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[Solo]

Ever ridden on amtrack? A city bus? Greyhound?

Somehow people don't murder, rape, and freak out while on those forms of travel.

There was some dude in Canada a few years back who beheaded some people on a bus with an axe.

 

[Ether_Snake]

While your other points are excellent (and you left out what would you do if someone was in need of first aid and none of the passengers is trained at all) I'm curious exactly how big a deal this is REALLY. I mean, look at South West, they don't even use assigned seating!

OMG CLOSE THREAD

Where's the police alarms .gif when you need it?

 

[Koodo]

You must have missed the part where I said air marshals would continue to be present. One "air cop" (which many flights already have in addition to flight attendants) will address all of these points. As for the asinine "PEOPLE WON'T FIND THEIR SEATS" whining, I'm not sure what the fuck you people are talking or worrying about.

Ever ridden on amtrack? A city bus? Greyhound?

Somehow people don't murder, rape, and freak out while on those forms of travel.

Apparently something about being on an airplane though will suddenly turn average people into lord of the flies. This thread is fucking hilarious.

So you're using the worst form of long-distance transportation as an example?

Baby, you're not going anywhere with this. Just admit you have a higher threshold for subpar service and we'll all understand. However, do realize most of us (and the general consumer) doesn't disregard service to the same extent you do.

 

[elrechazado]

There was some dude in Canada a few years back who beheaded some people on a bus with an axe.

Ok, like I said, we need flight attendant equivalents on buses, RIGHT NOW. It's an emergency, and clearly the axe murderer would have been stopped if he had a bag of pretzels and half a diet coke.

 

[Stinkles]

While your other points are excellent (and you left out what would you do if someone was in need of first aid and none of the patients is trained at all) I'm curious exactly how big a deal this is REALLY. I mean, look at South West, they don't even use assigned seating!

Well, it's a big enough deal that Southwest changed their seating a bit to give some passengers first dibs. And a lot of people won't fly Southwest because they hate the first come first served seating. Relegating it to budget travelers only.

More importantly, the awkwardness and stupidity that ensue when any of the following happens:

Ancient Vietnamese lady sits in middle sea of exit row.
Two toddlers in the same row as you.
A huge fat bastard in the middle seat.
Drunk guy from economy sitting in First.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Well, if they do, clearly the only way to stop it is to have a few uniformed people who can serve drinks. We need legislation immediately to stop the holocaust of bus rapes and train chaos that's sweeping the nation. A subway stewardess could have clearly stopped any of that from happening. Really dude??

You're the one saying these things don't happen.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

While your other points are excellent (and you left out what would you do if someone was in need of first aid and none of the patients is trained at all) I'm curious exactly how big a deal this is REALLY. I mean, look at South West, they don't even use assigned seating!

http://www.seatguru.com/

I am particular about where I sit. I don't want to be next to the bathroom on a 11 hour flight. I don't want to be near the flight attendants' area. I don't want to be near the front. I want the most leg room and the best seat. Matters less when you aren't in economy, but I always fly cheap in NA.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

It's a national security issue. If we didn't have flight attendants, who would give us our half a soda, show us how to buckle a seatbelt, and say "bye" when we get off the plane????

Of course they can't strike...too vital they remain at work.

Not everyone is a misanthropic twat. The average flight passenger probably appreciates the human interaction, service, and eye candy.

 

[Solo]

Ok, like I said, we need flight attendant equivalents on buses, RIGHT NOW. It's an emergency, and clearly the axe murderer would have been stopped if he had a bag of pretzels and half a diet coke.

You're right. What they needed was A CONSPICUOUS AIR MARSHALL (TM).

 

[elrechazado]

You're the one saying these things don't happen.

Yes, they never happen. That's exactly the implication that one should take away from what I said. I know you're still embarrassed about being totally wrong with your first "points" that you tried to make, but you can really just walk away now without me thinking any less of you, I promise!

Not everyone is a misanthropic twat. The average flight passenger probably appreciates the human interaction, service, and eye candy.

I'd like someone to ride with me to work and serve me drinks then too, but there's a difference between luxury and necessity, now isn't there?

 

[Ether_Snake]

Maybe elrechazao is Kevin Smith?

Yes, they never happen. That's exactly the implication that one should take away from what I said. I know you're still embarrassed about being totally wrong with your first "points" that you tried to make, but you can really just walk away now without me thinking any less of you, I promise!


I'd like someone to ride with me to work and serve me drinks then too, but there's a difference between luxury and necessity, now isn't there?

Takes you 11 hours to get to work, and it costs you $1500?

 

[Solo]

Maybe elrechazao is Kevin Smith?

I can picture the jorts.

 

[X26]

You must have missed the part where I said air marshals would continue to be present. One "air cop" (which many flights already have in addition to flight attendants) will address all of these points. As for the asinine "PEOPLE WON'T FIND THEIR SEATS" whining, I'm not sure what the fuck you people are talking or worrying about.

Ever ridden on amtrack? A city bus? Greyhound?

Somehow people don't murder, rape, and freak out while on those forms of travel.

Apparently something about being on an airplane though will suddenly turn average people into lord of the flies. This thread is fucking hilarious.

One air marshal wouldn't be able to do all that, and it would be an incredibly uneasy and uncomfortable experience for passengers if they tried. Passengers would think twice before using that airline again.

Comparing ground based transit to a plane, 30,000ft in the air, is nonsensical

Every flight I've been on there's never been a freak out or emergency, but you need trained people there just in case, and they do tons of minor, but necessary, things anyways

 

[Treefingers]

elrechazao. Dude. It's called the service industry. Do you need a maid to come and clean your hotel room every day & take your laundry? No but it's nice not to have to do your own laundry & clean your own room. Just like it's nice being able to get food while on the plane. It's 2011 dude, we can afford to have nice things.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Yes, they never happen. That's exactly the implication that one should take away from what I said. I know you're still embarrassed about being totally wrong with your first "points" that you tried to make, but you can really just walk away now without me thinking any less of you, I promise!

Embarrassed how? I clearly stated that I was wrong about bringing food on to a plane... there was no double speak there.

However you are still wrong on video presentations and a single Air Marshall replacing the flight attendant staff.

 

[Stinkles]

Yes, they never happen. That's exactly the implication that one should take away from what I said. I know you're still embarrassed about being totally wrong with your first "points" that you tried to make, but you can really just walk away now without me thinking any less of you, I promise!


I'd like someone to ride with me to work and serve me drinks then too, but there's a difference between luxury and necessity, now isn't there?

If I was five terrorists and the Air Marshall was sitting there, dressed as a mall cop, I'd pretty much know what to do. Anyway, you're missing the even bigger proof that they're needed.

IF THEY WEREN'T NEEDED, THE AIRLINES WOULD HAVE CUT THEM TO SAVE COSTS.

See also "meals."

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Ok, like I said, we need flight attendant equivalents on buses, RIGHT NOW. It's an emergency, and clearly the axe murderer would have been stopped if he had a bag of pretzels and half a diet coke.

lol @ replicating the Greyhound experience on an international flight to be shared with up to 400 people. no thanks. I'll pay the extra 5 bux and have a team of flight attendants to keep things clean and organize the masses.

 

[elrechazado]

elrechazao. Dude. It's called the service industry. Do you need a maid to come and clean your hotel room every day & take your laundry? No but it's nice not to have to do your own laundry & clean your own room. Just like it's nice being able to get food while on the plane. It's 2011 dude, we can afford to have nice things.

I was responding to the idea that they were necessary, hence the argument that they are not. I never said nobody could have a luxury if they want to pay for it. This is a hard concept to understand, as this thread demonstrates.

If I was five terrorists and the Air Marshall was sitting there, dressed as a mall cop, I'd pretty much know what to do. Anyway, you're missing the even bigger proof that they're needed.

IF THEY WEREN'T NEEDED, THE AIRLINES WOULD HAVE CUT THEM TO SAVE COSTS.

See also "meals."

And they have cut back on the numbers of them, so I'm glad we agree. Additionally, smaller commuter planes generally only have one. But judging by this thread, that's a major security threat, because what if 100 people start fucking in the aisles, smoking, and can't find their way back to their seats? How will one stewardess deal with this anarchy??

 

[Ether_Snake]

I was responding to the idea that they were necessary, hence the argument that they are not. I never said nobody could have a luxury if they want to pay for it. This is a hard concept to understand, as this thread demonstrates.

The only thing difficult to understand is your attempt at self-fellatio over this thread.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I was responding to the idea that they were necessary, hence the argument that they are not. I never said nobody could have a luxury if they want to pay for it. This is a hard concept to understand, as this thread demonstrates.

Except flying is a luxury above that of a bus, train, or automobile. That's why their isn't any attendants on those (even though trains have dining cars.) Not to mention that flying on a plane is a little more complicated when it comes to emergencies.

 

[elrechazado]

The only thing difficult to understand is your attempt at self-fellatio over this thread.

You've come into this thread to make probably 5-6 little snipy and "clever" comments with zero substance, and solely to insult me, which is fine. But having done so and contributed absolutely nothing, you might want to check that self supposed moral high ground chief.

 

[Koodo]

elrechazao. Dude. It's called the service industry. Do you need a maid to come and clean your hotel room every day & take your laundry? No but it's nice not to have to do your own laundry & clean your own room. Just like it's nice being able to get food while on the plane. It's 2011 dude, we can afford to have nice things.

We just need to drop it. He's clearly running on an outdated model of service or simply doesn't care about satisfaction (which is fine, honestly).

However, it's just plain ignorance to assume this is a universal (which is what would dictate whether these attendants keep getting work or not). For the moment and the foreseeable future, these attendants are regarded as valuable and necessary (necessary to stomach an already subpar experience) by the general masses and will remain working. Case closed.

 

[elrechazado]

Except flying is a luxury above that of a bus, train, or automobile. That's why their isn't any attendants on those (even though trains have dining cars.) Not to mention that flying on a plane is a little more complicated when it comes to emergencies.

Could air travel as it exists today take place without 3-4 flight attendants on each flight? If you don't think the answer is yes, you have no conception of reality, and to argue that chaos and horror would result is asinine.

Whether you would want to take part in that travel because it wouldn't meet your own expectations is a different question. I don't enjoy traveling greyhound because the experience is shit, but that doesn't mean bus travel isn't perfectly viable and extant.

With that, I'll move on, before some mod gives me a permanent flight attendant avatar and a "would you like some peanuts" tag.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Could air travel as it exists today take place without 3-4 flight attendants on each flight? If you don't think the answer is yes, you have no conception of reality, and to argue that chaos and horror would result is asinine.

Could flight travel exist without attendants? Yes. Would it be a good mode of transportation? No. Would I want to do it no? Would anyone else? Not in their right mind.

Whether you would want to take part in that travel because it wouldn't meet your own expectations is a different question. I don't enjoy traveling greyhound because the experience is shit, but that doesn't mean bus travel isn't perfectly viable and extant.

So why are you arguing that we don't need flight attendants if you choose not to use grey hound because they lack those services?

 

[elrechazado]

Could flight travel exist without attendants? Yes. Would it be a good mode of transportation? No. Would I want to do it no? Would anyone else? Not in their right mind.



So why are you arguing that we don't need flight attendants if you choose not to use grey hound because they lack those services?

I'm glad we finally agree that they aren't necessary. That's a good ending point for me, it was a pleasure debating this with you friend.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Could flight travel exist without attendants? Yes. Would it be a good mode of transportation? No. Would I want to do it no? Would anyone else? Not in their right mind.



So why are you arguing that we don't need flight attendants if you choose not to use grey hound because they lack those services?

"It's fine for all of those rats. I'll use my limo. Chauffeur!"

 

[Treefingers]

I was responding to the idea that they were necessary, hence the argument that they are not. I never said nobody could have a luxury if they want to pay for it. This is a hard concept to understand, as this thread demonstrates.

OK how about this. Is a garbage man necessary? We could all take our garbage & drive down to the landfill. Is a waiter necessary? We could just walk to the kitchen to pick up our orders.

A flight attendant is just as 'necessary'. The service industry is general is not technically necessary but it exists to make our lives easier.

So yeah I guess you're right, they're not necessary. But they are useful and that's what matters.

 

[Jangocube]

It's not like we actually need them on flights anyway.

Yes, I would love to be in a confined area flying through the sky with absolutely no one to keep order over the other group of people I'm crammed in the plane with. That sounds like an awesome idea.

 

[WickedAngel]

ITT I learned that flight attendants are totally superfluous and cash-strapped airlines are just paying them out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I'm glad we finally agree that they aren't necessary. That's a good ending point for me, it was a pleasure debating this with you friend.

Enjoy those Anarchist view points.

 

[kehs]

What kind of pussy organization needs permission to strike.

The point of a strike is to disrupt the asshole taking advantage of you.


Fucking pussies.

 

[Solo]

This is almost exactly like a tipping thread.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

I can understand the argument to an extent about flight attendants being inactive for most of the flight so the number of them per flight could be decreased (I only remember them giving me the food) but going back to the what the thread was about, I would think it would be easy to hire temporary workers while the flight attendants striked.

And btw, Southwest kicks American Airlines ass. But I guess if you want half your flights canceled just so you can get assigned seating then AA will meet your priorities.

 

[Dante23]

Do you know anything about something called "safety procedures"? and how those are different for every plane? and how those are different than any other mean of transport? do you believe that your fellow knuclehead, or anyone without proper training is capable of even know how safety procedures work in a plane before flight, during flight and after flight?

Unlike most people here seems to think, giving snacks to people and keeping them in their seats is not the core job of a flight attendant.

If you want to be less ignorant, why don't you search in google the flight attendant manual of a certain company for an Airbus 319, a MD 80 and a Boeing 747 to see how a flight attendant work is way more than you think it is?

And once again I'll say, do you think a pilot goes to an academy 3 years to learn how to fly a plane? if you do I'd say don't be ridiculous, you can learn that in less than two months, a pilot goes there to learn how to deal with an emergency. A flight attendant is more or less the same, do you think that any company with a clear goal of minimize costs and maximize benefits would want something "useless" (labeled by you) on board? seriously you can't be that ignorant. You seem to have experience flying, yet you fail to understand the importance of a flight attendant, why do you think that there is NO WAY that any flight authority (like the FAA) would let a plane fly without its full crew (pilots AND flight attendants)?

And no, for your information, I'm not a flight attendant, but I fly a lot, and I'm informed enough to be able to call your empty-headedness.

 

[Dude Abides]

Do you know anything about something called "safety procedures"? and how those are different for every plane? and how those are different than any other mean of transport? do you believe that your fellow knuclehead, or anyone without proper training is capable of even know how safety procedures work in a plane before flight, during flight and after flight?

Unlike most people here seems to think, giving snacks to people and keeping them in their seats is not the core job of a flight attendant.

If you want to be less ignorant, why don't you search in google the flight attendant manual of a certain company for an Airbus 319, a MD 80 and a Boeing 747 to see how a flight attendant work is way more than you think it is?

And once again I'll say, do you think a pilot goes to an academy 3 years to learn how to fly a plane? if you do I'd say don't be ridiculous, you can learn that in less than two months, a pilot goes there to learn how to deal with an emergency. A flight attendant is more or less the same, do you think that any company with a clear goal of minimize costs and maximize benefits would want something "useless" (labeled by you) on board? seriously you can't be that ignorant. You seem to have experience flying, yet you fail to understand the importance of a flight attendant, why do you think that there is NO WAY that any flight authority (like the FAA) would let a plane fly without its full crew (pilots AND flight attendants)?

And no, for your information, I'm not a flight attendant, but I fly a lot, and I'm informed enough to be able to call your empty-headedness.

No thanks. I'd rather pretend a plane is like a bus. I hit on a hot stewardess once and she totally rebuffed me, so I'm a bit better about that. Fuck flight attendants!

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Atc isn't allowed to strike either.

 

[Wads]

I'm glad we finally agree that they aren't necessary. That's a good ending point for me, it was a pleasure debating this with you friend.

Ha, good job beating him down to your viewpoint, but you are wrong. I won't repeat it because most of it is already in Dante23's post.

 

[Roscoe]

IF THEY WEREN'T NEEDED, THE AIRLINES WOULD HAVE CUT THEM TO SAVE COSTS.

See also "meals."

Mediocre stories aren't a requirement in FPS anymore but you still somehow have a job.

 

[gutter_trash]

i like getting served my airplane food by hot stewardesses and not seeing the bathroom cabin written with poop on the walls

 

[Link Man]

No thanks. I'd rather pretend a plane is like a bus. I hit on a hot stewardess once and she totally rebuffed me, so I'm a bit better about that. Fuck flight attendants!

Apparently you can't.

 

[quaere]

IF THEY WEREN'T NEEDED, THE AIRLINES WOULD HAVE CUT THEM TO SAVE COSTS.

Airlines are required by law to have a certain number of flight attendants per number of passengers.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Apparently you can't.

Ahahahahha brillaint.

 

[WickedAngel]

Airlines are required by law to have a certain number of flight attendants per number of passengers.

...and there's a reason for that.