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American Idol Season 8 discussion thread
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BenjaminBirdie
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Blader5489 said:
Danny was pretty creepy, though.
xs_mini_neo
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Jasper said:
QFT
Also, never forget who really gave us FOUR. MORE. YEARS. of Dubya. And that was to save the world from gay marriage. How fast people want to forget/sweep under the rug.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
xs_mini_neo said:
Holy shit ....
MiamiWesker
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MIMIC said:
The bigging of the auditions and winning the show are very different. I know he is modest but you don't think he actually feels that Adam is better. You don't say "Adam deserved this" right after you win if you dont mean it, I dont care how modest you are.
MiamiWesker
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MIMIC said:
"Heartless" won Kris the competition.
Xenon
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Yeah the gay thing is lame. But then again it falls perfectly in line with rationalizing mentality of people today. Because there has to be some other reason their choice did not win.
I will say that while his Liza Minnelli style may fall into a classic gay stereotype. My problem wasn't that it highlighted his "gay-ness" but rather I don't like showtunes in my rock.
I will say that while his Liza Minnelli style may fall into a classic gay stereotype. My problem wasn't that it highlighted his "gay-ness" but rather I don't like showtunes in my rock.
Stripping down r&b to some jangly acoustic thing is hardly new:witness said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtWnqI5zX4&feature=related
http://uk.truveo.com/Kanye-West-Heartless-Acoustic-Guitar-Cover-by/id/2934466587
Yeah Kris changed up a whole lot there...
xs_mini_neo
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War Machine said:
Good lord, I would've choked a producer if Kelly lost to that.
Speevy said:
He was even creepier when he stared at Allison during her elimination.
Jesus Carbomb said:
"Jesus Carbomb"
^^Holy shit, indeed. lol
Xenon said:
Even if the gay thing only influenced 10% of the votes, that 10% was enough to win.
You don't hear people post on the internet "I'm not going to vote for that christian Kris Allen. That guy is SO christian". People have already shown a bunch of examples of this occuring with Adam.
Anyways, Adam needs to front a glam rock band right now. He can make glam rock modern.
War Machine
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chubigans said:
Bikini Girl has a better body but I can't stand her attitude
He didn't say adam was a better singer than him. He said "Adam deserves this. I'm sorry." He basically called anyone who voted for him a total tool. :lolchubigans said:Oh please, he said that at the very beginning of the auditions.
"So are you the next American Idol?"
"Oh I dunno, I think there are better singers than me..."
edit: what MIMIC said.
xs_mini_neo
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Speevy said:
Not beer. Kris is the kind of guy Christians want marrying their daughters. But my point stands...with the ballots with gay marriage on them. There are people who are saying the gay issue is being shoved down their throats so they have a right to revenge vote. If anything, I say everything is being shoved down everyone's throat. Whether its homophobia, racism, sexism...even the poor christians who feel they are being persecuted...by those they have persecuted for thousands of years. There are other non-political things that are being shoved down everyone's throats, too. But let's single out the gay one. lol I want to single out crap, in general. Wherever it may be. There is too much of it. Where can I revenge vote against crap?
There are (were?) like 10 or more different versions of each live video. I recall adam's being top 10 for day or so with like 90k views (day or two after the show?). What was remarkable was that there were like 4 other versions with only slightly less.MIMIC said:
Do you have any more data you'd like to make up?
I liked Adam even though he definitely oversang his songs and his one-trick was overused. He showed amazing vocal range though, can't fault him for that.
What I would fault him for is being a lead on Broadway for years. I didn't watch the show much but once my gf told me he was a Broadway singer I pretty much wanted him to lose. The show is about unknowns getting a big break, and I understand there are people who have been on the show after putting out albums (think Kris had an EP) but when you're a lead vocal guy on Broadway, well, you're getting breaks. Yeah, he can sing, but I don't think that was in the spirit of the show.
That's why I would have voted against him if I ever bothered to vote, not because he was gay. If a guy is getting roles in Wicked on Broadway, well that's a pretty big break in my opinion. Let's keep AI for the guys who can't even get an audition but still have talent.
edit: If we're judging on pure talent (which we aren't, it's completely subjective and people are going to vote grudges etc) then Adam definitely deserved to win. If this was 1982 he'd have a huge career in front of him. As it is, I'm curious to see what happens. I think Brian May would be wise to snap him up and take him on a Queen reunion tour.
What I would fault him for is being a lead on Broadway for years. I didn't watch the show much but once my gf told me he was a Broadway singer I pretty much wanted him to lose. The show is about unknowns getting a big break, and I understand there are people who have been on the show after putting out albums (think Kris had an EP) but when you're a lead vocal guy on Broadway, well, you're getting breaks. Yeah, he can sing, but I don't think that was in the spirit of the show.
That's why I would have voted against him if I ever bothered to vote, not because he was gay. If a guy is getting roles in Wicked on Broadway, well that's a pretty big break in my opinion. Let's keep AI for the guys who can't even get an audition but still have talent.
edit: If we're judging on pure talent (which we aren't, it's completely subjective and people are going to vote grudges etc) then Adam definitely deserved to win. If this was 1982 he'd have a huge career in front of him. As it is, I'm curious to see what happens. I think Brian May would be wise to snap him up and take him on a Queen reunion tour.
xs_mini_neo
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Tabris said:
When will AI voters start voting for women again? This season had too much
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DJ_Tet said:
The thing is AI is a control freak and regular guys/girls don't have much of a chance on it. Some
like Kelly Clarkson slip through the cracks and hit it big, but that's the exception not the rule.
Captain Sparrow
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My opinion is that the gay issue didn't affect Adam in the way that everyone thinks here.
Read the news about text message overages. What age range sends the most text messages? 13-16 year old girls. What is the hottest thing ever to these girls? Cute guys who sing mellow and play guitar over their knee. These young girls are more likely to send 39432490324 text message votes than the older viewers who seemed to favor Adam (for the most part). I had seem many of the older crowd compare him to Elvis. The young girls didn't necessarily go gaga over Adam because the gay glam rocker doesn't get them wet.
Kris is generic garbage. If he is to have a place in the music industry, it should be behind the scenes helping other artists with arrangements. He created some great arrangements, but his voice severely lacked. Adam is exciting.
Adam WILL be an icon. It's a shame he got screwed, but hey, Michael Jordan didn't make his high school basketball team.
Read the news about text message overages. What age range sends the most text messages? 13-16 year old girls. What is the hottest thing ever to these girls? Cute guys who sing mellow and play guitar over their knee. These young girls are more likely to send 39432490324 text message votes than the older viewers who seemed to favor Adam (for the most part). I had seem many of the older crowd compare him to Elvis. The young girls didn't necessarily go gaga over Adam because the gay glam rocker doesn't get them wet.
Kris is generic garbage. If he is to have a place in the music industry, it should be behind the scenes helping other artists with arrangements. He created some great arrangements, but his voice severely lacked. Adam is exciting.
Adam WILL be an icon. It's a shame he got screwed, but hey, Michael Jordan didn't make his high school basketball team.
So he lost due to people like you who don't like him for facts that are completely incorrect? :lolDJ_Tet said:
There are rumors that he was in the running for a a Broadway lead role before starting the AI process.
Facts:
He was never on Broadway. He was never a lead singer in any professional production. He played decent roles in LA productions of wicked, the ten commandments and something else (tired!) but that is a far cry from production music circles that you need to circulate in to get a break.
AI did its job of finding the talent. America just revealed that we are at least 51% tonedeaf, stupid or hateful. You can choose two of the three.
Eh. Watch Kris fade into obscurity. Has any Idol male winner ever become anything post-idol. Sure some nice opening sales then bam into obscurity. Its a whole different world out there. Kris doesnt stand out at all in a world of me too's Justin Timberlakes. Thats how I feel however it all depends on the music at the end.
I dont know what Adam will do next but Im pretty sure he's got nothing to worry about because offers will be pouring out left and right. Hopefully he'll make smart choices as I see real potential there.
I dont know what Adam will do next but Im pretty sure he's got nothing to worry about because offers will be pouring out left and right. Hopefully he'll make smart choices as I see real potential there.
offtopic said:So he lost due to people like you who don't like him for facts that are completely incorrect? :lol
There are rumors that he was in the running for a a Broadway lead role before starting the AI process.
Facts:
He was never on Broadway. He was never a lead singer in any professional production. He played decent roles in LA productions of wicked, the ten commandments and something else (tired!) but that is a far cry from production music circles that you need to circulate in to get a break.
AI did its job of finding the talent. America just revealed that we are at least 51% tonedeaf, stupid or hateful. You can choose two of the three.
You obviously can't read.
1. I liked Adam.
2. I didn't vote.
3. I don't watch the show, was just going on what I was told. Thanks for clarifying my misconceptions.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
I wish all the success in the world for Kris. The guy truly deserves it.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
Here's the thread Adam Lambert's brother made at SA: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3139968
ProfessorLobo
Banned
I think the highlight of the night was Ryan's line. "I'd ask you what's new, but I think I already know."
chubigans said:You do when tons of analysts on talk shows, the freaking judges, and pretty much everyone else says that Adam deserved it up to that point. But the popular vote had the say.
Also,
War Machine said:
Hard to tell who has a better body from that pic. That is unless you think bigger, faker tits = better body?
Then again on age alone I'd say it's a safe assumption. Still the pic says little except both girls are in great shape (and bikini girl has a perfect body since we've already seen all of it).
Also,
bikini girl before implants > bikini girl w/ fake boobs
And lastly, reactions to Kara on page 22 has me confused. Does GAF think Kara is unattractive?
I don't really watch AI but I saw it tonight with my family. Kris winning was kinda obvious. Singing these little lovely pop songs and country songs while the other guy was playing songs I think many of the younger voters don't care about.Queen, really? Most kids today have a queen phase in HS than move on. If this is how the two were portrayed all along than of course Kris won.
Popular music won tonight. 'shrug'
Popular music won tonight. 'shrug'
Great results show. A little too long for my tastes. Too many performances, but I wish Kris the best of luck. Was he my choice to win? No, but, still, I don't want to see him fail like Ruben or Taylor. Though, I have a feeling he might. Gokey fans probably jumped to Kris just as Alison's cling to Adam. Sucks for Adam, but I'll buy his CD and that's all that counts.
That's two years in a row America has got it wrong, in my opinion, of course. Whatevs. By the way, anybody catch the judge's expressions after seeing Kris win? None of them expected it. Especially Simon, I loled so hard when I saw his face. Just as when Danny was voted out, I'll say it again, "You're tears are delicious." :lol
Out of this season, I think I'll be there day one for Adam's album. After that, my most wanted list includes Matt Giraud, Alison Iraheta, and Danny Gokey. I'll consider giving Kris' and Anoop's a spin eventually, but it depends what I hear from fans and critics. I always thought Kris deserved a top spot in the final four, but I don't know if I could listen to an album of his in its entirety. Maybe I'll just sample the singles as they come up.
All in all, a fantastic season, and I hope later seasons are just as good as this one.
That's two years in a row America has got it wrong, in my opinion, of course. Whatevs. By the way, anybody catch the judge's expressions after seeing Kris win? None of them expected it. Especially Simon, I loled so hard when I saw his face. Just as when Danny was voted out, I'll say it again, "You're tears are delicious." :lol
Out of this season, I think I'll be there day one for Adam's album. After that, my most wanted list includes Matt Giraud, Alison Iraheta, and Danny Gokey. I'll consider giving Kris' and Anoop's a spin eventually, but it depends what I hear from fans and critics. I always thought Kris deserved a top spot in the final four, but I don't know if I could listen to an album of his in its entirety. Maybe I'll just sample the singles as they come up.
All in all, a fantastic season, and I hope later seasons are just as good as this one.
KolosLazar16
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Adam should have won. Thats fucking BS
perfectchaos007
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OuterWorldVoice said:
At least she has an IQ....unlike Paula
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