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[Joni]

There have been a lot of Hollywood people hit with similar allegations/arrested for them: Nicolas Cage, Seagal, Mickey Rourke, Christian Slater, James Caan, Josh Brolin, Terrence Howard, Billy Dee Williams, Eric Roberts, John Barrymore, Harry Morgan, ... The only one whose career really got hurt - some of these people were already going downhill when it happened - was Sasha Mitchell who lost his big Step by Step role. Which sucks, as he hit his wife to protect their kids.

Brown had huge hits again and is on a big world tour.

Mel Gibson, after dropping the n word, domestic abuse and going on a antisemitic rant against an officer, has still high profile advocates

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1223232

Mel Gibson mainly has very good close friends like Robert Downey Jr and Jodie Foster who each have their own reasons to stand by him, but they haven't really managed to get him back in Hollywood.

 

[Ratrat]

Brown had huge hits again and is on a big world tour.

Mel Gibson, after dropping the n word, domestic abuse and going on a antisemitic rant against an officer, has still high profile advocates

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1223232

RDJ only has a career due to Gibson.

 

[Kinyou]

Brown had huge hits again and is on a big world tour.

Mel Gibson, after dropping the n word, domestic abuse and going on a antisemitic rant against an officer, has still high profile advocates

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1223232

It's hardly a surprise that RDJ would forgive him almost anything.

 

[Oersted]

RDJ only has a career due to Gibson.

Yes, he has reasons to forgive what he did to others. I'm not sure how this is a counterpoint.

 

[Goodstyle]

Everyone loved Tyson in Hangover. Abused his wife, raped another woman.

He went to prison, did his time, got religious, and changed as a person. It's been 20 years, at a certain point it's OK to forgive someone if they had truly changed. That isn't the same as Polanski who ran away from everything, or other celebs who absolutely refuse to face accountability.

 

[Oersted]

He went to prison, did his time, got religious, and changed as a person. It's been 20 years, at a certain point it's OK to forgive someone if they had truly changed. That isn't the same as Polanski who ran away from everything, or other celebs who absolutely refuse to face accountability.

Yes, he recovered from it. That was the question.

 

[Goodstyle]

Yes, he recovered from it. That was the question.

My bad, didn't read the context. Read it as an "oh what is the world coming to, that we would allow this person to ever find success again" type comment for some dumb reason.

 

[richiek]

Brown had huge hits again and is on a big world tour.

Mel Gibson, after dropping the n word, domestic abuse and going on a antisemitic rant against an officer, has still high profile advocates

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1223232

Other than Robert Downey Jr, Gibson doesn't really have much clout in Hollywood.

 

[Lebron]

Although 30 years ago, you have a point that it didn't affect him much, considering Madonna only addressed the allegation last year.

So hows Chris Brown and Mel Gibson doing?

CB still making songs and people still want Mel Gibson on things (currently filming a movie).


So, fine.

 

[esel]

Brown had huge hits again and is on a big world tour.

Mel Gibson, after dropping the n word, domestic abuse and going on a antisemitic rant against an officer, has still high profile advocates

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1223232

Gibson's career is basically in the shitter, though. Yes, he gets some roles here and there, but he's far and away form the A-list category he used to be in.

 

[Ratrat]

CB still making songs and people still want Mel Gibson on things (currently filming a movie).


So, fine.

Chris Browns fans are keeping him afloat imo. Mel Gibson...he hasn't been involved with anything major far as I know.
I dont know, Rhianna and Amber are hollywood celebs too, might be different depending on that.

 

[Joni]

I'm thinking Mel Gibson would have gotten more chances again if he also wasn't a huge racist tending to make that clear as well every couple of years. Seems like his career went to shit in 2006 when he went on his drunk Jewish rant which was the drop in the bucket, not 2010 after the Oksana domestic dispute, which was also coupled with the release of the tapes where he spouts more racist remarks.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The issue is, and always has been the onus is on the accuser to provide compelling evidence. He absolutely should be considered innocent until proven otherwise or else the whole justice system falls apart. The problem is media especially social media is already making that a reality. Even if say he's cleared of all suspicions and she's found to have lied, it will have had permanent possibly irreparable damage to what's left of his career. If he's a serial abuser, I find it hard to believe there isn't evidence. I hope more people remain skeptical about both parties in this case and their dealings. Why we feel compelled to takes sides I really don't understand. I'm going to wait until the facts are in.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is about law, not people. It's a rule for courts, but people are allowed to have any opinions about anything on any topic. I'd rather support victims opening up so others can feel safe in coming out about their abuse than to perpetuate a world where victims stay quiet because everyone will judge them and call them liars.

 

[entremet]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is about law, not people. It's a rule for courts, but people are allowed to have any opinions about anything on any topic. I'd rather support victims opening up so others can feel safe in coming out about their abuse than to perpetuate a world where victims stay quiet because everyone will judge them and call them liars.

Not necessarily. Any reasonable person would consider both sides before making any judgment.

This not necessarily about victim blaming. And this is not to imply Heard is a liar. I personally believe her, but there's nothing unreasonable or horrible about waiting for more evidence.

Same thing happens in parenting, work, relationships. No one should only consider on side of the story. Doing so opens yourself to misjudgment and that's why our legal system is set up this way.

 

[GuyKazama]

I'm thinking Mel Gibson would have gotten more chances again if he also wasn't a huge racist tending to make that clear as well every couple of years. Seems like his career went to shit in 2006 when he went on his drunk Jewish rant which was the drop in the bucket, not 2010 after the Oksana domestic dispute, which was also coupled with the release of the tapes where he spouts more racist remarks.

Mel will eventually give up Hollywood and run for President in 2024.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Mel will eventually give up Hollywood and run for President in 2024.

He can't, he's Australian.

 

[Joni]

He can't, he's Australian.

He is actually a natural-born American citizen.

 

[harSon]

He can't, he's Australian.

He was born in New York. He moved to Australia after.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

You guys think this is the end of Johnny Depp? Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and still won an Oscar.

 

[samn]

You guys think this is the end of Johnny Depp? Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and still won an Oscar.

Polanski made good films though. Depp doesn't even have that anymore.

 

[El Topo]

Polanski made good films though. Depp doesn't even have that anymore.

Depp has brought in a ton of money though, more than Polanski ever will.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Wait, I'm confused.

So she was hit, went to a club the next day after the police checked her out and found nothing, and then the day after that filed a report?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ugh this is old. On the flip side, you risk condemning someone adhering to this philosophy which can, in turn, impact their lives. One should exercise a lot of caution and responsibility before speaking rather than carelessly pimp out stupid and ill informed opinions. It is shit like that that puts a lot of people in harm when looked at in a much grander scale.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Lastly, no one is arguing against victims coming out . No one here has said "victims should stay quiet".

I can't condemn anyone. I'm just a dude on the Internet. What impact am I going to have on Johnny Depp's life?

I saw all the comments everywhere on the Internet immediately calling her a liar and gold digger. I'm going to be as far away from that bullshit as possible. I believe her, and I think anyone jumping to call her a liar without any reason to believe so other than that lying is possible in the universe should check themselves. It hurts no one to believe people, but it hurts all victims to treat outspoken victims like they're liars. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to this? It's why people stay quiet and reporting rates are so low.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You guys think this is the end of Johnny Depp? Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and still won an Oscar.

He's in his 50s so his career as an A list leading man was probably going to wind down anyway. How bad this will be for him depends entirely on how ugly it gets from here.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Polanski made good films though. Depp doesn't even have that anymore.

Depp makes the powers that be cash.

 

[esel]

You guys think this is the end of Johnny Depp? Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old and still won an Oscar.

I don't think the two cases are comparable. The Polanski rape happend nearly 40 years ago, and he fled the country right after.

In 2016 (if the allegations are true) domestic violence againts his partner will hurt Depp's reputation real bad. His career stands on family-friendly franchises like Pirates and Alice - Disney won't associate itself with a wifebeater.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You understand that Jonny could be a victim as well, right? Your post is a classic case of logic that could apply to either side but you are clearly confirming your own bias.

He's free to let us know his side if he wants. I'm assuming the courts will hear it.

What bias do I have? Believing people with bruises on their face and who got a restraining order when they say someone is abusive? Why would I not trust them? What does anyone gain from me assuming she's a liar here?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I don't even know how to respond to this dangerous level of ignorance. Shit.

???

I'm literally believing people at their word when they have bruises. What's ignorant here?

 

[Goodstyle]

???

I'm literally believing people at their word when they have bruises. What's ignorant here?

This argument is personal to Groovy.

 

[Kinyou]

I can't condemn anyone. I'm just a dude on the Internet. What impact am I going to have on Johnny Depp's life?

Can't you see how you could just replace Depp's name with Amber Heard here?

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a good way to go because it isn't making a judgement either way.

 

[Jeffolation]

Depp makes the powers that be cash.

He definitely used to. The last five years though there's stuff like Mortdecai,Transcendence, The Lone Ranger and The Rum Diary. Those clunkers are starting to add up.

 

[mario_O]

End of his career? We still don't know anything for sure, but the last news I read is that he threw a mobile a phone at her? I know that's terrible, no excuse (if it's true), but this is not Bill Cosby or Polansky. Some of the comparisons in this thread are really sick.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Can't you see how you could just replace Depp's name with Amber Heard here?

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a good way to go because it isn't making a judgement either way.

I mean, that's where I am. Believing the story of the victim doesn't mean Depp is guilty or that I have any power to make it so he's served justice for it. It just means I'm not dismissing a victim immediately like so many cynics do.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This argument is personal to Groovy.

Oh, this explains a lot.

Groovy, your story is similar to many. There are also many people with stories of abuse who got no justice. This is why abuse and violence is such a charged subject that people say our justice system doesn't handle well.

Me believing Heard's story here has no impact on what happened to you. I'm not the police. I'm a guy on the Internet. I haven't condemned Depp or even expressed an opinion on him. I'd just rather not be a part of the culture that looks to undermine and dismiss outspoken victims. In an ideal world, we could've had Cosby in jail long before he abused and raped 50+ more women, but no one believed the victims for decades.

 

[Oersted]

Can't you see how you could just replace Depp's name with Amber Heard here?

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a good way to go because it isn't making a judgement either way.

Putting aside that this sentiment literally only comes up when women get beaten up,harassed or raped(most recently Cosby), you are not finding him guilty. Even if you believe her. Only a judge can do that. I sincerely hope you are not a judge.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I don't even know how to respond to this dangerous level of ignorance. Shit.

I can understand your reasons for being sceptical and I'd be right there with you if not for the apparent existence of a video.

That's making me lean in one direction, probably more than it should as we haven't actually seen the video or had its existence verified, but I feel with this being so high profile, I doubt anyone would lie about the existence of there being video footage.

That's not to say it can't happen, I just feel in this instance, it would be extremely counter-productive to claim there's footage when there isn't.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

A lot do, although some manage to almost entirely sweep it under the rug like Michael Fassbender. Depp won't be afforded such "luxury".

Huh?

 

[AmaterasuOni]

He is actually a natural-born American citizen.

He was born in New York. He moved to Australia after.

Oh, damn. My world just crumbled. Next you'll tell me that Arnold isn't American.

I have no idea why I've always believed Mel is a native aussie. Strange. Must be those Mad Max movies, he was so young in the first one.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Huh?

Charged for domestic violence, later dropped apparently.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/23/inglourious-basterds-restraining-order-michael-fessbender/

 

[platakul]

Huh?

An ex accused him of some pretty graphic abuse and then withdrew her accusations. Seems like anything else is speculation.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Charged for domestic violence, later dropped apparently.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/23/inglourious-basterds-restraining-order-michael-fessbender/

An ex accused him of some pretty graphic abuse and then withdrew her accusations. Seems like anything else is speculation.

Thanks.

Well shit, that's potentially depressing as fuck.

this is so old but i think that for any new fassbender fans reading this for the first time, krazy leasi withdrew her claims after police could not find any medical records pertaining to her "injuries". she asked for $20,000 to "cover medical expenses". but it seems she self-diagnosed a busted ovarian cyst, self-medicated and maybe performed surgery on herself. oh yeah and she made the same accusations against her ex husband before dating michael. and she hooked up with michael again in 2012.

I never take comment sections seriously, but this caught my eye.

 

[CartridgeBlower]

Not that this necessarily has much weight, but Johnny Depp's first wife is saying she doesn't believe Amber Heard. Not the mother of his children but his wife from 83-85. Supposedly still close friends though.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Oh, damn. My world just crumbled. Next you'll tell me that Arnold isn't American.

I have no idea why I've always believed Mel is a native aussie. Strange. Must be those Mad Max movies, he was so young in the first one.

He moved to Australia at age 12. His dad is American, mom Irish.

 

[Lys Skygge]

Goddammit Johnny....

A lot do, although some manage to almost entirely sweep it under the rug like Michael Fassbender. Depp won't be afforded such "luxury".

Wasn't Christian Bale involved in some sort of abuse?

 

[rakhir]

Wasn't Christian Bale involved in some sort of abuse?

He was questioned about his alleged assault on his mother and sister in 2008, but did not get charged. From what I've read they went to his hotel after movie premiere, and apparently wanted money and badmouthed his wife. They claim innocence, but he didn't spoke to them since.

 

[Two Words]

I mean, that's where I am. Believing the story of the victim doesn't mean Depp is guilty or that I have any power to make it so he's served justice for it. It just means I'm not dismissing a victim immediately like so many cynics do.

What if you were somebody who was in a position to have a real impact on Johnny Depp's life? I know, it's a what if, but I'm just curious how you feel about that.

 

[Kinyou]

Putting aside that this sentiment literally only comes up when women get beaten up,harassed or raped(most recently Cosby), you are not finding him guilty. Even if you believe her. Only a judge can do that. I sincerely hope you are not a judge.

Anything to back that up? I see it whenever someone is accused of a crime

 

[Oersted]

Anything to back that up? I see it whenever someone is accused of a crime

Ignoring that I can't believe you due to you playing every single time devils advocate, what exactly do you want to genuinely backed up?

 

[Kinyou]

Ignoring that I can't believe due to you playing every single time devils advocate, what exactly do you want to genuinely backed up?

That the sentiment "Innoncent until proven guilty" only comes up when it's about woman being abused. Or was that not the sentiment you were referring to?

 

[Goodstyle]

That the sentiment "Innoncent until proven guilty" only comes up when it's about woman being abused. Or was that not the sentiment you were referring to?

It's anecdotal, but be honest with yourself guy. When you hear about a situation where a man is being abused by a woman, people don't question it, they just say that man is a pussy. Remember when Emma Roberts beat up her boyfriend a few years ago? The first thing people said wasn't "oh he's just lying to hurt her", they just treated it as a big joke.

I'm not saying one reaction is better than the other, but the way it's perceived is pretty obviously different in our society.