It wipes the floor with Ampere. Even with RT, that's the coup de grâce.I wonder what the 6800XT does then?
It wipes the floor with Ampere. Even with RT, that's the coup de grâce.
If AMD's smart they won't even try to do a DLSS alternative, just push VRS hard because you can add that to consoles too, and since it's incompatible with DLSS, it will end up that AMD + VRS > Nvidia + DLSS.
It's gonna be a
USD $80 above the 3070 MSRP (which is likely going to go up in shops due to demand) for twice the VMEM (16 GB) and higher performance seems reasonable.RX 6800 seems overpriced.
For me, it shows a confidence in their product.USD $80 above the 3070 MSRP (which is likely going to go up in shops due to demand) for twice the VMEM (16 GB) and higher performance seems reasonable.
This is the dumbest post i ever read. Barely anyone will upgrade to zen 3? Ok, talk about being delusional.
For me, it shows a confidence in their product.
But I think many are disappointed as many were hoping for 3070 level performance under $400. Not that that is fair.
Most people will not use 5000 series cpu no matter if you like it or not. Anybody that recently upgraded towards a 3000 / 9000 or 10000 series CPU which are a lot of people will probably not spend much time on it. Sure u got your enthusiast people that upgrade there cpu's every gen because reasons. But most people won't. That's just simple a thing u don't seem to understand.
Locking performance of a GPU towards a certain architecture to upsell the product and then advertise with that performance vs a competitor that does not require another motherboard + CPU is ridiculous in my view to even talk about. U can disagree with it all you want.
Given the huge uplift that these Ryzen 5000 CPUs bring in performance and also gaining the "performance crown" in gaming is a really huge thing and very important to a lot of people. I think the CPUs are going to sell like crazy.
done a quick SOTR raytraced shadows bench maxed at 4k on my rtx3080:
vs.
rx 6800 (presumably)
Your RT shadow is in ultra, while the 6800 screenshot say 高 which is "High". Maybe you can try another shot with High RT
even RTX2xxx support vrs tier 2 so i don't understand why vrs would benefit only amd cardIt wipes the floor with Ampere. Even with RT, that's the coup de grâce.
If AMD's smart they won't even try to do a DLSS alternative, just push VRS hard because you can add that to consoles too, and since it's incompatible with DLSS, it will end up that AMD + VRS > Nvidia + DLSS.
It's gonna be a
Yes, Turing and above have VRS support but the crucial part is that you can't combine VRS with DLSS, so you have to choose between the two. In that case the advantage in performance using DLSS offers will be closer to 10-15%, and the AMD cards will already be 10-15% faster than Ampere ones while also having more vram etc. Essentially it nullifies any software advantage Nvidia has in gaming.even RTX2xxx support vrs tier 2 so i don't understand why vrs would benefit only amd card
could you explain ?
ok it's clear to me now !Yes, Turing and above have VRS support but the crucial part is that you can't combine VRS with DLSS, so you have to choose between the two. In that case the advantage in performance using DLSS offers will be closer to 10-15%, and the AMD cards will already be 10-15% faster than Ampere ones while also having more vram etc. Essentially it nullifies any software advantage Nvidia has in gaming.
The best part about VRS is that all consoles will have it so it's easier to justify adding that to your game than DLSS (because ofc consoles can't do DLSS). The really light form of VRS offers basically no visible image quality hit for 10% performance gain. You can also get higher performance but then the loss starts becoming noticeable.
I've actually said this since Turing got launched, VRS is the future for games, not DLSS.
Your posts are full of bullshit. First of all ryzen 5000 series are hyped as hell and plenty of people will upgrade.Most people will not use 5000 series cpu no matter if you like it or not. Anybody that recently upgraded towards a 3000 / 9000 or 10000 series CPU which are a lot of people will probably not spend much time on it. Sure u got your enthusiast people that upgrade there cpu's every gen because reasons. But most people won't. That's just simple a thing u don't seem to understand.
Locking performance of a GPU towards a certain architecture to upsell the product and then advertise with that performance vs a competitor that does not require another motherboard + CPU is ridiculous in my view to even talk about. U can disagree with it all you want.
It's like nvidia locking DLSS into only intel cpu's then advertise with it vs AMD that does not. ( as example )
The main issue i see on tech forums is that people are upset about the prices of there next gpu's being nvidia like. People hoped for a more 5000 series price with a uplift in performance that puts it in the ballpark of 3000 series.
I will upgrade my r5 3600 with zen3. Why? Because I can easily sell my 3600, mobo, ram and 1660 super on second hand market. That way I've never paid full price for an upgrade.Most people will not use 5000 series cpu no matter if you like it or not. Anybody that recently upgraded towards a 3000 / 9000 or 10000 series CPU which are a lot of people will probably not spend much time on it. Sure u got your enthusiast people that upgrade there cpu's every gen because reasons. But most people won't. That's just simple a thing u don't seem to understand.
Locking performance of a GPU towards a certain architecture to upsell the product and then advertise with that performance vs a competitor that does not require another motherboard + CPU is ridiculous in my view to even talk about. U can disagree with it all you want.
It's like nvidia locking DLSS into only intel cpu's then advertise with it vs AMD that does not. ( as example )
The main issue i see on tech forums is that people are upset about the prices of there next gpu's being nvidia like. People hoped for a more 5000 series price with a uplift in performance that puts it in the ballpark of 3000 series.
Yes, Turing and above have VRS support but the crucial part is that you can't combine VRS with DLSS, so you have to choose between the two. In that case the advantage in performance using DLSS offers will be closer to 10-15%, and the AMD cards will already be 10-15% faster than Ampere ones while also having more vram etc. Essentially it nullifies any software advantage Nvidia has in gaming.
The best part about VRS is that all consoles will have it so it's easier to justify adding that to your game than DLSS (because ofc consoles can't do DLSS). The really light form of VRS offers basically no visible image quality hit for 10% performance gain. You can also get higher performance but then the loss starts becoming noticeable.
I've actually said this since Turing got launched, VRS is the future for games, not DLSS.
Native (with RT)
DLSS (with RT)
CAS does nothing in this game
Your RT shadow is in ultra, while the 6800 screenshot say 高 which is "High". Maybe you can try another shot with High RT
Over what time period? It is not as if SAM is just going to stop working in a year's time. And for all we know it will be supported with the 6000 series of CPUs, also. For all we know it will be supported for the whole generation.Most people will not use 5000 series cpu no matter if you like it or not. Anybody that recently upgraded towards a 3000 / 9000 or 10000 series CPU which are a lot of people will probably not spend much time on it. Sure u got your enthusiast people that upgrade there cpu's every gen because reasons. But most people won't. That's just simple a thing u don't seem to understand.
We don't know what role PCIe 4, or Zen 3's unified cache has in enabling SAM's performance improvements.Locking performance of a GPU towards a certain architecture to upsell the product and then advertise with that performance vs a competitor that does not require another motherboard + CPU is ridiculous in my view to even talk about. U can disagree with it all you want.
This doesn't look like 15% to me:
I'm talking about DLSS Quality mode. Any lower than that and we're going into very subjective territory of how close does 1080p really look to 4K (ie performance mode), which is dumb. And it's 15% because I'm subtracting the boost VRS gives AMD, so that's what's left. When we're talking DLSS & RT performance you have to be very careful because DLSS does things in the background which results in gimped RT-ing, so again - not apples to apples (see 2nd image).
Actually the benchmark in WD:L isn't CPU limited, which is how they tested. It's in the open world where CPU limits get hit quick. F1 2020, still that ballpark (30% here at most). Keep in mind I don't add RT results for a reason, like I've said, if they tweak the RT to be a much lower setting behind the scene including gimping rays shot, then that's not apples to apples - that's also something available to AMD if they want the worse effects. At that point you can no longer compare DLSS to native, because you're too far away from native quality, so then you have to compare to lower res.Watchdogs is CPU limited so DLSS doesn't do much to performance that's true. My SS from Ghostrunner is from QUALITY DLSS. And yes, RT resolution is based by ingame resolution so native res that DLSS works with, it will look worse obviously.
I did but I didn't bring it up. Charging glee for real world benchmarks.No one noticed that in certain instances at 1440p, the 6800 Non-XT can actually outperform the RTX 3090?
Because they are a great team and do good work that is very thorough.Why would a sane person watch DF reviews after Ampere "super early preview" video is beyond me.
There are plenty of reputable sites, from techpowerup to computerbase, who sum things up nicely, without asking people to click and waste time watching video.
I remember when I had an Nvidia GPU, drivers used to crash all the time, I got many freezes and BSODS. There was a year when pretty much all Nvidia drivers had to follow up with a hotfix, I was constantly on NV forums reading what these issues were about. People are pretending that NV drivers are the gravy train...I've had an AMD GPU for years now and have never had an issue, people use the whole 5700XT issues which did not even affect everybody as a general glove, when that was sorted long ago and generally performance in games from 5700XT's launch to now has improved massively. The green team has always tried to blame drivers for not buying or supporting AMD, but driver issues and more prevalent on NV cards by a whopping huge margin....I never had any problems with Radeon drivers from 2014-2017, but I definitely heard about issues on GeForce. I think there was just that one 5700XT issue for a little while that the green warriors held up to prove they were right all along.
It happens on both but people are probably harping on the <2010-era when there were some significant driver problems. I'm not against saying that my preferred GFX-cards come from AMD and drivers where shit for some time but the current drivers haven't given me any grief so far, friends are telling me that pre-2019 it had been fine for a very long time.I remember when I had an Nvidia GPU, drivers used to crash all the time, I got many freezes and BSODS. There was a year when pretty much all Nvidia drivers had to follow up with a hotfix, I was constantly on NV forums reading what these issues were about. People are pretending that NV drivers are the gravy train...I've had an AMD GPU for years now and have never had an issue, people use the whole 5700XT issues which did not even affect everybody as a general glove, when that was sorted long ago and generally performance in games from 5700XT's launch to now has improved massively. The green team has always tried to blame drivers for not buying or supporting AMD, but driver issues and more prevalent on NV cards by a whopping huge margin....
We have no info as of yet, the generally considered to be mid-range cards are not out yet, and we don't have official benches yet.I need to ask: the initial rumour about the AMD gpu variant with very high frequency and lower CUs number was a total bullshit?
Ah so they have just showed the cards for the enthusiast. Ok. I haven't followed the event.We have no info as of yet, the generally considered to be mid-range cards are not out yet, and we don't have official benches yet.
Waiting for it and preordering, can return within 14days though.
While I love AMD and I would wish for the benches to be accurate we don't know yet. Wait for the 18th of Novembre which is the release date or trustworthy sources before that.Ah so they have just showed the cards for the enthusiast. Ok. I haven't followed the event.
Based on the leaks, Navi 22 will have 40 CUs, and is expected early next year. AIB clocks for Navi 21 (6800 series that launching soon) are rumoured to be very high, though.Ah so they have just showed the cards for the enthusiast. Ok. I haven't followed the event.
I would upgrade since I have ASUS ROG Strix X570 motherboard and R9-3900X. Target: R9-5900XYour posts are full of bullshit. First of all ryzen 5000 series are hyped as hell and plenty of people will upgrade.
They are full of shit.Because they are a great team and do good work that is very thorough.
They're fine.They are full of shit.
As for thorough reviews, there is anandtech, or if one prefers watching videos, Hardware Unboxed, among others, neither of which were caught with shit DF was caught with.
Oh boy...Caught with what?
Truly compelling case you have there.Oh boy...
Nah not return. Sell it localy to someone for reasonable bit more. Nothing crazy. Only if 1080p will be massively different. If not then I'll stick with RTX because afaik Shadowplay and NVENC are still somewhat more optimized and I'm casually recording and streaming my gameplay so I could swallow 3-4% FPS diff for NVENC etc. Still great to see AMD back in the game!That's probably not feasible, I'd save the cost&time to return shit. Buy AMD GFX next time round dut. Stick with AMD processors though or I'll shit on your porch decorations.
Do you think you will be able to easily acquire a 6900XT and sell a used 3080 for significantly more than it cost in 6 weeks?
It wipes the floor with Ampere. Even with RT, that's the coup de grâce.
Should be sweet if you can sell it for a fair bit more.Sell it localy to someone for reasonable bit more.
We also have conflicting info on RT performance, can't wait to see those. On a raster perspective those AMD cards are VERY good.DF's misleading "super early preview" of Ampere was discussed several times on this forum.
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It wipes the floor with Ampere. Even with RT, that's the coup de grâce.
If AMD's smart they won't even try to do a DLSS alternative, just push VRS hard because you can add that to consoles too, and since it's incompatible with DLSS, it will end up that AMD + VRS > Nvidia + DLSS.
It's gonna be a
I also agree that it "wipes the floor" since its slightly faster, cheaper, consumes less power, overclocks better and has 60% to 100% more Vram. What more could you possibly want?Since when does trade blows mean "wipe the floor" with someone? You are either trolling or just living in a dream reality.
VRS the future??? That future would of come into fruition a while ago if it were true. AMD is developing something to combat DLSS because they know they need to or else they would not have asked everyone to please wait until 2021 to see what they have. I have a feeling it will be competitve with DLSS.
Its good to see AMD competitive but its hyperbolic misinformation like this shit which leads to disappointment when people take it seriously.
I also agree that it "wipes the floor" since its slightly faster, cheaper, consumes less power, overclocks better and has 60% to 100% more Vram. What more could you possibly want?
DLSS 2 is a glorified TAA => blurry, detail wiping transformation a very far cry from what insane people claim it to be.combat DLSS