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AMD R7 265 Thread of Superior GPU Performance for only $150

Would it be pointless to pop this into an old-ass Core 2 Duo board? I have a 4890 in it and haven't bothered to try running a new AAA PC game in at least two years.
 
H3XAntiStyle said:
I hope this thing for whatever reason sucks complete ass at bitcoin.

Because I want this card.
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It´s basically just a rebranded 7850 which is probably the best watt/performance card out there. Better preorder as soon as available or it will be 40-50$ above retail.

Joe Shlabotnik said:
Would it be pointless to pop this into an old-ass Core 2 Duo board? I have a 4890 in it and haven't bothered to try running a new AAA PC game in at least two years.
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Which board? If it has a x16 PCI-E slot it will work fine. Question is what CPU you have and if you CPU is the bottleneck of the System or not.
 
tipoo said:
Read this for the long explanation. tl;dr Nvidia doesn't care about Integer performance on GPUs.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153467-amd-destroys-nvidia-bitcoin-mining
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It's pretty insane how things have changed. Especially if you consider the fact that it was NVIDIA that was pushing the CUDA initiative during the early DX10 days for GPU compute. AMD/ATI was really lagging behind back then too, all their cards prior to the 5870 couldn't do the kind of GPU compute NVIDIA's cards could.

GCN really turned things around for AMD/ATI. NVIDIA's cards are being murdered in the compute department.
 
aeolist said:
performance per $, yes, performance per watt, no

buy this if you can find it in stock at $150 (demand is driving AMD prices through the roof lately) and you have a decent power supply, buy a 750ti if you have a crappier power supply and/or want nvidia specific features like gsync
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There is no reason to buy the 750 Ti. Any reliable power supply will easily be able to power either. Also the reference 750 Ti doesn't even have a display port which means, no gsync. Their partners might offer 750 Ti's that don't have this issue. Unless you have an irrational hate for AMD, or miners drive up the price of the 265, you buy the 265.
 
Chief_Falcon said:
What's all this talk about coin miners?
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Coin miners buying up all the AMD cards, driving the demand to insane levels -> less available -> higher prices.

I mean look at this. Supply bought up by one guy, taking the cards away for probably 50 Gamers.

cpldi.jpg
 
I wonder if prices are ever going to go back down to normal levels for their other cards? I've been wanting to buy a 280 or 290 for a while now.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
Coin miners buying up all the AMD cards, driving the demand to insane levels -> less available -> higher prices.

I mean look at this. Supply bought up by one guy, taking the cards away for probably 50 Gamers.

cpldi.jpg
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I want the crypto currencies to crash badly and all these people buying up cards for it to lose thousands.
 
AstroNut325 said:
The F***! Is it even that lucrative?
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Well, rough calculation is that one amd graphics card pays for itself in about 2-3 months. Now, depending of how much you spend on them, how much you make, is just a matter of how much you are willing to spend.

aeolist said:
not when you factor in electricity costs, no
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Very lucrative for that matter. I make about 150$ per month after electricity with a 280x and 7870.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
Well, rough calculation is that one amd graphics card pays for itself in about 2-3 months. Now, depending of how much you spend on them, how much you make, is just a matter of how much you are willing to spend.



Very lucrative for that matter. I make about 150$ per month after electricity with a 280x and 7870.
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how much of that is real money?

e. sorry by "real money" i mean filthy fiat currency
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
Coin miners buying up all the AMD cards, driving the demand to insane levels -> less available -> higher prices.

I mean look at this. Supply bought up by one guy, taking the cards away for probably 50 Gamers.

cpldi.jpg
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That's what I hate about these currencies

they don't contribute anything to society and are just a way to conjure up perceived value out of nothing,and this leads to massive amounts of power consumption fueled by greed with no actual productivity, nothing is achieved

All that coal burned, all that gas burnt etc for some bastardised form of capitalism and economy so the people setting up these bitcoin/litecoin etc networks can get rich off the goldrush while producing and contributing NOTHING

I feel guilty when I leave the lights on when I leave my house
And for what

human plague rats shitting up the planet in the most empty of pursuits
 
SneakyStephan said:
That's what I hate about these currencies

they don't contribute anything to society and are just a way to conjure up perceived value out of nothing,and this leads to massive amounts of power consumption fueled by greed with no actual productivity, nothing is achieved

All that coal burned, all that gas burnt etc for some bastardised form of capitalism and economy so the people setting up these bitcoin/litecoin etc networks can get rich off the goldrush

I feel guilty when I leave the lights on when I leave my house
And for what

human plague rats shitting up the planet in the most empty of pursuits
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I agree with this statement 100%. Excluding the remark about bastard capitalism (unless I misunderstand what you mean). Capital is in itself, problematic IMO.
 
SneakyStephan said:
That's what I hate about these currencies

they don't contribute anything to society and are just a way to conjure up perceived value out of nothing,and this leads to massive amounts of power consumption fueled by greed with no actual productivity, nothing is achieved

All that coal burned, all that gas burnt etc for some bastardised form of capitalism and economy so the people setting up these bitcoin/litecoin etc networks can get rich off the goldrush while producing and contributing NOTHING

I feel guilty when I leave the lights on when I leave my house
And for what

human plague rats shitting up the planet in the most empty of pursuits
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I don't feel people who play the stock market are contributing anything to society ether.
 
SneakyStephan said:
That's what I hate about these currencies

they don't contribute anything to society and are just a way to conjure up perceived value out of nothing,and this leads to massive amounts of power consumption fueled by greed with no actual productivity, nothing is achieved

All that coal burned, all that gas burnt etc for some bastardised form of capitalism and economy so the people setting up these bitcoin/litecoin etc networks can get rich off the goldrush while producing and contributing NOTHING

I feel guilty when I leave the lights on when I leave my house
And for what

human plague rats shitting up the planet in the most empty of pursuits
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Agreed. Can't wait for the moment when the crypto-currency bubble will burst.
 
Why are people still purchasing GPU's for mining?

Hasn't the difficulty increased enough to where ASIC's are the way to go?
Or are Litecoins just stupid easy to mine?

please be true
 
Gattsby said:
Why are people still purchasing GPU's for mining?

Hasn't the difficulty increased enough to where ASIC's are the way to go?
Or are Litecoins just stupid easy to mine?

please be true
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You´re right about bitcoin. GPU´s are worthless to mine them directly. You can however, mine altcoins (Litecoin/Dogecoin etc.) and trade them to Bitoin. For example, Dogecoin has a probability of 6000% against Bitcoin. Usually there is always a coin with a probability of 9-10000% against bitcoin. Trade them to bitcoin -> profit.
 
Best way to make sure I get one of these for $150? Is there a specific site(s) I should be checking and refreshing? Or just watching this thread? Any emails I should be sending?
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
It´s basically just a rebranded 7850 which is probably the best watt/performance card out there. Better preorder as soon as available or it will be 40-50$ above retail.



Which board? If it has a x16 PCI-E slot it will work fine. Question is what CPU you have and if you CPU is the bottleneck of the System or not.
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Yeah that's basically what I'm asking. The card will work (might have to check the power draw) but I'm not sure if it's worth an upgrade over a 4890 with a dual-core 3 Ghz E8400 CPU. Obviously I'm too cheap at the moment to get a new board and processor, haha.
 
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Yeah that's basically what I'm asking. The card will work (might have to check the power draw) but I'm not sure if it's worth an upgrade over a 4890 with a dual-core 3 Ghz E8400 CPU. Obviously I'm too cheap at the moment to get a new board and processor, haha.
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Hehe.

Yeah, with a that dual-core it´s probably not really worth it. Your´re gonna get a few more fps out of it, but not really worth 150$.

Outdoor Miner said:
Why are only AMD cards seeing a rise in interest from the "miners"? Is it something unique to their architecture?
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Yep, different architecture than Nvidia cards giving better performance/watt.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
Hehe.

Yeah, with a that dual-core it´s probably not really worth it. Your´re gonna get a few more fps out of it, but not really worth 150$.



Yep, different architecture than Nvidia cards giving better performance/watt.
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I'm looking at it to upgrade my 6950. 60FPS on High in BF4 is something I can't do right now, hell I can't even do it on Medium, and Low has problems with it.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
You´re right about bitcoin. GPU´s are worthless to mine them directly. You can however, mine altcoins (Litecoin/Dogecoin etc.) and trade them to Bitoin. For example, Dogecoin has a probability of 6000% against Bitcoin. Usually there is always a coin with a probability of 9-10000% against bitcoin. Trade them to bitcoin -> profit.
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What's the return on that though?

Why not just drop $1,500 - 6,000 on an ASIC instead of purchasing 10's of GPU's and then converting Litecoins to Bitcoins?

7 x $240 = $1680 for ~3.4 GH/s or
$1,500 for 300 GH/s

Unless the economics of trading Litecoins to Bitcoins is insane, the numbers just don't make sense to not use an ASIC.
 
Gattsby said:
What's the return on that though?

Why not just drop $1,500 - 6,000 on an ASIC instead of purchasing 10's of GPU's and then converting Litecoins to Bitcoins?

7 x $240 = $1680 for ~3.4 GH/s or
$1,500 for 300 GH/s

Unless the economics of trading Litecoins to Bitcoins is insane, the numbers just don't make sense to not use an ASIC.
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The difficulty for bitcoin is constantly increasing insanely, therefore prolonging the point of profability for an asic that you buy. Just random numbers. For example you buy one now for 6000$. It takes you now at current difficulty ~6 months. Realisticly the difficulty increases constantly making it 12 months or more.

Also, those asics can only mine sha-256 coins (bicoint) and no scrypt coins (litecoin/dogecoin etc.)
Also, if everything goes belly up you can sell your graphics cards to gamers, your asics are worthless.

So part faster profit and security of investment.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
The difficulty for bitcoin is constantly increasing insanely, therefore prolonging the point of profability for an asic that you buy. Just random numbers. For example you buy one now for 6000$. It takes you now at current difficulty ~6 months. Realisticly the difficulty increases constantly making it 12 months or more.

Also, those asics can only mine sha-256 coins (bicoint) and no scrypt coins (litecoin/dogecoin etc.)
Also, if everything goes belly up you can sell your graphics cards to gamers, your asics are worthless.

So part faster profit and security of investment.l
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Still not making sense. You're saying your profit is coming from Litecoins that you transfer to Bitcoins. So what's the return on transfer?

And if you spent $6,000 on an ASIC you would be in the black within a month, not six. At six months you would have doubled your investment.

GPUs are so insanely less powerful than an ASIC, that Litecoins must have crazy margins to even be worth dropping ASIC money on GPUs to mine them.
 
Lilalaunebaer said:
Coin miners buying up all the AMD cards, driving the demand to insane levels -> less available -> higher prices.

I mean look at this. Supply bought up by one guy, taking the cards away for probably 50 Gamers.

http://decryption.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cpldi.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

This legitimately upsets me.
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Gattsby said:
Still not making sense. You're saying your profit is coming from Litecoins that you transfer to Bitcoins. So what's the return on transfer?

And if you spent $6,000 on an ASIC you would be in the black within a month, not six. At six months you would have doubled your investment.

GPUs are so insanely less powerful than an ASIC, that Litecoins must have crazy margins to even be worth dropping ASIC money on GPUs to mine them.
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Ok, i´ll just use these two calculators with an investment of 6k.

Bitcoin: http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

6k -> 1200 GH/s -> 0.19 Bitcoins per day. (Though that amount will decrease constantly due to the difficulty increasing immensly.)

Altcoins: I´ll use the profability of this autotrading multipool: http://clevermining.com/

0.01 bitcoins/MH/s per day. Now 6k for graphics cards would net about ~16 Megahash/s. giving about 0.16 bitoins per day.

Now you have to decide for yourself what would be the better investment for you.

Asic: Less electricity, only usable for sha-256 coins, useless if bitcoin is gone.

Graphics card: uses more electricity, usable for every scrypt coin, sellable if everything goes down.

Just have to decide what is better for you. No real right or wrong.
 
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