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Am i the only one who thinks PC gaming is going nowhere but up ?
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I did not mean to offend anyone. I think all people are faster than me in some areas, could faster recognize patterns and come up with creative solutions. Maybe I'm just particularly good at Portal's puzzles. I struggled quite a lot with puzzles of Braid or (more recently) Rush, I imagine some posters solved them much faster than me. Even then, Portal seemed extraordinarily easy. But that's the way Valve design games, so that people not interested in the genre could play them.Cheech said:
I just don't see a reason to upgrade my PC until DOOM 4 is out. Sure the graphics looks some what better on PC but not near enough to justify the price or worth the head ache PC gaming brings. Hell it was a nightmare to install dmc4 and Crysis on my pc due to the drm bullshit, when I can simply put a disc in my console and play. PC gaming has a long way to go before they are gonna over take the need of consoles.
dragonlife
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I'm happy to say that I'm not exclusive to any gaming platform and enjoy everything. I love games too much to not aim to get all consoles.
Okay, I still need to buy a PS3 and have no interest in iStuff, but for the most part, I like to play/have everything!
Okay, I still need to buy a PS3 and have no interest in iStuff, but for the most part, I like to play/have everything!
CountAntonius
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Ickman3400 said:
You said kill current gen of consoles didn't you? That seems pretty selfish of you. Do you have to force gaming into next gen with the vast majority of consumers aren't exactly begging for it?
Same argument can go on forever.
We're in a period where mid-range laptops can outperform the consoles. This is the time for PC-focused developers to make PC shine. If Valve can get Big Picture Mode out soon (E3?), there's potential for PC to gain a high-tech foothold for a couple years until Xbox3/PS4 launch. If the experience is smooth enough, they might even hold on through the next console cycle.
It was around this time last hardware cycle that Doom3, Half Life 2, FEAR, Battlefield 2, and Far Cry put console gaming to shame with technically richer experiences than PS2 or Xbox could handle. The big question in my mind is whether any of of the big PC developers have the guts to do it again.
It was around this time last hardware cycle that Doom3, Half Life 2, FEAR, Battlefield 2, and Far Cry put console gaming to shame with technically richer experiences than PS2 or Xbox could handle. The big question in my mind is whether any of of the big PC developers have the guts to do it again.
I've been exclusive PC gaming for past year or so and couldn't be happier. I don't game that much so that might also be a factor. Steam sales really know how to hit my impulse side, especially when I see something on sale in the $2-$8 range. I recently bought Magicka and had a blast.
It hurts that I can't play some exclusives though. I really want to play Demon's Souls and upcoming Dark Souls
It hurts that I can't play some exclusives though. I really want to play Demon's Souls and upcoming Dark Souls
Ickman3400
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ARXIN said:
Yes. Most of these "HD" games aren't even in HD and their texture work is terrible.
It's 2011 and these things have way less than a gig of ram and 2004-2005 gpus. That's inexcusable. And people with low standards who are ok with this are holding my pc gaming back as the majority of big games we get are ports.
CountAntonius
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Low standards? I Play Street Fighter. It Runs just fine at 720p and 60 fps. I don't care to spend another 400 to get it to 1080p. I don't think that's low standards at all.
I see your plight but that comes with the territory when the largest numbers of consumers simply don't feel your pain when it comes to bad textures and sub HD resolutions.
I see your plight but that comes with the territory when the largest numbers of consumers simply don't feel your pain when it comes to bad textures and sub HD resolutions.
CountAntonius
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Not at all. PC has always been a place for innovation and is a very open platform for new for new ideas. If they are a hit then they simply try to reach out to the very large console markets. I don't see it as a guinea pig as much as a logical step.NIGHT- said:
Ickman3400 said:
Low standards? :lol Now you're just trolling.
I stick with console gaming because that's where the games I want to play are. The only new games I'm buying this year are Gears3, Uncharted 3 and NCAA Football 12. Can't play any of those on a PC.
And no, console gamers aren't holding back PC gaming. Devs & pubs go where the money is. It's called capitalism.
Houston3000
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On top of the amazing exclusives already released this year:
Total War Shogun 2
Bloodline Champions
Rift
Dawn of War II Retribution
Dark Spore
Magicka
There's a shit ton of amazing games releasing soon:
The Witcher II
Torchlight 2
Diablo III
Dead State
DotA 2
Heroes of Might & Magic VI
Plus, two of the best Half-Life mods should be getting full commercial sequels this year:
Natural Selection 2
They Hunger: Lost Souls
That's not mentioning the superior PC versions of every multiplatform game being released that I'm not even going to try list... or the dozens upon dozens of simulation, strategy, or adventure games coming out that most people are surprised by.
Total War Shogun 2
Bloodline Champions
Rift
Dawn of War II Retribution
Dark Spore
Magicka
There's a shit ton of amazing games releasing soon:
The Witcher II
Torchlight 2
Diablo III
Dead State
DotA 2
Heroes of Might & Magic VI
Plus, two of the best Half-Life mods should be getting full commercial sequels this year:
Natural Selection 2
They Hunger: Lost Souls
That's not mentioning the superior PC versions of every multiplatform game being released that I'm not even going to try list... or the dozens upon dozens of simulation, strategy, or adventure games coming out that most people are surprised by.
GotEmRunnin
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I agree with the OP. PC gaming is going up. The average gamer doesn't see it though since most sales data is simply looking at retail. I'm a steam guy personally but I'd have to assume. GOG, D2D, and Impulse are all successful in their own right.
Ickman3400
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LosDaddie said:
So console gamers aren't holding pc gaming back, yet they are since that's where the money is. Hmmmm
I threw the low standard thing in because that's what it is and I'm not going to sugarcoat it. If you're ok with games running on laughably outdated hardware because that doesn't bother you then that's low standards. It doesn't have to be a bad thing if you don't care. Like me with movies, I'd rather watch a crazy action movie like Transformers than most of the garbage that wins oscars. I accept that I have low standards for movies and don't care.
Stallion Free
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I attribute it to Sony making things overly complex. Nintendo just lays that shit out flat to be re-written.Drkirby said:
Stallion Free
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Devs seem pretty pleased and that's enough for me.szaromir said:
CountAntonius
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That's assuming graphics are all I care about. I like having a console to lug over to a buddies easily. I like jumping in an endless lobby for Street Fighter IV and playing with other people I know will have the same exact set up. I Love the community, the competition the game itself. I don't care if it was running on snes if it gave me that joy.Ickman3400 said:
TouchMyBox
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Personally, I don't know anybody who still uses consoles much anymore (aside from the occasional fighting game or JRPG, or first party sony stuff). This time five years ago everybody I knew was playing games primarily on consoles. I'm probably a big factor here as I have shown how less expensive and better PC gaming is to my friends, and have built dozens of machines for them for little or no profit.
Valve's only interested in making sure publishers know exactly how their game is selling. They seem to not be interested in fueling fanboy flamewars on message boards. :\
If a publisher wants to release how their game is selling on steam, that's their prerogative.
szaromir said:
Valve's only interested in making sure publishers know exactly how their game is selling. They seem to not be interested in fueling fanboy flamewars on message boards. :\
If a publisher wants to release how their game is selling on steam, that's their prerogative.
Ickman3400 said:
Yup, that's right. Again, it's called capitalism. If PC exclusives sold gangbusters like they do consoles, then pubs/devs wouldn't make their games multiplatform.
Ickman3400 said:
:lol Yup, you're just trolling. You're assuming graphics are all I care about.
It's not that I have low standards, it's that I go where the game I want to play are.
Spiritreaver
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I'm debating on not even buying a console next gen and just holding out until I have to upgrade my PC. After finally buckling down a getting a gaming rig... I haven't touched my PS3/360 once, except for like.. watching Netflix in bed.
Then things like L.A. Noire have to happen. Ugh.
Then things like L.A. Noire have to happen. Ugh.
I've been a PC gamer since the mid 80s, and stuck that way until 2005 when I bought at 360. I played the hell out of that mainly for 4 years or so, and then slowly started to share time between that and my PC. Its worth noting most of my gaming friends had 360s, and I will always play where my friends are.
Now in 2011 most of them have dropped off, too busy to game now that we're in our 30s. Me on the other hand I'm married, my wife games and I have all the time in the world at night to play. So once I cleared most of my backlog on my 360 I'm back to my PC, but even there it feels fresh because I am not buying brand new titles.
I'm thriving off of Steam sales and F2P games, lately World of Tanks. I'm back to PC gaming but have spend maybe $20?
note : I will buy the next Xbox likely just to have that easy living room experience. I enjoy having both console and PC to game on.
Now in 2011 most of them have dropped off, too busy to game now that we're in our 30s. Me on the other hand I'm married, my wife games and I have all the time in the world at night to play. So once I cleared most of my backlog on my 360 I'm back to my PC, but even there it feels fresh because I am not buying brand new titles.
I'm thriving off of Steam sales and F2P games, lately World of Tanks. I'm back to PC gaming but have spend maybe $20?
note : I will buy the next Xbox likely just to have that easy living room experience. I enjoy having both console and PC to game on.
Ickman3400
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LosDaddie said:
They do often sell enough, it's just greedy assholes want more. EA's bled through $2 billion this gen focusing on consoles with their ridiculous marketing budgets and trying to catch the COD market, when Witcher 2 will likely pass 2 million sold with a $8-$10 million budget. A game that's doing more than any console game and looks much better than any console game will probably make more profit than most console games.
LosDaddie said:
And you're assuming graphics are the only thing that can improve with stronger consoles. But you don't exactly have the...widest taste if you only want those 3 games in such a crowded year so I'm not exactly sure why you're debating this with me anyway. I get that people who don't play many games don't see the need for new consoles or how they negatively affect PC gaming when PCs get stronger every year but are held back by old consoles. The rest of us are ready to move on though.
DarthWufei said:
I don't understand post like this, how can someone who was playing console games and having fun magically just stop having fun with his consoles because he built a gaming PC. Building a gaming rig didn't stop me from playing consoles all it did was give me another platform in which I can build a backlog for. And it worked, really fast to be honest.
Nothing again you but I see post like this all the time in the 2011 PC thread and I just go "what?".
Confidence Man
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JudgeN said:
He's tasted the ambrosia. You don't just go back.
That's true for most of them, but there are big companies still 'unconvinced'.Stallion Free said:
EA is already investing in digital distribution, though mostly in its own store, but Capcom and Activision, for instance, are public companies that don't ''get'' PC gaming yet, mostly due to the lack of statistics, which are vital for the many small-minded investors.
I know Valve gives every kind of data about sales to each company, but it's all limited to its own games.
Investors, much like in the music industry, still believe in shit like SecuROM and other kinds of copy protection, so it's quite clear that good word of mouth isn't enough for them, as absurd as it sounds.
I'm not saying Valve should have sales figures right upfront like Minecraft, but ''hiding'' this stuff is not good either.