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Am i the only one who thinks PC gaming is going nowhere but up ?
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Mik2121 said:
Yeah, I can agree with this. The only problem is during said gens PC gaming loses some exclusives/devs. This gen has really hurt PC gaming more than others though, the dirty word "consolization" comes to mind. It has been a double whammy for the PC.
But, PC gaming will continue to trudge along even if Blizzard gives the green light to consoles, which would be a massive blow. There will always be some people taking a shot at certain segments, like MMOs specifically, RTS, or dungeon crawlers. PC had some great "one-offs" at one time, but the same variety is being found on PSS/XBLM, so it's a wash.
But if you only go consoles, you are missing out on some incredible experiences to be had on PC. I'm happy I went PS360PC this gen, I don't regret it one bit.
The only thing I'm curious about "Next-Gen" consoles are if their strategies will be to take a solid stab at these PC strenghts; MMOs and RTS.
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Deleted member 17706
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Haunted said:
You be trollin'!
Haunted said:
Knowing that English isn't your first language, I might have been unsure of the intent here if it had been only a couple of errors.
Also, it's "couldn't care less," not "could care less." Also, "grammer" is actually spelled "grammar." Lastly, "would of" is actually "would have."
So either Haunted managed to pack an intense amount of irony in to a single sentence -- it's possible, given, again, that he's multilingual -- but that many mistakes should make it clear that this was deliberate.
Here's what I think about PC gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De_3fDkmD-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De_3fDkmD-k
Gully State
Member
Every platform lost exclusives this gen, not just the PC. It's what happens when you have sky high development costs and not a single platform with a huge majority of the marketshare.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The titles that suffer the most from going from 60 to 30fps are FPSs, IMHO. Probably the biggest reason why I'm a PC gamer in the first place. That and the lack of good console RTSs.Stallion Free said:
PC gaming will stay where it is currently for the hardcore audience. I'm not talking about facebook games or anything for the casuals because I don't really care. Pc games require an expensive rig compared to a console.
Some of you might say "but you can build your own PC with so, and so for x amount of money" but for Joe blow he would not undertake the task of building a computer. Hell he wont't even do the research to find out what parts he needs in his comp. If you go to local B&M store the selection is slim and overpriced for a gaming PC anyway.
The biggest choice a console gamer has to make is how much storage he wants. This is a major reason why consoles sale so well. Consoles can afford to have triple-A titles on their platforms e.g GoW, Killzone, Mario, Zelda etc. All the while AAA PC titles will invariably go to consoles because it's a smart business decision. So for the most part console gamers will get a varied experience that will satisfy the majority of gamers.
Some of you might say "but you can build your own PC with so, and so for x amount of money" but for Joe blow he would not undertake the task of building a computer. Hell he wont't even do the research to find out what parts he needs in his comp. If you go to local B&M store the selection is slim and overpriced for a gaming PC anyway.
The biggest choice a console gamer has to make is how much storage he wants. This is a major reason why consoles sale so well. Consoles can afford to have triple-A titles on their platforms e.g GoW, Killzone, Mario, Zelda etc. All the while AAA PC titles will invariably go to consoles because it's a smart business decision. So for the most part console gamers will get a varied experience that will satisfy the majority of gamers.
One thing not discussed here is the potential for unified CPU/GPU architecture to change the current PC paradigm. AMD Fusion is pretty promising on the netbook market, and they have plans to build more powerful fusion processors targetted at the full power laptop and desktop market. As mentioned by the above poster, a large hurdle to pc gaming is the relatively poor performance of main stream off-the-shelf PCs, especially laptops. All-in-one chips with decent graphical performance would be a revolution for PC gaming if they could fit in the laptop form factor.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The advent of DD has tremendously helped the PC side of things tremendously. I'm in full swing with DD services like Steam and D2D. It feels great getting these amazing deals that the consoles can't touch. And even with fully priced premium games, the PC side is always the way to go unless you have lots of console friends. To me, PC gaming is better than ever now.
Lasthope106
Member
Llyranor said:
I also should point out that i dont even care that much for better graphics when it comes to PC gaming.
I have a mid end rig, and i use a 26 inch television as my main monitor that only does up to 1360x768. So that whole side of the deal doesnt even take part in why i love PC gaming so much.
I have a mid end rig, and i use a 26 inch television as my main monitor that only does up to 1360x768. So that whole side of the deal doesnt even take part in why i love PC gaming so much.
Lasthope106
Member
(._.) said:
Current consoles have been showing their age since 2007. I don't know why everyone keeps saying that this is a cycle that happens towards the end of a generation. I call that bullshit. I don't remember it happened last time during the end of life of the PS2, and Xbox. And in the generation prior to that, the pc was king in the late 90's early 2000's. This recurrent cycle has never happened.
ThaddeusMcGee
Member
Harry Dresden said:
This man has put forth a sound plan. I would add a Star Control 4/Reboot.
Gully State
Member
Lasthope106 said:
What was the PC landscape like in 2003-2005 (Prior to the 360's release)? I don't remember it being as popular then as it is now.
legacyzero
Banned
Took the plunge in Jan 2010 on a $1500 rig. Have spent HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of dollars on Steam since.
Fuckin LOVE Steam.
Damn you Steam SALES!
Fuckin LOVE Steam.
Damn you Steam SALES!
Lasthope106
Member
Gully State said:
Are you kidding me? 2004 was one of the best years for pc gaming. In the time period you specified the following were released:
Half-Life 2
Doom 3
Civ IV
Dawn of War
Rome Total War
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (Where my Steam sale gah damit!)
Unreal Tournamet 2k4
World of WarCraft
Far Cry
Rise of Nations
Call of Duty
I rest my case. The only years when pc went into a very rough period was at the beginning of the current console generation. Many once exclusive pc developers found tremendous success and/or started focusing on consoles: Bethesda, Infinity Ward, Epic, Irrational, Lionhead, Ensemble, Gearbox.
Steam started gaining a lot of momentum around 2008 when their promotional sales began.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
2004 was like the greatest year of my life. I got my own PC that year and bought like every triple-A PC title (just to max them out on a 21in CRT) and it was goddamn glorious. If I had a drink in my hand right now I would toast to the 9800 Pro aka one of the greatest videocards ever.
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Lasthope106 said:
I dunno, 2005 wasn't all that bad if I remember correctly. Some notable stuff includes:
Age of Empires III
Civilization IV (it wasn't a 2004 release)
Black & White 2
Fable: The Lost Chapters (semi-exclusive)
Myst V
Dungeon Siege II
Guild Wars
Stronghold 2
Hearts of Iron II
City of Heroes
2006 brought:
Gothic 3
Neverwinter Nights 2
Company of Heroes
Flight Simulator X
Half-Life 2: Episode One
Heroes of Might and Magic V
Titan Quest
Dark Messiah Might and Magic
Battlefield 2142
And that's not mentioning the cross-platform stuff that was flat out better on the PC like Oblivion.
2007, on the other hand, seemed pretty weak. I may just not be remembering anything, but outside of Crysis and The Witcher, what good exclusives were there? I guess you could throw The Burning Crusade and Lord of the Rings Online in there if you like MMORPGs.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
2007 was The Orange Box. PC was the place to play that set and TF2 was delicious. 2007 needed nothing else.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
I'm glad that Steam has put PC gaming back on the map.
I am getting a bit concerned with all the shitty DLC and some other intrusive DRM though.
Ubisoft and EA are big offenders here. I simply don't understand why you would need more DRM ON TOP of Steam...
Oh, and FUCK stupid DLC. People might not agree with me, but TF2 did it right (somewhat). You can get almost everything in-game through random drops or trades, and you can also buy it from their store. All other patches add in-game content, maps, changes, etc FOR FREE! They add enough that it feels like a free expansion pack. This is why there's still a huge install base for the game and why people support it so voraciously. There was a post in the TF2 thread detailing some dude who bought hats for 90 bucks. DIGITAL. FUCKING. HATS! Hell, I could get a real hat for less.
I am getting a bit concerned with all the shitty DLC and some other intrusive DRM though.
Ubisoft and EA are big offenders here. I simply don't understand why you would need more DRM ON TOP of Steam...
Oh, and FUCK stupid DLC. People might not agree with me, but TF2 did it right (somewhat). You can get almost everything in-game through random drops or trades, and you can also buy it from their store. All other patches add in-game content, maps, changes, etc FOR FREE! They add enough that it feels like a free expansion pack. This is why there's still a huge install base for the game and why people support it so voraciously. There was a post in the TF2 thread detailing some dude who bought hats for 90 bucks. DIGITAL. FUCKING. HATS! Hell, I could get a real hat for less.
jaundicejuice
Member
I built my first PC for Half-Life 2 (and Doom 3) after watching this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSQUlgN008o
Before I always made do with whatever my parents bought but when I saw Valve's demonstration of the G-Man and the Source engine's capabilities, I knew I had to have a machine that could play that game.
In fact Half-Life 2 was my first digital distribution purchase through Steam, I had it installed because of Day of Defeat and Counter-Strike switching over from the WON servers to Steam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSQUlgN008o
Before I always made do with whatever my parents bought but when I saw Valve's demonstration of the G-Man and the Source engine's capabilities, I knew I had to have a machine that could play that game.
In fact Half-Life 2 was my first digital distribution purchase through Steam, I had it installed because of Day of Defeat and Counter-Strike switching over from the WON servers to Steam.
speculawyer
Member
It is hard to know when you are one of the PC gaming kool-aid drinkers. But I do think there has been a resurgence. IRQ conflicts, conflicting gaming software platforms, lack of consistent controller systems, lack of good voice chat, and other things made PC gaming a mess.
But with Steam, Microsoft's 360 controller, easy patching of drivers with internet downloads, etc. . . . . PC gaming has become much more streamlined. It still is not as easy & care-free as a console . . . but I don't think it every will be. But PC gaming is much better than it was a few years back.
But with Steam, Microsoft's 360 controller, easy patching of drivers with internet downloads, etc. . . . . PC gaming has become much more streamlined. It still is not as easy & care-free as a console . . . but I don't think it every will be. But PC gaming is much better than it was a few years back.
Minsc
Gold Member
Stallion Free said:
Civ IV: Beyond the Sword & Neverwinter Nights Mask of the Betrayer say take that back!
We were also graced with Commander Keen re-release, Heroes V: Tribes of the East, STALKER, and the relaunch of Sam & Max, and also Titan Quest Immortal Throne (in addition to Crysis and The Witcher as mentioned above).
Gully State
Member
Lasthope106 said:
Zefah said:
So PC gaming was not up to par in 2007...and it was proclaimed dead? Talk about overreaction then..
childplease
Banned
I can't believe it but I'm doing it.
I will once again be one of the master race.
I will become a pc gamer again this fall or shortly after BF3 comes out.
The outdated consoles pushing out yearly sequels of the same tired crap, rpgs like dragon age 2 being watered down meanwhile pc exclusive rpgs like the witcher shine. This is all pushing me towards building a gaming rig this fall. Haven't gamed on a pc in about 10 years, will have alot to catch up to do.
I will once again be one of the master race.
I will become a pc gamer again this fall or shortly after BF3 comes out.
The outdated consoles pushing out yearly sequels of the same tired crap, rpgs like dragon age 2 being watered down meanwhile pc exclusive rpgs like the witcher shine. This is all pushing me towards building a gaming rig this fall. Haven't gamed on a pc in about 10 years, will have alot to catch up to do.
EternalGamer
Banned
I just bought a alienware (due to a huge discount sale in January) after not having played PC games since the Unreal Tournament days (the original).
I thought I had become spoiled with the ease of access on PS3 and 360 and the online social communities.
Three months later, I don't think I will ever choose to play a game on console again if I can play it on PC.
First there is the amazing deals. I got nearly 20 awesome games (including Batman: AA, all the content for Company of Heroes, Dawn, of War, and dozens others) for $50 during the Steam Christmas sale. And new releases are typically at least $10-$20 cheaper on PC for a superior looking version.
Second, graphically I have now ben spoiled. It is insane how much better these games look than PS3 and 360 games. At this point, I doubt I will be impressed with next gen systems even because, at best, they will match what the current output is with stuff maxed out on a high end PC and it is very unlikely they would even do that.
Third, the social networking stuff is even better than 360 and PS3. I'm highly impressed with Steam. It has everything Live does for free and more: achievements, voice chat, messaging, hell, I can even bring up a steam browser in game if I ever get stuck. Plus I have the entire internet an alt+tab away at any time during my gaming, not the broken bits and pieces of it offered on PSN or Live.
Finally, game controls. It is the best of all possible worlds. I was kind of worried I would find it hard to go back to keyboard and mouse and admittedly some games (like Crysis) still overwhelm me with all the function keys in the heat of the battle. However, I can always use a controller for anything I want and the 360 controller works awesome. And, unlike console, the vast majority of PC games let you customize anything you want any how you want. But it is still as easy as powering on a 360 controller for default set ups in many games now days.
So, I've been converted. PC clearly seems to me to be the far superior platform on all accounts except maybe price of initial entry. But even that is highly debatable given how far even $500 would get you today and the fact that the games are way cheaper and yo don't have all the hidden costs like peripherals, charge kits, subscription fees etc.
I would suggest that anyone who has been ignoring the platform like I did for so long get a decent system put together (which really doesnt' cost that much), and download Steam immediately. Follow this by getting your friends to download steam and start with some cheap multiplayer or even free multiplayer games like Magicka or Alien Swarm. You'll be converted for good rather quickly.
I thought I had become spoiled with the ease of access on PS3 and 360 and the online social communities.
Three months later, I don't think I will ever choose to play a game on console again if I can play it on PC.
First there is the amazing deals. I got nearly 20 awesome games (including Batman: AA, all the content for Company of Heroes, Dawn, of War, and dozens others) for $50 during the Steam Christmas sale. And new releases are typically at least $10-$20 cheaper on PC for a superior looking version.
Second, graphically I have now ben spoiled. It is insane how much better these games look than PS3 and 360 games. At this point, I doubt I will be impressed with next gen systems even because, at best, they will match what the current output is with stuff maxed out on a high end PC and it is very unlikely they would even do that.
Third, the social networking stuff is even better than 360 and PS3. I'm highly impressed with Steam. It has everything Live does for free and more: achievements, voice chat, messaging, hell, I can even bring up a steam browser in game if I ever get stuck. Plus I have the entire internet an alt+tab away at any time during my gaming, not the broken bits and pieces of it offered on PSN or Live.
Finally, game controls. It is the best of all possible worlds. I was kind of worried I would find it hard to go back to keyboard and mouse and admittedly some games (like Crysis) still overwhelm me with all the function keys in the heat of the battle. However, I can always use a controller for anything I want and the 360 controller works awesome. And, unlike console, the vast majority of PC games let you customize anything you want any how you want. But it is still as easy as powering on a 360 controller for default set ups in many games now days.
So, I've been converted. PC clearly seems to me to be the far superior platform on all accounts except maybe price of initial entry. But even that is highly debatable given how far even $500 would get you today and the fact that the games are way cheaper and yo don't have all the hidden costs like peripherals, charge kits, subscription fees etc.
I would suggest that anyone who has been ignoring the platform like I did for so long get a decent system put together (which really doesnt' cost that much), and download Steam immediately. Follow this by getting your friends to download steam and start with some cheap multiplayer or even free multiplayer games like Magicka or Alien Swarm. You'll be converted for good rather quickly.