promising idea to most gamers. Microsoft's reveal has effectively tainted the concept and could possibly scare away consumers from wanting to invest early on.
Now everyone is seriously worrying about backwards compatibility, online DRM, higher cost games, and visuals that, frankly, are lacking for what next gen systems should be delivering.
That could be disastrous for both Sony and MS.
Nintendo's "sales woes" seem comparatively mild when contrasted by the glut of horrible news we've been getting about Xbox One and the 'future of gaming'.
GitarooMan
Member
Actual failure is a lot worse than speculated failure
Steve Youngblood
Member
Unless the price cut is extensive (i.e. more than $50), I don't really find this to be the most compelling argument. If times are indeed tough and frugality is king, then there's still the older, cheaper platforms that are getting all the same non-Nintendo published games and then some, and which come with an extensive library of used games at their disposal. Or people can look into the ever growing tablet market and invest there where many games have a free to play model, or carry price tags of 99 cents.
Mind you, a lower price tag will certainly help. But I don't really think it's an ace-in-the-hole in light of how crowded the marketplace is in terms of both older hardware, and newer, shiner hardware.
Projectjustice
Banned
Glad this is just your opinion. Im still enjoy playing my Wii U. Besides its way too early to call anything a failure including X1. Just cause you gave up on Wii U doesnt mean the market has. E3 hasnt even happened yet and you are all Nintendo is doom. Yea not the first nor the last. Calling the wii u gamepad a fisher price toy is laughable. All I see here is fanboy garbage.
It's far too early to be making any assumptions about this generation. Saying that the U's death is the cold hard truth is just as silly as those saying "called it!' in regards to the XB1. At least at this point.
I really love the Wii U. Super Metroid yesterday on my living room TV was just great. I will be playing Nintendoland with my kids for years to come. Lots of other Nintendo games will make me happy I own the system and being able to play on the Gamepad while other people watch television is still a fantastic win for the system.
I don't know who "wins" next generation, but I do know who is winning in my house. It's the Wii U and my PC.
I don't know who "wins" next generation, but I do know who is winning in my house. It's the Wii U and my PC.
Tricky I Shadow
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No lies detected.
BumbleBee Castle
Member
Nintendo failed to deliver on their launch window promises, but to deny their potential rebound is flagrantly stupid.
The WiiUs failings up to this point have been discussed ad nauseum, but it's primarily due to the fact that their major IPs are still in the developmental stages. Only after their respective releases can we deem the console a truly failed venture.
If you walked into baskin robbins and they had no ice cream, you'd be disappointed too.
Much in the same way, when Nintendo (a videogame centric company) fails to deliver games, you get equally disappointed.
The WiiUs failings up to this point have been discussed ad nauseum, but it's primarily due to the fact that their major IPs are still in the developmental stages. Only after their respective releases can we deem the console a truly failed venture.
If you walked into baskin robbins and they had no ice cream, you'd be disappointed too.
Much in the same way, when Nintendo (a videogame centric company) fails to deliver games, you get equally disappointed.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Another Gamecube in terms of sales is about what I expect and what I implied in that post, probably a little better just due to the console market having grown since then (so just extrapolate the GC numbers to the larger console market).
The thing is... that would be a failure for Nintendo.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I think there's a chance that the right software, a reinvented marketing campaign that actually exists this time around, and an aggressive price cut certainly give the platform a chance. However, I'm always uneasy when people point to the 3DS playbook as the model for turnaround as though there's a direct parallel here. The handheld market is a different beast, and the 3DS wasn't facing the competition that the Wii U is facing. The situations aren't very comparable outside of the similar need for big first party games.
invaderzim69
Member
Nintendo's situation isn't as bad after Microsoft's announcement yesterday. We will know more about Xbox One and PS4 at E3. Despite what others are saying, as long as Nintendo gives us more games it will be fine. Can't wait till E3.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Great post, adds a lot to the discussion, isn't condescending or belittling, and refutes my points.
It does if you're told you have to cook and eat one or the other.
Xenon
Member
LOl nice
Steve Youngblood
Member
Given market realities and this horrific first six months, I think getting the system on a GameCube-like trajectory would actually be a win at this point in my book. It may not bode well for Iwata's self-imposed year-end fiscal revenue goals, but I don't think another GameCube would be the disaster you're making it out to be. Personally, I'd be happy because it would assuage my concerns regarding sustained support past 2014.
They wouldn't win the console sales race, and it wouldn't go down as one of their more successful platforms. But at this point, I personally think that "better-than-GameCube" sales numbers would be a win at this point even if it would obviously be disappointing as the successor to the wildly successful Wii.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Another Gamecube isn't what shareholders would want following the Wii. It would be a disaster. Iwata has said as much himself.
Mr. B Natural
Member
The only thing that has won today is lower expectations.
And that's nothing new.
(and probably what I just typed is nothing new either.)
And that's nothing new.
(and probably what I just typed is nothing new either.)
I don't know why anyone would disagree with the thread's title. It's not saying that the Wii U is suddenly not a failure, it's not saying Nintendo is no longer doomed. It's just saying that the Wii U, as a GAMES MACHINE, doesn't look as bad anymore. We know Nintendo is going to deliver a bunch of games this year. Meanwhile Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot with their policies regarding used games, always needing an internet connection, etc.
As a GAMES MACHINE, you know one that primarily focuses on GAMES, Wii U is in a better spot or light than before. Is it saved? No. Is it doomed? No. It's in the middle. Anyone who thinks they're doomed at this point, after the XB1 reveal, must have their head in the sand or something or are super stubborn to actually admit one positive thing about the Wii U. AND it's not even that positive when you say, "doesn't look as bad".
Heaven forbid we actually give the Wii U/Nintendo some praise for once. They're about the GAMES just like Sony seems to be.
As a GAMES MACHINE, you know one that primarily focuses on GAMES, Wii U is in a better spot or light than before. Is it saved? No. Is it doomed? No. It's in the middle. Anyone who thinks they're doomed at this point, after the XB1 reveal, must have their head in the sand or something or are super stubborn to actually admit one positive thing about the Wii U. AND it's not even that positive when you say, "doesn't look as bad".
Heaven forbid we actually give the Wii U/Nintendo some praise for once. They're about the GAMES just like Sony seems to be.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Given the current horrific state of the platform, yeah Ninty would probably "take it" re: GC, but the problem is that Nintendo is a publicly traded company. Shareholders would not be pleased, do you agree? I'm looking at this from a broader industry perspective. Looking at it as a gamer, I think most people would be more than satisfied with another Gamecube in terms of its line-up. The GC had decent third-party support, far better than what the Wii U has currently, and a good line-up of first-party games.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
The Wii U has one less phantom console to fight, so yeah it looks better. If Sony sneaks in some of their own DRM bullshit the Wii u will look even better.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
A shit product doesn't make a shit product look better. This logic is so foreign to me.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Shareholders most assuredly aren't pleased. But reality is what it is. The Wii U doesn't have a chance in hell of coming anywhere near Wii levels of success, and investors have probably already come to terms with that and reacted accordingly. At this point, I think it would be a win for everyone involved if Nintendo can get the machine on track to be a profitable, modest success for the next four years or so. And honestly? I'm not sure if they can do it.
The problem with some of these conversations is that I think people are often speaking in different terms with what they mean in regards to ideas like "success" and "failure." If we define success as anything even remotely approaching their Wii-like highs, then yeah, Nintendo is fucked. They're not going to do that with this machine. But I've already adjusted my expectations following the disastrous first six months on the market to think of a GameCube or better trajectory as a big win for the platform.
What the OP is saying, I believe, is the bar for competition is lowered. The Wii U isn't better now than it was before, but it sure as hell has an opportunity right now to look much better when E3 comes around, at least when pitted against Microsoft.
Sony though? Can't say. From the outset that is looking like it's hitting the right notes but all it requires is one fatal slip up in terms of some unanswered questions for it to come tumbling down, mostly the price.
flatearthpandas
Member
I think Gamecube-level would be perfect for me as a customer.
It would imply an awesome library of first party games with some innovative third party stuff (FF: Crystal Chronicles). Plus, Iwata wouldn't meet his forecast and so would resign, meaning next gen I might be able to buy a Nintendo console with an online account and achievements.
SMH at the Wii U vitriol in here though. I was playing Metroid II yesterday before the Xbox reveal, and I kept thinking that, as unexciting as that game is, I would 1) rather have been playing it then watching the event, and 2) rather play that than any game showed at the event. The Wii U is weaker, yeah, but that doesn't mean it won't be getting great games. I was just as disappointed as anyone else at launch, but the system still has potential to be really cool.
It would imply an awesome library of first party games with some innovative third party stuff (FF: Crystal Chronicles). Plus, Iwata wouldn't meet his forecast and so would resign, meaning next gen I might be able to buy a Nintendo console with an online account and achievements.
SMH at the Wii U vitriol in here though. I was playing Metroid II yesterday before the Xbox reveal, and I kept thinking that, as unexciting as that game is, I would 1) rather have been playing it then watching the event, and 2) rather play that than any game showed at the event. The Wii U is weaker, yeah, but that doesn't mean it won't be getting great games. I was just as disappointed as anyone else at launch, but the system still has potential to be really cool.
Wii U is not shit. It has a drought of games and people were assuming that the PS4 and XO would roflstomp it in specs and games. And while it happened in some sense, I actually find Ninty's "games only" strategy highly attractive next to the clusterfuck of Xbones DRM systems.
Davey Cakes
Member
The issues with the Xbox One don't remove the issues with the Wii U, but now that MS has botched their reveal it at least gives Nintendo the chance to win back some mind share.
You guys sure do like getting off-topic, once again back to the "Wii U sales are crap" discussion, instead of the actual topic at hand.
I fully expect the "Iwata has to go/is out of touch" talking point to come up in the next few pages.
and round and round we go.
Well put.
Sony makes a common mistake, they promise too much. Vita was hitting the right notes:
- Specs
- Price
- Launch games
- Support
Look where it is now.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Wii U's issue is it's a poor product. It's not even necessarily about games. As a piece of modern hardware it's appeal is barely existent. It will most certainly get good games but that won't make the hardware itself good. Just like Xbox One will almost certainly get good games even if you hate the hardware.