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Andrew Garfield is the new Spider-Man
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DryEyeRelief
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megashock5 said:
I would put TKD on the top as the best movie.
megashock5
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DryEyeRelief said:
I like TDK a lot, but I love Begins. The training, the 'becoming Batman' finally done well, Joe Chill killing Bruce's parents instead of the Joker, etc. So many good things. Also, it's not as bleak as TDK. I realize that's by design, but I find BB easier to watch. More hopeful.
Pai Pai Master
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Hated Spider-Man 1 but the sequel is indeed perfect.
MisterHero
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why are people underrating Superman II when Spider-man 2 lifts its plot
why why why
why why why
PhoncipleBone
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Because of the changes the Salkinds and Richard Lester put into Superman II. There are parts of Superman II that are still damn near perfect to this day, then you get into the throwing the S logo at people and ice cream flying in a guy's face. It is funny how different Superman II is from scene to scene, but when the movie is working it is firing on all cylinders. It doesn't hurt that it has one of the best villains of any superhero film.MisterHero said:
megashock5
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PhoncipleBone said:
Spot on. Parts of it are amazing, but there are parts that keep it from being great as a whole.
PhoncipleBone
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But the parts that are amazing far outshine the bad parts. I absolutely love Superman II, but I would rank it below Superman I though. I just wish we could get Superman II made with today's technology and a tighter script, but keep the same cast. Reeve WAS Superman, and Terrance Stamp was just badass personified in that movie.megashock5 said:
megashock5
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PhoncipleBone said:
Superman I is nearly perfect (icy Krypton aside), especially for it's time. Superhero movies are so commonplace and nothing seems amazing anymore. That movie really capture the awe and wonder that people would have if they actually saw a person fly. That helicopter scene gives me goosebumps to this day.
BertramCooper
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It was awful.Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
It made me feel bad for Jon Favreau. The studio really fucked with it.
MisterHero
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You know I've asked that question for a long time and this didn't occur to me. :lolBlader5489 said:
I think maybe I was basing them purely as movies whereas Superman didn't borrow from any specific story (and even alters parts like Lex Luthor's whole character) when I should have considered that about Spider-Man 2 from the start.
Yeah if anything the Richard Donner version shows that it could've been much improved.PhoncibleBone said:
megashock5
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Sam Rockwell = higher than tier 9 by default.
Also, while oddly constructed, it didn't destroy characters like X3 and S-M3 did. Both had to be completely rebooted after those installments.
PhoncipleBone
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Helicopter scene is still the king. The thing that sells that movie is the music by John Williams.megashock5 said:
The other scene that just gets me is when Clark goes to the fortress of solitude and is learning from Jor-El. The scene ends with Jor-El saying: "It is for this reason above all others, their capacity for good. I give them you, my only son." Then the face turns to a mask as the theme blares out. It turns away and we see Superman in costume for the first time.
Shit, I was getting goosebumps just typing that up.
And for one of those absolutely perfect scenes from Superman II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0
Forgive the distorted picture, but it was the best I could find.
megashock5
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PhoncipleBone said:
I grew up as a HUGE Star Wars fan. I still have boxes upon boxes of the toys, it ruled a good 6-7 years of my life. And I STILL think Superman is John Williams best score. I don't think it will ever be topped, it's utterly fantastic.
PhoncipleBone
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I don't know if I would say it is Williams' best score, but that period of the mid 70s to late 80s, Williams was on God Mode the entire time.megashock5 said:
Jaws, Close Encounters, Superman, Star Wars trilogy, Indiana Jones trilogy, ET...the man is a god.
And shit, all this talk of Superman and Superman II has helped me make up my mind about what to do today since work was cancelled. Think I am going to watch Superman and crank the sound. Maybe even watch it with the isolated 5.1 score.
krypt0nian
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I see the thread has devolved into the usual movie equivalent of Hulk can beat up Wonder Woman shit. :lol
PhoncipleBone
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Nah, just which superhero movies we all love.krypt0nian said:
Here, let me get it back on track:
I have a bad feeling about the new Spider Man movie. Garfield is a good actor, but the leaked pics look like shit. Emma Stone looks great as Gwen Stacy, but everything else about the film has given me a really bad feeling that this movie is going to be complete shit. I want to be wrong, but my gut is saying the film will be a clusterfuck.
Is that more on topic?
MisterHero
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wait...krypt0nian said:
is hulk really stronger than wonder woman?
PhoncipleBone
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MisterHero said:
HULK IS STRONGEST THERE IS!
http://twitter.com/#!/real_hulk
PhoncipleBone said:Nah, just which superhero movies we all love.
Here, let me get it back on track:
I have a bad feeling about the new Spider Man movie. Garfield is a good actor, but the leaked pics look like shit. Emma Stone looks great as Gwen Stacy, but everything else about the film has given me a really bad feeling that this movie is going to be complete shit. I want to be wrong, but my gut is saying the film will be a clusterfuck.
Is that more on topic?
I'm mostly curious to see how it performs at the box office. Are the masses willing to accept a new Spider-Man so soon?
BertramCooper
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Honestly, it's the creative decisions that have me more concerned than anything else.PhoncipleBone said:Nah, just which superhero movies we all love.
Here, let me get it back on track:
I have a bad feeling about the new Spider Man movie. Garfield is a good actor, but the leaked pics look like shit. Emma Stone looks great as Gwen Stacy, but everything else about the film has given me a really bad feeling that this movie is going to be complete shit. I want to be wrong, but my gut is saying the film will be a clusterfuck.
Is that more on topic?
I liked the initial concept of a high school Peter Parker, and I greatly dislike the decision to bump it back to college Peter Parker. I like Garfield as an actor, but I really think they should have went with someone younger and stuck with their original concept.
Furthermore, I don't like how close this is being released to the previous trilogy. Warner Bros. and DC had a good five or six years to really reevaluate Batman before starting the series anew. Sony and Marvel just seem to be jumping the gun here, and I'm worried the final result will suffer because of it.
brandonh83
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Solo said:
It will have been five years and coming off the stench of Spider-man 3. I'm sure it has a chance. :lol
PhoncipleBone
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That is my curiosity as well.Solo said:
As for now,starting my rewatch of Donner's Superman. Just five minutes in and I feel like a kid again.
I love how they set up the second film within the first two scenes of the original film.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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Spider Man 3 is bad, but it's not Batman and Robin bad. That has to be the worse superhero movie ever on every level.
Also, wonder woman would start the fight on the same level as Hulk, but his strength increases exponentially as his anger rises so he would be stronger eventually.
Also, wonder woman would start the fight on the same level as Hulk, but his strength increases exponentially as his anger rises so he would be stronger eventually.
MisterHero
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Nah Superman IV is really bad. It has some interesting concepts (like Clark finally letting Lois know and Superman trying to promote nuclear disarmament) but Batman and Robin at least has pretty (though overdone) effects like sky surfing. Superman IV lacks any kind of charisma. At least in Superman III, drunk tobacco Superman makes the world miserable by CORRECTING the Leaning Tower of Pisa. :lol
And screw the haters, Mr. Freeze was awesome. Badass actor in a badass costume with badass ice-related puns
And screw the haters, Mr. Freeze was awesome. Badass actor in a badass costume with badass ice-related puns
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MisterHero said:
I dunno, Batman flashing his credit card begs to differ.....
megashock5
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x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
After seeing the first 3 in the theater, I stayed away for B&R based on the previews. I started trying to watch it on TBS years later, and could only get through about half of it. Without a doubt the worst ever (although I've never seen Catwoman), astoundingly awful.
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megashock5 said:
Catwoman commits the ultimate bad movie sin: it's not funny, it's boring. Outside of one line at the end, when Sharon Stone, powered by super makeup , knocks catwoman down and says "It's over!" and then Catwoman jumps up and says "No, IT'S OVERTIME!", it's a snoozefest.
Batman and Robin is at least hilariously bad, if you can divorce yourself from the fact that they are assraping a beloved character right in front of you.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
You forgot about the best basketball scene of all-time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ
I still can't believe WB greenlit this and Batman Begins at the same time :lol
megashock5
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DMczaf said:
The thing that gets me about Catwoman, is that this isn't a situation like Sony or Fox ruining a Marvel character, this is WB shitting on their own character.
"It's called Catwoman, but she's not Selina Kyle and she has cat powers." Seriously, how does this even happen? Everyone knows Catwoman from the context of Batman, but you're going make a movie about someone else entirely who's called the same thing? I would have loved to have been in those meetings.
BB and TDK are both Tier 1. Are you guys kidding? I'd put TDK at the top (if not the top) of the comic book movies all time.
If you can manage to separate good movies from movies you enjoy, then you should be able to see that TDK is a near perfect film. Regardless of genre.
Atonement is a good example. It was a very good film, but I hated it.
If you can manage to separate good movies from movies you enjoy, then you should be able to see that TDK is a near perfect film. Regardless of genre.
Atonement is a good example. It was a very good film, but I hated it.
The S-Word
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Solo said:
Do you like There Will Be Blood? random question really
and um.. i have no comment on this spider-man movie. it will rely solely on how good the CGI action scenes and one-liners will be.
Gui_PT said:
For every Heath Ledger, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart turning in a great performance, you've got a Maggie Gyllenhaal, Eric Roberts, and Christian Bale hamming it up or sleepwalking (Bale does both as Batman/Bruce Wayne!) through the movie.
The editing/pacing is horrendous. The movie is a good half hour too long and it loses momentum and comes to a complete halt several times. Christopher Nolan also cannot direct or cut an action sequence to save his life, as we've been over 100 times.
The movie is so on-the-nose with its themes and hammers them in ad nauseum, and third act descends into stupidity of an even greater degree than BB's vapor vaporizer stuff. The ferry scene is just awful. Why does Alfred always seem to have a monologue waiting to get out?
For all the acclaim thrown at the series for being unsentimental and real, its just as cheesey as the Spider-Man movies, albeit completely unintentionally. Nolan continues to completely fail on injecting his movie with "humor" ("its like turkeys on Christmas!") which always stands out in a bad way, and some of the monologues and conversations are 100% cheddar, namely the big final scene between Joker and Batman, in which a combination of the writing and (mostly) Christian Bale's delivery turn it from what was supposed to be the emotional climax of the film into a scene that makes you chuckle.
In brief: ensemble cast is very hit or miss, writing is as subtle as a hammer to the nuts, corny, Christopher Nolan action LOL.
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