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Almost 1yr out, how would you rate the performance jump from last gen to current?
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Corronchilejano
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Astral Dog
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- For the PS4,is fine, good memory, easy to develop games,capable of 1080p for most games.
- The Xbox One is weaker, or not good enough in part for the bad memory solution, so a lot of games are sub 1080p and even 720p,bad as 1080p is the "standard" for HDTVs now,weaker multiplatform games make it a less desirable system, still an increase over previous with some very good looking games.
- The Wii U was more designed for 720p and 360 like graphics, still a huge jump from the Wii, but costly and underwhelming,the games have good art and run well though,so its not that bad but it should have been a little more powerful and cheaper.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Both PC and Nextgen consoles have had upgraded versions of Metro and I wouldn't put that version even in the same league as Infamous SS & Ryse
I suppose it not really.
Are there pc games out there or coming out in 2014 that are even more beautiful than P.T from KONAMI? I remember the time when people were talking about METRO 2033 and how beautiful it looked (and still looks) but absolutely no reason to buy a expensive pc with a 500 dollar video card just to have it look a little bit nicer. Just to be clear I am not debating wether it looks beautiful or not. It is an opinion. What I am talking about is there really a great leap in consoles with 5 year old hardware and a pc with the newest graphics card?
When we talk about 5 year old hardware for me the the leap compared to pc is just minimum. Those PC video cards might be able to create a big leap, but I haven't seen companies do it.
Therefor I think SONY and MICROSOFT chose to go with 5 year old hardware that is MUCH cheaper and they have no reason to go with a more expensive video card which would make the price of a console unnecessary high.
Me personaly thought we would see a big leap, ala first trailer of watch dogs. But it didn't happen. It might be possible on pc, but again, the money is simply not worth it. With this generation KONAMI has already proven how beautiful a game can look and for me P.T has made a big impression on me.
When we talk about 5 year old hardware for me the the leap compared to pc is just minimum. Those PC video cards might be able to create a big leap, but I haven't seen companies do it.
Therefor I think SONY and MICROSOFT chose to go with 5 year old hardware that is MUCH cheaper and they have no reason to go with a more expensive video card which would make the price of a console unnecessary high.
Me personaly thought we would see a big leap, ala first trailer of watch dogs. But it didn't happen. It might be possible on pc, but again, the money is simply not worth it. With this generation KONAMI has already proven how beautiful a game can look and for me P.T has made a big impression on me.
Nealand Liquor
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Ps4 - Disappointed the majority of games being released (indies) though PSN/+ wouldn't push a SNES to the limit. Getting real tired of my monthly + games not even delivering a 4th gen experience.
Now as far as retail games go, I am still waiting for the "New" generation experience through and through. I am still waiting for that truly next-gen game from scope to AI, I fear we will have yet another gen of extremely stupid AI.
As it stands at this moment I have bought and played every major game to come out and I am still quite unimpressed.
With that said, I do appreciate the resolution boost in games and I:SS's neon power was a visual treat.
Now as far as retail games go, I am still waiting for the "New" generation experience through and through. I am still waiting for that truly next-gen game from scope to AI, I fear we will have yet another gen of extremely stupid AI.
As it stands at this moment I have bought and played every major game to come out and I am still quite unimpressed.
With that said, I do appreciate the resolution boost in games and I:SS's neon power was a visual treat.
Flachmatuch
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To sum it up: his standards of technical quality are different from yours and so instead of engaging him in a technical discussion, which is the topic of the thread, you said "I'd pull my fucking eye's out if I ever got like that" and denied the basic "validity" of his opinion and approach.
I think he has every right to disagree with you. I have no idea if he's correct or not but PCs exist, people play games on them, they *are* the top end of the technological ladder. Personally, I am also not impressed by this gen, at all. I can only see the effort (and thus, money) put into the games in the screenshots and when considering how crap most of them turned out to be, I'm less than impressed. This gen has been a total fucking waste. We could have gotten a hundred awesome games from what the mediocre but high tech flops have cost. Worst gen. Sorry about this but thinking back to DC/PS2/GC/Xbox times and even 360/PS3/Wii...no comparison. Bad on all levels. Too much hype, too little fun.
The gap between top end PCs and consoles was never as large as now so it's pretty clear that people who play PC games may not be as impressed by the current gen jump. I think this is pretty relevant. PCs may have always been better than newly launched consoles, but never by this margin.
And looking at a continuously developing platform as a baseline makes complete sense.
Rodney McKay
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I have yet to get a PS4 or Xbox One, so I don't have first hand knowledge of the systems...
But that being said, I think the consoles are a pretty good bump over the last generation from the footage I've seen. I think the thing holding them back the most at this point is the fact that so many high profile games are still targeting the PS3/360 generation.
Destiny looks nice artistically, and the PS4/XB1 versions have nice resolutions, but I can't help but feel the game could look so much better if Bungie had more time to work with JUST those systems. The animations and effects just look like slightly nicer last-gen than full-on new systems. The bump from Halo 3 to Halo Reach was pretty large, so I'm hoping we'll see an even bigger increase from Destiny to Destiny 2.
But that being said, I think the consoles are a pretty good bump over the last generation from the footage I've seen. I think the thing holding them back the most at this point is the fact that so many high profile games are still targeting the PS3/360 generation.
Destiny looks nice artistically, and the PS4/XB1 versions have nice resolutions, but I can't help but feel the game could look so much better if Bungie had more time to work with JUST those systems. The animations and effects just look like slightly nicer last-gen than full-on new systems. The bump from Halo 3 to Halo Reach was pretty large, so I'm hoping we'll see an even bigger increase from Destiny to Destiny 2.
GravityMan
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Wii U aside...I think the OP's asking this question a year too soon. More games that aren't cross gen need to come out.
Fallout-NL
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PC's are not relevant, if they are then the topic title should reflect that, have PC's left you unimpressed by the new console leap it doesn't say that. It's comapring the old ones and as for engaging him how can I? MY EYES ARE WORKING CORRECTLY and I have mentioned the difference of the consoles. He hasnt compred last gen console tech to new. He simply doing his usual and go on about how much better PC is, just like your doing now which has no relevance to the thread. As for the gap with PC and console well the higher end card's are really expensive. I'm pretty sure most console gamer's would agree with me in saying fuck a £900 console to match high end PC's the tech isn't what it used to be it's far to expensive and the power isn't needed on what most people primarily game on, a 1080p tv.
Valonquar
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The thing with the current gen graphics is the same as with current gen movies. A while back I was at a cookout at a friends place after seeing the newest Godzilla flick in the theater. Me and another person were complaining about how terrible the movie was. Someone else chimed "but it had great CG and effects!" to which someone else yelled "EVERYTHING HAS GOOD EFFECTS NOW, EVEN THE SHIT MOVIES" and it's true.
There's a lot of new games out there that look visually impressive, but are total shit. Fortunately I'm shallow enough to enjoy them immensely and still hate on the crap indie bullshit PS+ keeps throwing out.
There's a lot of new games out there that look visually impressive, but are total shit. Fortunately I'm shallow enough to enjoy them immensely and still hate on the crap indie bullshit PS+ keeps throwing out.
Where did i say that i dont enjoy the content where graphics are not impressive?
This thread is about graphics and how they are impressive in new games, not how good games are.
Its not about how good something appears, because thats solely based on art and thats totally subjective, its about how good technically something is, when You are comparing graphics.
I've never put graphics over gameplay. Proof? 86h in Starbound, 100h in Dayz, 600h in Path of Exile, 600h in League of Legends, should i continue?
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Yeah, they seem to have more polys than buildings from Infamous:SS shot, so whats Your point?
You play them yet think infamous is unimpressive, or a good leap over last gen. Also there is a big technical difference from lst gen your very capable seeing them. SO it is about the overall look/art of a game is the tech isn't so obvious, the leap is there.
My friends say they can't go back to the last gen version of Diablo 3 after playing it on the PS4, so I think there is some significant yet subtle improvement to the graphic fidelity of consoles. I myself have noticed large differences, specifically between different versions of Rogue Legacy.
How is this related exactly?
AllIsOneIsNone
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On a scale of blech to schwing daddy, I give it a meh.
Tech wise for both compare the numbers and the overall look. To last gen that is, again PC is irrelevant for the topic we are discussing.
Barack Lesnar
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Games like Ryse look better than anything out there graphically, even on PC, and that was a launch title. On the other hand, cross-gen games aren't as impressive and that's understandable. You just gotta look at it from that perspective. Ryse is unbelievable looking and a true next-gen leap. The Order will be too but that's not out for a while and looks to have less stuff going down on screen, but the fidelity of it is better so that makes up for it. How the hell was Ryse a launch title?
How is gameplay of a game related to how i or someone else judge tech progress in last few years?
Do You even know what this thread is about?
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OPs question is how do You rate performance jump from last gen to current?
For me its unimpressive, because Crysis 2 is last gen title and was released over 3 years ago, yet the progress is not really big compared to it, yet.
Where do i mention gameplay?
edit: Crisis on PC yes, not on consoles. Look at the thread again it's about last gen and new gen CONSOLES he mentions them if you read the rest instead of the title..
'You play them yet' ? And its in the post i quoted?
And nothing in OPs post suggest platforms.
Sure, if someone migrated frompast gens to PS4 or Xbone and leave in the vacuum, yeah he can be very impressed by latest titles.
People who plays on PC regularly, are not.
Well PC is always evolving so how can it be about something that is always next gen really? and I think you misread my word's, well it's the way I typed it so I apologise for that. I don't see how you can look at the console screen's and find them unimpressive compared to last gen
In the end we can only see performance difference's by looking at screen shots or gameplay. The jump to me looks big enough for me to be happy. You as a PC gamer may not think that as you are used to it but im yet to see many PC games look better than some of the new gen titles.
I think, it is unimpressive jump to games i played in last few years. Is this better explanation for You? :>
That's your opinion like mine is my own and both are correct, what games are these aswell?
Crysis 2/3, Battlefield 3/4, Metro:LL, Natural Selection, Planetside 2.
Its not like there are tons of them, but enough to say: "i've seen it already in some form"
Yea PC games and they do look great but I think the topic is comparing old gen to new gen consoles, at which point the new consoles are a massive improvement if you compare the games that are multi-plat. If you want to include PC the compare killzone to the look of crisis both look great and each better in one area than another. What PC games are considered new gen then? I really struggle to find many that look better than some of the new console's title's your welome to show me and iv'e seen the PC screen shot thread the iq is amazing but the overall look for most games dont compare to the overall look for some of the new gen console game's. So if they are unimpressive so are 95% of PC games.
Panajev2001a
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I can't stop appreciating how stunning Ryse looks :
Agreed, these two screenshots are jaw droppingly good.
Should toss in Splinter Cell: Blacklist (seriously, one of the most graphically impressive games ever released on PC), Final Fantasy XIV (it's an MMORPG and it's STILL one of the best-looking games of all time), Max Payne 3, modded GTA IV, and modded Skyrim. Props for including Natural Selection, the game doesn't get enough credit for how good it looks while being built on a shoestring budget.
Most of those saying how impressive the jump is likely have never played cross-platform games on a powerful PC. There is no jump for PC gamers.
Indeed, and it's going to look even better on a decent PC.I can't stop appreciating how stunning Ryse looks :
Crytek are technical wizards. Say what you will about the gameplay of the Crysis sequels, they still hold up extremely well from a graphical perspective.
Should toss in Splinter Cell: Blacklist (seriously, one of the most graphically impressive games ever released on PC), Final Fantasy XIV (it's an MMORPG and it's STILL one of the best-looking games of all time), Max Payne 3, modded GTA IV, and modded Skyrim. Props for including Natural Selection, the game doesn't get enough credit for how good it looks while being built on a shoestring budget.
Most of those saying how impressive the jump is likely have never played cross-platform games on a powerful PC. There is no jump for PC gamers.
Indeed, and it's going to look even better on a decent PC.
Crytek are technical wizards. Say what you will about the gameplay of the Crysis sequels, they still hold up extremely well from a graphical perspective.
Well most havn't played high end PC games so it is impressive a jump to those who aint which im guessing is more than who have, and yea ryse on PC is going to look insane looking forward to the screenshot thread and the bottom pic look's great. Anyway I need sleep im off.
Those shots look like ass because the artwork is shit.
Xbox One here.
Multi-tasking is cool, but the long install times are annoying. Graphically I don't see anything much better than my PC. I would think that all Xbox One games should be 1080p and 60fps, anything less isn't worth a damn in my opinion.
I'm kind of impressed with both platforms. Last gen had environments that looked great but character detail that was subpar in 2014 terms. However, this gen brings the level of in-game character detail up to low to mid PC settings, in my opinion which could/can be wrong. We were impressed back then because we came from the PS2/Xbox.
Glorified G
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I can't stop appreciating how stunning Ryse looks :
I'm puzzled to see how can anyone look at this and say the jump has been smaller than previous gens. People fuzzy memories of how PGR 3 and PDZ looked at launch
SneakyStephan
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I wish you'd stop linking crysis 2-3
It's not going to convince anyone as they're both hideous looking games (artistically) that still clearly betray their last gen cross platform nature (last gen geometry and environment density)
No matter how many millions of polygons you tesselate a crysis 3 tree with, as a whole the environment it still looks like an xbox 360 game with much better LOD, all the dials upped to 14 and a bunch of extra effects and stuff bolted on.
It looks like shit and it still looks crossgen so noone is going to care that it's better from a technical standpoint.
Star citizen , planetside 2 or even war thunder are way better examples of games that look next gen as they are also pretty and pleasant to look at.
It's not going to convince anyone as they're both hideous looking games (artistically) that still clearly betray their last gen cross platform nature (last gen geometry and environment density)
No matter how many millions of polygons you tesselate a crysis 3 tree with, as a whole the environment it still looks like an xbox 360 game with much better LOD, all the dials upped to 14 and a bunch of extra effects and stuff bolted on.
It looks like shit and it still looks crossgen so noone is going to care that it's better from a technical standpoint.
Star citizen , planetside 2 or even war thunder are way better examples of games that look next gen as they are also pretty and pleasant to look at.
I can agree somehow about Crysis 2, but Crysis 3 has really good geometry upclose, PoM helps a lot though, also has decent art direction.
On the other hand geometry from vegetation in some scenes is higher than whole geometry budget of last gen games per frame.
And sure, Crysis 3 still, to some degree, inherits some drawbacks from past gens in terms of fidelity of certain objects.
OsirisBlack
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Well I think the Order looks better than Crysis especially the character and material models.And they are
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BTW this is current gen:
Star Citizen looks great but does not look like something that could not be done on Current gen home consoles outside of the resolution.
From the console screenshot thread
This really makes me wonder how good destiny would have looked had it not had last gen versions as it is by no means a phenomenal looking game but it sure as hell has its moments.
I think You need to read more about this game
Sure, current gens could render some parts of Star Citizen [like Planetside or Arena Commander in current states], but they couldnt run the whole game. CPU requirements will be above current gens capabilities and they would additionally quite struggling with graphics even on low.The Order has outstanding focus on fidelity of characters and some nice environmental details, but generally what they showed was quite empty and they still lack few effects employed in Crysis 3 [PoM is the biggest one and i yet to see tessellation]. Also quality of post effects is lower. Art is gorgeous though, what a pity that game is not more like Dishonored.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Then you clearly have no idea what he meant by materials.
Well, I would hope so! Crysis 3 was developed before physically-based rendering became the order of the day, so it lacks the stark realism of Ryse. The Order is still not a particularly impressive step up considering its, ahem, content. Keep in mind that all the Crysis games were built with large arenas in mind, whereas the Order's levels (at least, that we've seen) are anything but large and open. Hell, they don't even have much in the way of foliage - rendering trees and grass is, by its very nature, going to be more resource-intensive than rendering urban areas.
It's still a good-looking game, no doubt about it, but, you know, perspective.
Now you're just making stuff up. Certainly, the game doesn't look particularly demanding when you're just looking a handful of ship models at a time... but that changes once you start throwing in capital ships into the mix, with each ship itself having a bevy of fighters in its own bays, every single one of those fighters as detailed as the ships pictured in the screenshots above.
Current gen consoles can't even hope to approach that level of detail.
Before I really begin with my main points this needs to be said. The order should look better than crysis considering that crysis 3 is 18 months old now and will be much older by the time it launches, it would be pathetic if they couldn't do better considering the talents of that developer. We already know what crytek can do now and if they get another real console shot I'm sure they easily outdo rsye and most other devs if they wanted too. Teremap C2 and C3 do not have the size of one C1 crytek took a lot of heat when it became clear the sequels were compromised for consoles constraints.
1 year in to 360 we didn't have anything like we do in terms of powerhouses for PS4 or X1 certainly not the amount so I don't know what some console centric types are smoking. I'm not like other pc types here either as I remember how the console hamstrung the pc games after crysis 1 badly. The jump to me is better, we are seeing more 60fps titles like the PS2 generation. We are also seeing fidelity and fps improvement as an average become more than what we saw last generation or have people forgot about the pixel counting debates. Shaders are adding dimensions of ambience simply not possible on other 3d consoles that have ever existed. Be it an indie game or AAA there is so much potential where it counts. Once devs get things down the minimum will be infinitely better than any other 3d generation.
1 year in to 360 we didn't have anything like we do in terms of powerhouses for PS4 or X1 certainly not the amount so I don't know what some console centric types are smoking. I'm not like other pc types here either as I remember how the console hamstrung the pc games after crysis 1 badly. The jump to me is better, we are seeing more 60fps titles like the PS2 generation. We are also seeing fidelity and fps improvement as an average become more than what we saw last generation or have people forgot about the pixel counting debates. Shaders are adding dimensions of ambience simply not possible on other 3d consoles that have ever existed. Be it an indie game or AAA there is so much potential where it counts. Once devs get things down the minimum will be infinitely better than any other 3d generation.
lightchris
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Or maybe you have fuzzy memories about how the early 6th generation games looked compared to PGR3.
Ridge Racer 1, Ridge Racer 5, PGR3 and Forza 5, all scaled to 720p for comparison purposes:
Still subjective of course, so if you think that the jump isn't smaller this time it's hard to argue about that. But I disagree (and I think most people will).
The objective leap in hardware power is clearly smaller than in previous generations though.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Its alright, nothing revolutionary like last gen. The only stuff I found great about this gen is Xbox One OS and kinect navigation stuff. Game wise, even top 3 most anticipated games Titanfall, WD and Destiny performed good on old gen. So we dont even have that killer title yet. 2015 will be whole new story though.
There's an argument to be made that in some ways the 7->8 leap is bigger than the 6->7 leap, although the 5->6 leap was astronomical.Or maybe you have fuzzy memories about how the early 6th generation games looked compared to PGR3.
Ridge Racer 1, Ridge Racer 5, PGR3 and Forza 5, all scaled to 720p for comparison purposes:
No it isn't.
Sketchy spec sheet figures like this are at best vague ballpark estimations, but, comparing what is widely considered to be the most capable GPU from of each gen, from one to the next:
In terms of GPU I/O blocks in some ways the Xenos in the 360 is only about four times as powerful as the oXbox's NV2A (twice as many TMUs, twice as many ROPs, each of those figures further bolstered by a slightly more than doubling of the clock). And for memory, the 360 has a unified pool with 8x as much RAM as the oXbox's.
By comparison, the PS4's Liverpool is 4+ times as large as Xenos in most of these respects even before we bring up the clock speed difference.. And the PS4's memory pool is 16x as large as the 360's.
In a lot of ways, the jump from sixth-gen to seventh-gen is actually much smaller than the jump from seventh-gen to eighth. Now, it's of course worth noting that the first leap I described was a four-year jump, whereas the second was an eight-year jump, so I can understand if some people consider the eighth-gen leap disappointing given the relative gap in time, but that's a different question.
OsirisBlack
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I think You need to read more about this game
The Order has outstanding focus on fidelity of characters and some nice environmental details, but generally what they showed was quite empty and they still lack few effects employed in Crysis 3 [PoM is the biggest one and i yet to see tessellation]. Also quality of post effects is lower. Art is gorgeous though, what a pity that game is not more like Dishonored.
I keep forgetting how touchy things get when Star Citizen is brought up. Yes it looks phenomenal and it is striving to push the bar. I still think It could be done on Consoles with compromises. I think the biggest thing holding it back would be the CPUs in the consoles.
The only reason I brought up the order is because he specifically said "This is current gen" and used Crysis 3 as an example he thought looked good enough to warrant being called current gen when in my opinion the Order looks better and yes it should as it is being released over a year and a half after Crysis 3 but it is being released on a home console and in my opinion that is quite impressive,
Oh bad picture but foliage.
