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Americans: Too Fat to Fight

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ATF487 said:
I am a little bit underweight too (150lbs at 6'2) but I'd much rather have to gain a little bit of weight than having to lose 100lbs.

My underweight is a little more then that (or less?).

Furret said:
I'm genuinely curious, how can it not be easy?

Surely you just have another slice of cake and it's job done?

It doesn't always work that way for everyone. I am one of those people that just can't eat a lot. I get full very quickly and just can't take another bite without feeling sick. No, eating fast food does not help also. I actually need to eat healthier to get my weight up.
 
RustyNails said:
We may be too fat to fight, but we're not too fat for anything else!

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Man.. so much photoshop potential!
edit- Sorry for the double post :/
 
ClosingADoor said:
My underweight is a little more then that (or less?).



It doesn't always work that way for everyone. I am one of those people that just can't eat a lot. I get full very quickly and just can't take another bite without feeling sick. No, eating fast food does not help also. I actually need to eat healthier to get my weight up.

Ah, the old 'I can't eat enough to gain weight'. I used to be like you. I manned up and started stuffing my face until I felt sick, waited until I stopped feeling sick, then started stuffing my face again. I'd drink liters of whole milk, put butter and olive oil into everything I made, and I'd play a game where I couldn't put down my fork until I ate all the food on my plate.

It's not easy, but there are many harder things than gaining weight. After the first two weeks your stomach expands and your appetite increases then it's easy.
 
grumble said:
Ah, the old 'I can't eat enough to gain weight'. I used to be like you. I manned up and started stuffing my face until I felt sick, waited until I stopped feeling sick, then started stuffing my face again. I'd drink liters of whole milk, put butter and olive oil into everything I made, and I'd play a game where I couldn't put down my fork until I ate all the food on my plate.

It's not easy, but there are many harder things than gaining weight. After the first two weeks your stomach expands and your appetite increases then it's easy.
I hate you people. I look at a bag of doritos and get fat.
 
Its true but at the same time in the military we have "fatass programs" which if you fail the physical fitness test we do twice a year then you have to join the program to shape you back up. Also if you fail weight or body fat tests then you will be on that program. I'm in the Navy and to be honest yeah alot of people are out of weight standards but i stare more at the E7 and above. There are so many higher ranking individuals that probably feel they are set and don't need to worry about it. Good thing though in recent years they started kicking higher enlisted that are just fat and wasting their billet to the curb even if a year before retirement.

So basically there are programs in place to correct the deficiency although after the beginning pipeline of training people tend to blow back up or get healthier. But the twice annual physical assessment generally keeps them in average shape.
 
elrechazao said:
I hate you people. I look at a bag of doritos and get fat.

Once you break the barrier and your stomach and appetite increase, you can get fat. People who burn a lot of calories are either young, fidgety or don't eat worth a damn. People who love to eat all day don't have this issue.

I find it very easy to lose weight for example, as I can just sit at home and not eat. I'll just do other stuff. If I'm hungry, that doesn't trigger a panicked 'must eat now!' reflex. I shut that link off long ago when I was a kid. On the other hand, I have to constantly watch what I'm eating and make sure to eat right and eat enough.

Frankly, It's easier to lose weight than to gain it for me and many others. All you have to do to lose weight is to not eat. Total inactivity. Sitting on your couch and not moving to the fridge is way easier than having to get up and go to the fridge all the goddamn time.
 
grumble said:
Ah, the old 'I can't eat enough to gain weight'. I used to be like you. I manned up and started stuffing my face until I felt sick, waited until I stopped feeling sick, then started stuffing my face again. I'd drink liters of whole milk, put butter and olive oil into everything I made, and I'd play a game where I couldn't put down my fork until I ate all the food on my plate.

It's not easy, but there are many harder things than gaining weight. After the first two weeks your stomach expands and your appetite increases then it's easy.

I know. Guess I don't have the willpower for that, so I try to built it up now.
 
ClosingADoor said:
I know. Guess I don't have the willpower for that, so I try to built it up now.

I found a big trick for that is to just eat constantly. If you can't handle big meals, just eat all the time. Breakfast is essential, as if you don't eat it you miss out on a change for some calories and your stomach shrinks for the whole day. If you track your diet on fitday for a week or two, think of the calories eaten as a score. You always want to beat your previous high. Again, once you break that barrier it's clear sailing.

This is getting way OT, so maybe further discussion should go to the Fitness-GAF thread.
 
GoutPatrol said:
Because the average American eats 33% more calories then compared to the 1950s, and over the course of the century our total caloric intake coming from sugars switched to 33% (already much higher than the 15% found at the turn of the 19th century) to 50%.

Sugar is bad, especially at those levels. But saying that we should be aiming for a 50-40-10 protein/fat/carb diet is a little extreme.

People don't have to eat low carb, they just have to eat low refined carbohydrate. I don't think the government should tell the general population what percentage of macronutrients people should consume. But they should advise limiting refined carbohydrates because we know that with most people they lead to health problems.

My initial post in this thread was about how the USDA food pyramid, and the government consistently pushing for this garbage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDA_Food_Pyramid.gif

See the base of that pyramid? To the human body, that's all sugar.

EDIT: It's all blood glucose. Sugar/sucrose is actually worse than these carbs because the synergy between excess fructose fucking with the liver and excess glucose going to the liver to be converted to triglycerides is a pretty nasty combination.

Potatoes actually elevate blood sugar faster than sugar which is kind of weird. This has significantly contributed to obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and possibly cancer and dementia depending on how that scientific data turns out (shaky right now, but some data suggests that it contributes).

Constant intake of those base foods we're told to eat chronically elevates insulin, and with many people causes problems long term.

It's probably difficult to consume more than 40% unrefined carbohydrate. When you replace bread with vegetables and fruit people tend to eat far few calories. People don't want to eat 10 cups of broccoli to match the carbohydrate intake, so for people that can tolerate it, they can add some rice and low GI refined carbs. For people that cannot, they should increase dietary protein and dietary fat.

Now you say that people are fatter because they ate more calories. Yes, that's true. But the reason why most of them overate is because their insulin chronically elevated. It's the reason why you can consume 2000 calories of buttered popcorn, but not 2000 calories of a steak with the same effort.
 
WanderingWind said:
Actual fruit juice IS healthy. Not fruit drinks with 5% juice.

And the smoothies I make at home don't have any sugar, outside of the naturally occurring fructose. And they are delicious.

Real fruit juice is still mostly sugar that spikes blood glucose (and fructose) and spikes insulin more than our ancestors ever evolved to handle. You can down a glass of apple juice in 15 seconds what would take you 20 minutes of eating 8 apples to get the equivalent amount of sugar.

You can argue that there's some health benefits to plant chemicals that alter the body in some ways, but the vitamin content is usually added because the original is lost over time (like vitamin C). A much better bet is to eat real fruit.
 
HotGarbage said:
Geeze, this reminds me of a cousin of mine that got a smoothie everyday after school because he thought it was healthy. Perhaps because it had antioxidants or some shit? Anyways, some of these smoothies have 125 GODDAMN GRAMS OF SUGAR.

That's seriously just mind-blowingly ridiculous.

Irn-Bru (a Scottish soda) is pretty much sugar, water, and orange-colouring. Tastes divine though.
 
God damn all these HFCS, salt, sugar, KFC double down, etc. threads on GAF. I'm not a dietician or a doctor. What am I supposed to believe about what food is healthy and what food isn't? Who do I believe? Should I eat less fat or more? Stay away from carbs or not? Why do I even care, since I'm not over-weight? Goddammit!
 
Trent Strong said:
God damn all these HFCS, salt, sugar, KFC double down, etc. threads on GAF. I'm not a dietician or a doctor. What am I supposed to believe about what food is healthy and what food isn't? Who do I believe? Should I eat less fat or more? Stay away from carbs or not? Why do I even care, since I'm not over-weight? Goddammit!

Salt is essential to the body while HFCS & sugar are not. The FDA and USDA don't seem to believe in the scientific method. They don't change a hypothesis based on data that refutes it, they instead take an appeal to authority and insist something is despite evidence to the contrary.

Reducing salt doesn't even make sense for the entire population because healthy people don't retain excessive amounts. I'm in the Atkins induction phase on a temporary ketogenic diet, and some people lose about 5 lbs in water weight, myself included. Too much insulin causes the kidney to retain salt for some people:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=insulin+salt&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

I never bloat up despite that I'm eating more salt than before.


Does too much salt cause problems in some people? Sure, but it can be because of existing conditions, not because salt is inherently bad.
 
Trent Strong said:
God damn all these HFCS, salt, sugar, KFC double down, etc. threads on GAF. I'm not a dietician or a doctor. What am I supposed to believe about what food is healthy and what food isn't? Who do I believe? Should I eat less fat or more? Stay away from carbs or not? Why do I even care, since I'm not over-weight? Goddammit!

If our ancestors ate it twenty thousand years ago, it's probably fine.
 
grumble said:
Ah, the old 'I can't eat enough to gain weight'. I used to be like you. I manned up and started stuffing my face until I felt sick, waited until I stopped feeling sick, then started stuffing my face again. I'd drink liters of whole milk, put butter and olive oil into everything I made, and I'd play a game where I couldn't put down my fork until I ate all the food on my plate.

It's not easy, but there are many harder things than gaining weight. After the first two weeks your stomach expands and your appetite increases then it's easy.

I spent one summer getting high and eating everything I could find, usually snacks. I maybe gained 10 lbs, at most. I don't get full that easily, either.

The only time I gained any significant amount of weight is when I started working out. I got up to 177, which is a reasonable weight for a kid of my height. I actually got a gym subscription and plan on going back to that..
 
goomba said:
High fructose corn syrup

Stop using it.

But we also need to stop demonizing dietary fat, and start encouraging people to limit refined carbohydrates. Because without the alternative to dietary fat (which is usually tied to protein in nature), you must have high carb. Without the recommendation to limit refined carbohydrates, people will eat stuff like HFCS, sugar, juice, bread, potatoes, pasta.

People have to eat something.
 
industrian said:
Petition your government to stop subsidising it's production.

Apologies if you're not American.


I've already written to the white house. Doubt anything will come of it because everyone *knows* that fat is bad for you, like how Brawndo has electrolytes. So the letter will be discarded as quackery.
 
teh_pwn said:
But we also need to stop demonizing dietary fat, and start encouraging people to limit refined carbohydrates. Because without the alternative to dietary fat (which is usually tied to protein in nature), you must have high carb. Without the recommendation to limit refined carbohydrates, people will eat stuff like HFCS, sugar, juice, bread, potatoes, pasta.

People have to eat something.
I bet you're a blast at parties. Do you slap drinks out of peoples hands?

I keed, I keed.
 
Damn . . . I've bought a bunch of cereal lately. After reading all this shit, perhaps I need to go drop it all off at the local food bank.
 
speculawyer said:
Damn . . . I've bought a bunch of cereal lately. After reading all this shit, perhaps I need to go drop it all off at the local food bank.
Eating things in moderation is fine. Freaking out that you ate a slice of bread or a bowl of cereal once or twice a week is where the sane healthy advice turns into freakish fanaticism.
 
elrechazao said:
Eating things in moderation is fine. Freaking out that you ate a slice of bread or a bowl of cereal once or twice a week is where the sane healthy advice turns into freakish fanaticism.

Even that I agree with. And a beer once in a while is fine.

Just not munching on refined carbs constantly and calling it moderation because it's a "different" food (potato chips, soft drink, ice cream, etc).
 
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