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AMD CES 2019 Keynote (Live Stream)
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Paracelsus
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699$, that's on the "ouch" side.
GoldenEye98
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What's concerning to me is the fact that it took AMD going to 7nm to match a 2080(which is on 12nm...which is just effectively 14nm iirc). This just tells me AMD is still behind Nvidia from an architecture point of view. The card could be a good value but when Nvidia launches it's 7nm cards it's going to leap ahead again(probably significantly).
MightySquirrel
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useless card.
mckmas8808
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AMD will power GOOGLE Project Stream worldwide!!!!!!????? WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MightySquirrel
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Not at all, if you want smooth responsive gaming with good visuals.
Even games on consoles running at only 30fps will feel the same or even BETTER while looking way better, than a game running at 60fps and being stremmed at 60fps.
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Futaleufu
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That's completely on the server side and your ISP when game streaming.
The game still has to run somewhere...
JohnnyFootball
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I was looking forward to the 7nm Vega II
Then I saw the price....$699
Then I saw the price....$699
MightySquirrel
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I'm taking best case scenario where the server you're streaming from is on the same city or town...
You'll get same responsiveness as a game running at 30fps on console and streaming a game that runs at 60fps internally and being streamed at 60fps.
Visuals obviously uncomparable.
With a high end gpu you can run games at 120 fps or even more at only 1080p [you know the resolution that streaming services provide]
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GoldenEye98
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wait what? is she sure that wasn't 4k?...Forza Horizon 4 1080 @ 110fps doesn't seem that mindblowing for the most advanced pc hardware
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DreamsiclesPlz
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so the new top-end AMD card still loses to a 1080Ti, while costing the same?
JohnnyFootball
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The Vega II would have been really good at $499 where it would likely slaughter the 2070.
As of now I just hope nvidia announces a price drop where I can take advantage of EVGAs trade up program and get a 2080 Ti to replace my 2080.
As of now I just hope nvidia announces a price drop where I can take advantage of EVGAs trade up program and get a 2080 Ti to replace my 2080.
MightySquirrel
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^ Look at the bright side AMD caught up with 2017 performance on gpu side.
JohnnyFootball
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How do you figure?
And it doesn't cost the same. 1080 Tis are no longer available and now cost way more.
GoldenEye98
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even $599 would have been competitive
bitbydeath
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I could see MS using Radeon VII in their next console as it's Vega. Sony is rumoured to be behind the development of Navi so Sony may not be sharing it with MS.
DynamiteCop!
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Why? It performs the same if not slightly better and its priced exactly the same.
Paracelsus
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AMD is probably never going to bounce back on the gpu side, they're done.
Panajev2001a
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On the flip side, if people would not jump en masse to it (AMD stealing tons and tons of market share) and still stuck with nVIDIA they would be taking a bloodbath financially without anything to show for it.
This is what happens when you have a semi monopolist with lots of resources and smaller / less financed competition.
MightySquirrel
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Why not have Vega 5 that comes with 8 GB of GDDR6 that alone would drive the price down to 550 or less and leave 16 GB HBM Vega 7 for content creators at crazy price.
Edit: GB
Edit: GB
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JohnnyFootball
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Why are so many people bringing up the 1080 Ti instead of the 2080, which is what the Vega II is supposed to compete against?
Granted, I agree that the $699 price is disappointing, but if it performs on par with the 2080 at $100 less then shouldn't it still be considered a good value?
Or are we back to that place where unless AMD offers twice the performance for half the cost they are a failure.
I do agree that $499 would have been a huge statement.
Granted, I agree that the $699 price is disappointing, but if it performs on par with the 2080 at $100 less then shouldn't it still be considered a good value?
Or are we back to that place where unless AMD offers twice the performance for half the cost they are a failure.
I do agree that $499 would have been a huge statement.
Leonidas
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$550-$600 for two year old performance still wouldn't look good. At least with 16 GB have more memory and more memory bandwidth(though that won't help in gaming benchmarks).
Shin
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The quoted is all you, nowhere in my previous posts did I say anything about favoritism.
One can have good business relationships without what you're trying to imply, it wouldn't even be surprising considering the market both supply/cater to.
It's win/win either way for AMD, but perhaps MS is easier to work with as they seem to know exactly what they want and this goes all the way back to the original Xbox's CPU/design.
Of course we don't have to agree with each other, if that's all people ever did the world wouldn't be where it is right now
Leonidas
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Because VII doesn't do ray-tracing or DLSS. 1080 Ti doesn't either so to me it makes more sense to compare them. $699 2 years ago for the same performance.
MightySquirrel
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I can't imagine anyone , but most crazy fanboys buying that at 700. Same perf/price as 2080 , but no extra features like RTX and DLSS. I know those are only in one or two games , b ut maybe will come to more games later.
DynamiteCop!
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Even if those features came to more it doesn't really matter, for the way these cards handle them they're too premature to really care, it's very beta level. Nvidia's next generation is when people should be seriously considering them.
Redneckerz
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Its an interesting piece of kit, but its also just a repurposed Radeon Instinct, so there you go.
AMD fortunately has all these other gaming related endeavors but 700 starting price really needs to drop a little.
AMD fortunately has all these other gaming related endeavors but 700 starting price really needs to drop a little.
Wait if there is a 1160 or 1170 at least... good bye AMD midrange GPU...
Ivellios
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Thing is that these cards are just rumours, plus i really need to replace my ancient Geforce 650ti asap.
And while Ray tracing might be useless on the RTX 2060, DSLL seems like a very good technology for future games so i think it may be worth it in the long run
Get a 1080 or a 1070 meanwhile... those are good cards yet.
"Matisse"
First up, CPUs. AMD presented its next generation 7nm desktop CPU, which is the 3rdGeneration Ryzen.
The new parts, codenamed Matisse, will be coming to market in mid-2019 (sometime in Q2 or Q3). The processor the company had on display was made from two pieces of silicon on the package: one eight-core 7nm chiplet made at TSMC, and a 14nm input/output chiplet with the dual memory controllers and the PCIe lanes, made at GlobalFoundries.
The company did state that it is the world's first 7nm gaming CPU, and will also be the world's first mainstream CPU to support PCIe 4.0 x16. At this time the company is not commenting on if the 3rd Gen is going to have a maximum of eight cores, or if this represents the best processor of the whole family.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13829/amd-ryzen-3rd-generation-zen-2-pcie-4-eight-core
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Ivellios
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They are more expensive than RTX 2060, without Ray tracing or DSLL
JohnnyFootball
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AT this point there is no reason to consider a 1070 or even 1070Ti. The 2060 mostly outperforms it.
I don't think you could reach any further. You really believe in this nonsense?