Platinumstorm
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I certainly wouldn't do it, and I'd probably judge the older guy just like the OP did. I will admit to ribbing my friends sarcastically about it before we go into a discussion on today's political scene.
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Am I overreacting to insensitive remarks?
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I certainly wouldn't do it, and I'd probably judge the older guy just like the OP did. I will admit to ribbing my friends sarcastically about it before we go into a discussion on today's political scene.
Gordon Shumway
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🤔 Guess when you acknowledge the meaning of my words, which you haven't, so..every time until then, mate.
Platinumstorm
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I am sorry for not understanding the context.
Gordon Shumway
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No worries..I should have been clearer. An easy mistake, caused by me.
It's not discrimination because no one is being discriminated against when you say that Georgia has a lot of racists. It's been a known issue for the state, and many other states, in the US.
Also, just because "jovial" racism was acceptable in Australia doesn't mean it was OK, those people were still being racists. You'd be perfectly fine in saying "man, in the place I grew up there was a lot of shitty racists." That's not discrimination.
spazchicken
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He could have been sarcastically pointing out how ridiculous this whole Muslim fear mongering is.
When did I say it was okay? Racism is horrible. Don't put words in my mouth
I didn't say that you said it at all, but you are implying that calling out a location for being a shitden of racism is somehow discrimination.
I wouldn't begrudge you from saying "what the fuck, America" after the election.
And so America is full of racists because Trump was voted in? Is it okay to say that?
Gordon Shumway
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Wrong..
Said they're the same, then added some lack of intelligence stuff..
Everywhere in the world?
Citizen_Insane
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Speaking as someone who grew up around that type of shit (even though it was California), thank you for being sympathetic OP.
Did I say it was okay? I said they are both fucked.
Gordon Shumway
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Waffle House international now? Shit..they on the come up!
One happened. One didn't. But you know that already..
Gordon Shumway
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Ok? And that has what to do with my post? You stick to this generalizing shtick. Didn't happen.
Secret Fawful
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ebullientprism
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Man, I feel bad for that waiter. Poor guy probably gets that racist shit flung at him multiple times a day. 
Always-honest
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It was a joke of a dumbass. Innocent in his eyes. But dumb.
I bet he thinks he is just hitting the right spot in terms of humor. The guy is just too stupid to understand. Lots of people like that.
I bet he thinks he is just hitting the right spot in terms of humor. The guy is just too stupid to understand. Lots of people like that.
Some people are just predisposed to saying stupid shit. I just wanna say "grow up" to some adults that say something after hearing my name. Like yes at this point in time their exists names other than Jacob, David and Joseph you dimwit. Just take my name and move on with the conversation like you didn't just crawl out of a cave in Tuscaloosa.
Goose_Se7en
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This is the type of response and thinking that will win Trump his second term. The left has to reckon with the fact that Trump didn't solely win because of racists. Those folks have been voting GOP for fucking years and will continue to do so. Trump won (even after losing the popular vote by north of 3 million) because he broke Clinton's blue wall amongst other factors. Michigan, Pennsylvania (which was the true death knell) and Wisconsin were all states that Obama won in 2008 and 2012.
Those rural voters aren't racists (sure some are). They voted for Trump because he sold them on the same jobs message Obama did back in 08. They voted for him in spite of the platform of division he rode in on. Yes many of them white, many of them thinking "yea...yea dude has said some racist shit but he's saying he's gonna get our jobs back, so yea fuck it I'll vote for him".
And yes I'm derailing the thread but I'm so tired of seeing these type of comments and posts not just on GAF but all over the interwebs. Before we dismiss all of these folks, yes even folks down South as racists we need to understand them, and engage with them in meaningful conversation and yes it sounds corny and yes some of you may think I'm naive but if we keep dismissing all of them as racists, if we keep talking down to them then Trump will win again.
The left needs to get its fucking act together. They (the right) see us as pompous, cry baby elites and with these past two weeks I'm beginning to think they may be correct.
And muslims have to take it in stride lest out "outburst" labels the entire population as terrorists 
What's left to understand? They would happily support the oppression of minorities and women as long as their status quo is maintained. "Fuck these people, I'm getting mine."
They're racists.
I think that describes them to a fucking T.
What's left to understand? They would happily support the oppression of minorities and women as long as their status quo is maintained. "Fuck these people, I'm getting mine."
They're racists.
I think that describes them to a fucking T.
SomedayTheFire
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lmao is this liberal shit still happening?
Which is annoying because it seems more reasonable they should have had that comeback if dude's name was John, Robert, Adam etc.
http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/
LegendofDragoonLives
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Only way you say this is if you're friends with the dude, or maybe have been there so long and both already have the report where you trash each other without much of a filter.. something established. This is racist af...
Gordon Shumway
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This is why trump won..😐
I can't wait till someone responds to a sarcastic "This is why trump won" with a sincere "this is why Trump won" and the world eats itself in shame.
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To answer OPs question, it depends on your reaction. It's clearly not something that I or, frankly, most self-aware non-racist people would say. But it sounds like you didn't really much react at all besides surprise and shock, which I would say is appropriate.
Secret Fawful
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I live in rural America and have never met even one person who is a Republican or moderate who hasn't said or believed some shit about black and brown people at some time.
Not. Even. One. EVER.
I understand these people. I've had to live around them my whole life. They're racist.
Next.
ScatheZombie
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I suppose that's one way to look at it.
Ok, let me try to find some common ground here so you might understand what I'm saying without the ban bait response.
First, you seemed to have gleamed over the fact that I pointed out the situation was inappropriate, ignorant racism. I'm not defending what was said or the person who said it. But I also realize that the circumstances of reality - an old white man, Georgia, Trump is President, a guy named Mohammad - there's a hundred worse ways this could have played out, there's a hundred worse things that waiter probably has to hear in any given week.
That's not to say that this is acceptable or normal. But to put a little perspective on the level of outrage, the degree of disgust, and the amount of vitriol I'm willing to throw back at this guy in particular. That's what I was referring to. The all or nothing mentality that the group commonly labeled as 'liberals' puts onto these situations. There's no attempt to understand why someone would make a joke like that or what their real motivations or intentions are. Instead, the mentality seems to be "you said this thing, you are a racist and you are just as racist as the most racist people on the planet".
That's clearly not the case. Can we at least agree that intentional racism born from actual hatred is worse than unintentional, inappropriate racism born from ignorance? Because if we can't agree on that, then yeah, we're not going to agree here at all.
Because what I see is a guy who grew up in a society with basically zero interaction with Muslims, living in a society that vilifies Muslims on national television daily, and who has a President who just tried to ban Muslims from entering the country on the basis of scaremongering bullshit - and yet, he took all of that and instead of blindly believing the crazy shit that gets pumped into his brain every day, he made an inappropriate joke about how absurd it is. I absolutely see that as a positive step forward. The fact that despite everything happening right now, a person who most would assume would have Racism for Dummies in the glove compartment of his pickup truck was significantly less racist than expected. That's a win. The 'war' against racism isn't going to won by everyone just stop being racist altogether one day. It's won by people being a little less racist than they were yesterday. It's won by people being able to mentally overcome the racist, scaremongering garbage coming out of every orifice of the media and realizing that people are just people.
And that's what I think happened. Is it the best outcome? No. Is it an outcome devoid of racism? No. But I don't think old guy making inappropriate jokes should be publicly shamed like he's David Duke. And I think doing so doesn't make people join your side, it puts them on the extreme defensive. I don't think it helps anything by taking it to 11 on a guy who was maybe a 4 on the "how racist is this" scale. Especially when you can easily find examples of people taking that shit to 11 every single day. They are not the same. Yet we seem to treat them as such and I don't think that's a good thing. That's really all I'm trying to say.
Mammoth Jones
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Ethnic/Religious humor is never cool with strangers. I mean I do it with a few of my friends but ONLY because we've known each other and we can take a joke and KNOW it's just jokes. A customer to a waiter? Nah.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Its just like how, when I find out someone is Catholic, I always suggest that they've been raped by a priest.
I like the cut of your jib. I think maybe I'm the product of the same environment. I grew up with so many different things (mainly my name and the way I look) that made ignorant ass southerners (of which I am one as well... a southerner) say stupid shit that I'm forced to either go with they're all racist or they just know not what they say. Pretend someone says "I have a Muslim friend" and legitimately believes that exonerates them from any accusations of prejudice against muslims. That's the level of mental faculties you operate with a lot of times. I dunno. Maybe it's a combination of fatigue and familiarity with this type of behavior that just has me kind of shrug it off. My previous post basically says the biggest annoyance at this point is "let's just keep it moving." You say your name is Bob I say my name is Ahmed (it's not) and that's it. No, "you mean, ahmed-jinedad, amirite?" or "that's unique/unusual, etc" or "where are your parents from?" Let's just exchange names like normal people and move the fuck on.
Gordon Shumway
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You big lefty..
Always? Theres gotta be two or three out there that made it out untouched..😏
Goose_Se7en
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Yup and he just doubled down. Very dismissive of my post. We have 4 years to get this man outta the White House (although at this rate he's going he may be impeached) that line of thinking to just be dismissed of these folks is why he won and if we continue is why he will win again.
Gordon Shumway
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Secret Fawful
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Dismissive, huh. You wanted an audience with me, well here it is. Yes, I'm dismissive of your point, in the sense that I've seen how all this "economic anxiety" and "worrying about our jobs" goes hand in hand with racism and prejudice, fed by a racist GOP, since I was a toddler.
How there is no talking to these people, through all their deflections and circular logic, and if you even get close, no matter how much of an olive branch you extend or how nice you are, they shut down, get defensive, and freak out as if you have attacked them. They see anything different as an attack on them, and standing up for race, orientation, gender fluidity, and ethnicity as hate toward them.
How many of these people want people like me and anyone else different from them dead or servile, or just don't care, many because they think they're doing good by their god.
Why don't you go talk to these people, and let me know how it goes. Want to get to know some of my family and deal with that shit on a daily basis? I'll get you some phone numbers. I talk and challenge until I'm blue in the face. Maybe you'd like a shot then. You're upset that I don't agree with you and that up til now I haven't spent more than a couple sentences on you? It's probably because I know you're wrong, I live it, and nearly every family member I have is an irredeemable fuck on a daily basis and you don't have anything new I haven't heard a million times before and haven't tackled head on.
Goose_Se7en
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Dismissive, huh. You wanted an audience with me, well here it is. Yes, I'm dismissive of your point, in the sense that I've seen how all this "economic anxiety" and "worrying about our jobs" goes hand in hand with racism and prejudice, fed by a racist GOP, since I was a toddler.
How there is no talking to these people, through all their deflections and circular logic, and if you even get close, no matter how much of an olive branch you extend or how nice you are, they shut down, get defensive, and freak out as if you have attacked them. They see anything different as an attack on them, and standing up for race, orientation, gender fluidity, and ethnicity as hate toward them.
How many of these people want people like me and anyone else different from them dead or servile, or just don't care, many because they think they're doing good by their god.
Why don't you go talk to these people, and let me know how it goes. Want to get to know some of my family and deal with that shit on a daily basis? I'll get you some phone numbers. I talk and challenge until I'm blue in the face. Maybe you'd like a shot then. You're upset that I don't agree with you and that up til now I haven't spent more than a couple sentences on you? It's probably because I know you're wrong, I live it, and nearly every family member I have is an irredeemable fuck on a daily basis and you don't have anything new I haven't heard a million times before and haven't tackled head on.
You have family issues bro. I'm sorry to hear that, you may need some help or counseling as it has made you cynical and has colored your picture of a certain demo very very negatively. I mean just look at your gif. I don't want to "challenge" you. This isn't a "fight" to me. You're looking for a fight but we're on the same team brother. I have friends in Alabama (Marion) I have friends in Tennessee (Chapel Hill) I have friends from Texas (Munday) who are white and Southern as shit. They'll be the first to tell me how red their necks get out in the scorching sun of Summer and I know these folks. They aren't racists and have been nothing but nice, nothing but caring to me and mine. Shit my friend Cara (who is White (Texas) is married to a Jamaican guy and they have 3 beautiful children) And I'm a caramel skin Brooklynite from Puerto Rican parents, these folks from these small towns in Southern US I consider family.
I refuse to live in your gloom/doom and cynical world. I don't pretend racism doesn't exist. It is alive and well and always will be here in America. It is after all our nation's greatest sin amongst many. But to just blanket all folks of a particular group as racist because you had a rough go at it growing up is cynical and immature and I won't stand by that. I'm genuinely sorry that you had it rough growing up, that maybe it is still that way now for you. But I won't make excuses or apologize for having faith in people (yes even after this election cycle) for having faith in my country, for having faith in its institutions and for having faith in that good will always Trump evil (pun intended) not all of these folks are evil, prejudiced bigots and I will shout that out at the top of my lungs until I turn blue in the face as well. That line of thinking sows division and I'm not about that.
You'll have to excuse my gif but I'm done here if you keep slinging this negativity around.
Gordon Shumway
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Gordon Shumway
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Shocked, devil..
What? Who?
Byakuya769
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Nothing micro about that aggression.
Maintenance
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It's probably this
Fahzgoolin
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That kind of remark is worth complaining to a manager about. That's absurd. I don't mind politically incorrect humor, or sarcastic dark humor, but to a stranger that's just embarrassingly stupid.
Edit:Oh... It was the customer to the waiter. That's really awkward...
Edit:Oh... It was the customer to the waiter. That's really awkward...
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