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[LiquidMetal14]

Then your previous post wouldn't make much sense considering the $3 billion is the cost that MS is paying to AMD.

Why wouldn't I be talking about AMD and noting a struggling company? Because I assumed most of us on here knew AMD isn't exactly setting the world on fire right now and because of what the original poster I quoted said about 3 not being a lot. Why would that even imply me talking about MSFT when the receiver of the money is the news here?

It wouldn't even make sense for my original statement to imply MSFT (the spender) is struggling.

 

[sTeLioSco]

Yeah i'm sure there will be no graphically impressive games on X1.

just some other company paid less and will also have graphically impressive games and probably the best muliplatforms for the whole gen

so yeah.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Yeah i'm sure there will be no graphically impressive games on X1.

Hell ya we will see some awesome looking games. The xbone will finally match pc graphic from 2007 lol.

 

[FordGTGuy]

You think they won't?

Consider the amount of money they've made just from the Xbox Live Gold Service.

Now they expect to take a cut from even used games.

The division needs to generate profit, doesn't matter if the whole company can absorb the loss.
It does matter to a point, because they can absorb the cost if something goes wrong, but you get my point.

Xbox is pretty much part of their R&D and it is very important for them to keep it afloat so yes I think they will keep throwing money at it.

You think MS will keep throwing money at the Xbox division if all they do is throw it away?

4.5 billion dollars is a HUGE investment for a console. Not a chance in hell the Xbone makes it back.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Xbox is pretty much part of their R&D and it is very important for them to keep it afloat so yes I think they will keep throwing money at it.

I think you misunderstood my post, I just listed the money Microsoft spend so far because it's interesting (and it is in fact, very expensive).

I don't expect them to close this division something like this, even if it bombs.
But the division needs to get this money back regardless and that will take some time.

 

[Monty Mole]

3 billion and the best they can come up with is roughly 5x the power of the 360 after 8 years.

Pretty weak. though I do blame Microsoft over all foe having the vision of what I hope will go down as the shittiest console in gaming history

The "project" is worth $3b. That doesn't mean $3b spent purely on R&D, it may well include supply and delivery over a specific time period.

Regardless, raw "power" doesn't tell the whole story. There's rumours of additional chips, such as "Shape" which is designed for offloading Kinect and audio tasks, along side the Move engines, ESRAM, etc. Microsoft wasn't building a powerful games console, they were aiming to build a well-balanced entertainment system. Whether that ends up being the case, time will tell. But 360's architecture has certainly proven the test of time, if history is anything to go by.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

The "project" is worth $3b. That doesn't mean $3b spent purely on R&D, it may well include supply and delivery over a specific time period.

Regardless, raw "power" doesn't tell the whole story. There's rumours of additional chips, such as "Shape" which is designed for offloading Kinect and audio tasks, along side the Move engines, ESRAM, etc. Microsoft wasn't building a powerful games console, they were aiming to build a well-balanced entertainment system. Whether that ends up being the case, time will tell. But 360's architecture has certainly proven the test of time, if history is anything to go by.

What do you mean by "supply and delivery"? AMD doesn't have fabs any more.

 

[abadguy]

just some other company paid less and will also have graphically impressive games and probably the best muliplatforms for the whole gen

so yeah.

Sounds like the same "xbox 1.5" bullshit i heard in 05.

 

[Spongebob]

Should be good for AMD.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Strange, wasn't 360 only billed at $530m as far as R&D on hardware? I'm thinking that number is the total cost of Xbox One, not just specific to AMD's contribution.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Strange, wasn't 360 only billed at $530m as far as R&D on hardware? I'm thinking that number is the total cost of Xbox One, not just specific to AMD's contribution.

Value of the dollar has changed greatly since the X360 was created.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

The "project" is worth $3b. That doesn't mean $3b spent purely on R&D, it may well include supply and delivery over a specific time period.

Regardless, raw "power" doesn't tell the whole story. There's rumours of additional chips, such as "Shape" which is designed for offloading Kinect and audio tasks, along side the Move engines, ESRAM, etc. Microsoft wasn't building a powerful games console, they were aiming to build a well-balanced entertainment system. Whether that ends up being the case, time will tell. But 360's architecture has certainly proven the test of time, if history is anything to go by.

360's architecture/hardware was state of the art when it released.

Xbone is a tablet cpu with a gpu equivalent to a high end gpu from 4-5 years ago.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Value of the dollar has changed greatly since the X360 was created.

Not by that much.

 

[dragonbane]

Sounds like the same "xbox 1.5" bullshit i heard in 05.

The architecture is identical this time, therefore it allows for direct comparisons.

 

[metalslimer]

You think MS will keep throwing money at the Xbox division if all they do is throw it away?

4.5 billion dollars is a HUGE investment for a console. Not a chance in hell the Xbone makes it back.

??? This 3 billion is for the whole lifecycle of the console. Which as has been pointed out is at most 50 dollars per unit. Billions of dollars are spent manufacturing consoles over the course of a generation for any company.

 

[Beermeister]

+3 billion dollars for 6 CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power and 5 GB of memory for games. Well spent money, Microsoft.

 

[gaming_noob]

Bob Feldstein is the greatest salesman alive. MS got owned hard...

 

[Angelus Errare]

Value of the dollar has changed greatly since the X360 was created.

Nowhere near that much.

 

[Bluekaveli]

I wonder how much for the PS4.

 

[abadguy]

The architecture is identical this time, therefore it allows for direct comparisons.

Whatever. If what they showed of Forza looks that way in real time during gameplay for a launch title, i think the X1 will do just fine as far as graphics are concerned.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

If this doesn't include phil harrison's 1b+ dollars on games... All in all xbox one will probably bill M$ 5B on an international worldwide release. With advertising and continued development.

You're really counting on that xbox live money eh MS? This console keeps sounding more and more like it's repeating the mistakes of the PS3. Only instead of making a bet on blu-ray it's a bet on entertainment device that sells you another subscription a year.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Nowhere near that much.

I'm not saying that it explains the price difference, I'm merely saying that it makes a direct comparison hard to do unless you start converting the dollar difference.

If this doesn't include phil harrison's 1b+ dollars on games... All in all xbox one will probably bill M$ 5B on an international worldwide release. With advertising and continued development.

You're really counting on that xbox live money eh MS? This console keeps sounding more and more like it's repeating the mistakes of the PS3. Only instead of making a bet on blu-ray it's a bet on entertainment device that sells you another subscription a year.

I find it funny how you guys think Microsoft would need to rely on money from Xbox Live to pull something like this off.

 

[paradise_circus]

couldn't he mean the r&d for the gcn apu in general? i mean the cell r&d costs were about 1,2 billion dollars splitted by ibm, toshiba and sony.

 

[sTeLioSco]

Whatever. If what they showed of Forza looks that way in real time during gameplay for a launch title, i think the X1 will do just fine as far as graphics are concerned.

well,why they didnt show nothing real time on stage? only seconds of callofduty on video

sony was months earlier and had gameplay demos.

 

[Uncle Rupee]

The division needs to generate profit, doesn't matter if the whole company can absorb the loss.
It does matter to a point, because they can absorb the cost if something goes wrong, but you get my point.

Actually, it doesn't. The real xbox 1 lost the games division a billion dollars every year it was in production.

 

[M°°nblade]

+3 billion dollars for 6 CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power and 5 GB of memory for games. Well spent money, Microsoft.

Microsoft's strategy is starting to get clear.

MS isn't stupid. They are confident enough that they will be able to pull off cloud gaming and that virtual clients will make expensive, powerful local hardware unnecessary withing 3-5 years.

The XBone is a transitional console. It needs to have enough local graphic power to recieve next-gen games for the next couple of years, and at the same time it needs to be ready for cloud gaming when it kicks in mid-gen.

That's why it's online only.
That's why it has 3 different OS taking up 3GB.

Within a few years after the hardware launch they'll announce and/or launch their own gakai service. How good and in what resolution your game runs will not depend on the local hardware anymore, it will depend on the quality of your cable/DSL subscription.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Is it even ethical that this guy worked at both projects at once?

 

[Jac_Solar]

+3 billion dollars for 6 CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power and 5 GB of memory for games. Well spent money, Microsoft.

Ahaha that's a great GIF. What show is it from? I recognize the GiantBomb cast guys or one of them, but not sure what show it's from.

Regarding the topic, why does he mention the costs for such a massive project at all? Isn't that a bit weird? I mean, I appreciate that someone is finally coming out with some costs info on the games industry, but won't that appear weird to investors and other companies who might hire him?

 

[Biggzy]

Is it even ethical that this guy worked at both projects at once?

Same thing happened with the 360 and the PS3.

 

[iamshadowlark]

I'm really having a tough time quantifying 3 billion worth R&D with the product they just presented.

That would be more than 3x Sonys initial investment in Cell, with almost nothing to show for it.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Same thing happened with the 360 and the PS3.

Yeah but who do they even sign NDAs and stuff. Mind boggling. Everyone knows everyone's every secret.

 

[Oblivion]

If this doesn't include phil harrison's 1b+ dollars on games...

I hear this mentioned a lot. Elaboration, pls.

 

[Nibel]

And all the money went into this

 

[Touch]

Should of just bought tumblr.

 

[phosphor112]

"They spent 3 billion on the AMD project for Xbox One. It'll be more powerful than Sony! Secret sauce!"

"They spent 1 billion on video game content for Xbox One. It'll have more games than Sony!"

Proof that sinking money into holes doesn't do shit unless it's well spent.

 

[Caddle]

Wait, so now sinking a billions dollars into games is a bad thing. What the hell do some of you people want?

 

[tipoo]

Holy. The entire Cell contract was only 400 million. But then again, an APU is a bigger deal than the CPU or GPU in isolation.

 

[oVerde]

Microsoft's strategy is starting to get clear.

MS isn't stupid. They are confident enough that they will be able to pull off cloud gaming and that virtual clients will make expensive, powerful local hardware unnecessary withing 3-5 years.

The XBone is a transitional console. It needs to have enough local graphic power to recieve next-gen games for the next couple of years, and at the same time it needs to be ready for cloud gaming when it kicks in mid-gen.

That's why it's online only.
That's why it has 3 different OS taking up 3GB.

Within a few years after the hardware launch they'll announce and/or launch their own gakai service. How good and in what resolution your game runs will not depend on the local hardware anymore, it will depend on the quality of your cable/DSL subscription.

This is the roadmap for sure, or MS went full retarded

 

[phosphor112]

Wait, so now sinking a billions dollars into games is a bad thing. What the hell do some of you people want?

No, I'm saying MS is garbage at making these sort off investments.
3 billion for AND on a chip that's worse.
1 billion on games.
.4 billion on NFL...

They just throw their money at shit.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Wait, so now sinking a billions dollars into games is a bad thing. What the hell do some of you people want?

We're just tryna figure out where it went.

 

[Ardenyal]

How many billions they spent on the clouds is what is more interesting to me, seeing as most of the processing power is coming from there.