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Analyst: PS3 Way Ahead of Wii
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I think Drohne is spot on about Japan. Sony has handed Nintendo the Japan console market by making the PS3 out of reach for most consumers. Now, if Sony can seriously cut that price down in a little over a year that could change things but for now they have priced themselves out of the market. I mean, I think $599 is high for the PS3 premium (Especially since Blu Ray movies look like shit at the moment and won't go to the VC1 codec until next year UGH, but I digress on that for now), imagine paying 82,000 yen for a premium PS3. Yikes. That is don't even consider purchasing territory. Japan basically has two choices at the moment, PS3 and Wii. If I lived in Japan I would buy a Wii over the PS3 as well considering how insanely high the PS3 premium price is.
Too bad the analyst didn't figure the 360 into the mix. If MS starts getting really aggressive with price points, like what is rumored, than it will be the 360 (not the PS3) which may end up hurting the Wii in the west.
Too bad the analyst didn't figure the 360 into the mix. If MS starts getting really aggressive with price points, like what is rumored, than it will be the 360 (not the PS3) which may end up hurting the Wii in the west.
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Jokeropia said:
Again, PSP never even came close to outselling the DS over there. The best it could manage was a few wins through mid January to April. It never outsold the DS by much though, and even if it were to continue selling at it's best rate, it would've taken it 9 months to catch up. DS always had a huge lead.
Mrbob said:
Bwah bwah bwah bwah
On a serious note, 360 could be the wild card. It seems as if everyone has written it off as the third place console. By launching so early, MS lost analyst visibility!
It is always interesting seeing the reactions to various analysts predicting different things.
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typhonsentra said:
Well, then one can only believe the PSP software situation was even worse, at least in the eyes of the consumers.
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MattXG said:
What are you trying to say? That GT3 has sold consistently over a long period of time, and that GT4 is one of the top selling games on the PS2?
I don't think MS can justify losing more money on 360 with price cuts. As Peter Moore said (one of the few clever things hes said) is that the 360 got a price cut when the PS3 launched.
To be honest I'm sure they're pissed off because they could of launched at ~$500 and earned a bit of money, if they knew then what they know now.
As for Sony, I believe they will price it when demand goes down. But that might not be till 2008, as many gaffers have said:
Plus with IBM using the CELL and getting higher clock speeds and yields, the price will go down fast because its a chip in demand
As with Blu Ray, Vaio, Dell and Apple will all have Blu Ray PCs out soon, plus 65nm etc etc
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To be honest I'm sure they're pissed off because they could of launched at ~$500 and earned a bit of money, if they knew then what they know now.
As for Sony, I believe they will price it when demand goes down. But that might not be till 2008, as many gaffers have said:
Plus with IBM using the CELL and getting higher clock speeds and yields, the price will go down fast because its a chip in demand
As with Blu Ray, Vaio, Dell and Apple will all have Blu Ray PCs out soon, plus 65nm etc etc
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MattXG said:
GT3 PS2 Bundle says hi.
Believe.
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sp0rsk said:
Him or me? You can't say there's a decline because GT3 that's been out longer and was the "pin-up boy" for the PS2, has sold more then the GT4 which still sells at full price in some stores (in England)!
Let's not turn this into some sort of console war.travisbickle said:
It certainly is not. Its just the fact remains that Halo and GTA are two of the most powerful franchises in the USA and they can both only be found on a cheaper system with equal graphics and exclusive downloadable content (GTA).
That was all I was trying to say.
I read a comment earlier on that the DS is doing so well (and the Wii's potential success is likely) because "Japanese gamers are bored with games." I think, in many ways, that statement reflects the way I feel about games today (as well as the feelings of several other friends of mine who have been playing games as long as I have).
Japan has been a gaming culture longer than the US has. I remember reading the little stories in Nintendo Power about people lining up for Dragon Quest on school days and all that, and couldn't even fathom the same situation in the US. Now we have Halo launch parties, Final Fantasy music concerts, and a Nintendo World Store. The culture is changing -- but Japan has been there, done that. They are looking for something new, something that isn't exactly like the games they've been playing forever, and I think that's one of the strongest reasons for the success of the DS in Japan. Newer gamers in the US are excited for more power, better graphics, because they haven't seen all the gameplay variations on a theme that started so long ago. But I think a lot of longtime hardcore gamers, especially like those of us on this board, are ready to experience something new. I remember seeing Mario 64 for the first time and am reminded of what it was like to really play games differently. I think the Wii (and to a lesser extent, the DS) are perfect examples of that. It's true that not all gamers are bored with games (yet), but it's going that way. Even some of my longtime Madden-playing friends are beginning to hesitate on the new games because they like the old version better.
I'm not saying this is going to happen NOW, but it's a very real thing to take into consideration. Sooner or later, even "new" gamers are going to be longtime gamers, and they'll be seeking something new too.
Japan has been a gaming culture longer than the US has. I remember reading the little stories in Nintendo Power about people lining up for Dragon Quest on school days and all that, and couldn't even fathom the same situation in the US. Now we have Halo launch parties, Final Fantasy music concerts, and a Nintendo World Store. The culture is changing -- but Japan has been there, done that. They are looking for something new, something that isn't exactly like the games they've been playing forever, and I think that's one of the strongest reasons for the success of the DS in Japan. Newer gamers in the US are excited for more power, better graphics, because they haven't seen all the gameplay variations on a theme that started so long ago. But I think a lot of longtime hardcore gamers, especially like those of us on this board, are ready to experience something new. I remember seeing Mario 64 for the first time and am reminded of what it was like to really play games differently. I think the Wii (and to a lesser extent, the DS) are perfect examples of that. It's true that not all gamers are bored with games (yet), but it's going that way. Even some of my longtime Madden-playing friends are beginning to hesitate on the new games because they like the old version better.
I'm not saying this is going to happen NOW, but it's a very real thing to take into consideration. Sooner or later, even "new" gamers are going to be longtime gamers, and they'll be seeking something new too.
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Azelover said:
i agree with these posts.jarrod said:Unfortunately for SCEI, the only JP developer who seems to matter these days (Nintendo) won't be supporting PS3 at all.
while it's impossible to predict what's actually going to happen, the two things i do think will occur are: wii will sell more than gc and ps3 will sell less than ps2.
edit - also, nintendo will be/is working on a whole new selection of new ips, specifically designed for wii, i think these are the games that will really help sell big numbers of wii.
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Well, he said "many," not most or all. I fall into his "many" as well.Amir0x said:I'm a hardcore gamer, power is one of my highest priorities. It is an important thing for many hardcore gamers, although perhaps not among the latest GAF crowd.
Anyway, just wanted to get that generalization out of the way
Halo is only a system seller in NA, no-one else really gives a damn
http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=metal+gear+solid&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=halo&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
So as far as Europe is concerned the only console you can play MGS4 and GTA = PS3
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Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Halo 2 XBX Microsoft 0.11 5.81 1.83 7.75
Halo XBX Microsoft 0.10 4.92 1.59 6.61
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Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Metal Gear Solid 2 PS2 Konami 0.85 2.32 2.42 5.59
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater PS2 Konami 0.86 1.28 1.61 3.75http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=metal+gear+solid&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=halo&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
So as far as Europe is concerned the only console you can play MGS4 and GTA = PS3
MattXG said:Let's not turn this into some sort of console war.
It certainly is not. Its just the fact remains that Halo and GTA are two of the most powerful franchises in the USA and they can both only be found on a cheaper system with equal graphics and exclusive downloadable content (GTA).
That was all I was trying to say.
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up the good work and you'll have another thing to bitch about at OA travisbickle
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MattXG said:
I've got a tip for you now you are out of high school, America is not the world, look at total worldwide sales to get an indication of how popular these franchises are. As noted above.
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travisbickle said:
Quoted for emphasis.
PSP outsold DS by 20k/week (which meant it almost doubled the DS) for 10 weeks in a row. While DS still had a total lead of about 800k thanks to a stronger launch (and inital PSP shortages), it definitely looked like the PSP were going to catch up eventually.typhonsentra said:
Regardless however, the point is that DS tracked significantly behind than the GBA initially so it didn't and doesn't just ride on it's predecessor's success.
oops.Amir0x said:I'm a hardcore gamer, power is one of my highest priorities. It is an important thing for many hardcore gamers, although perhaps not among the latest GAF crowd.
Anyway, just wanted to get that generalization out of the way
i agree, and the way you're feeling now is how i was a few years ago.NSBrandon said:
for me, i started playing games in the late 70s and every improvement was due to graphics and power, and was welcome, until this gen. with the ps1/n64/saturn i feel my enjoyment in videogames peaked. overall this gen, across the board, i've been really disappointed. the majority of supposed improvements to games have me saying a big 'so what' and most of the time they amount to something i played last gen with better and different graphics, which just feels old.
obviously people have differing opinions and each to their own, but i can see why the ds has rejuvenated the japanese market in such an incredible way, because it's done the same to me.
edit - there are no guarantees, but i do think a good amount of people are ready for a change and if nintendo can deliver a great feeling of newness with wii they could be very successful.
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