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[iirate]

No, because pants aren't masculine.

Then what are masculine leggings?

I think you've missed the point here. Pretty much ever piece of traditional male clothing is now considered andro by society because it is okay for a woman to aspire to be more masculine, but the reverse is widely shunned.

EDIT: SO BEATEN. THANKS GAF.

 

[Sadsic]

This basically comes down to Patriarchy and the old standard that men are in every way better than Women.

So for a Man to do something feminine, that's making him worse, more pathetic, a joke, etc.

But for a Woman to do something masculine, it's comforting, relatable, brave, etc.

This forum really intensely falls into Patriarchy, it's kind of horrible.

 

[Slayven]

Cool for him, but I wouldn't roll with him.

 

[water_wendi]

I'm sure I heard recently that there's some schools here where the uniform code states that girls are only allowed to wear skirts.

i can see private or boarding schools do that.

ive been trying to think of a masculine clothes item outside of a suit. i think society has so ingrained masculine as good/natural and feminine as undesirable that almost all traditionally male garments are considered acceptable for women to wear. The only other item i can think of outside of hats is a firemans shirt. i dont think ive ever seen a woman wear one.

edit: beaten by iirate while i was trying to find a good shot of a firemans shirt heh Anyways, its what this guy is wearing

 

[Devolution]

i can see private or boarding schools do that.

ive been trying to think of a masculine clothes item outside of a suit. i think society has so ingrained masculine as good/natural and feminine as undesirable that almost all traditionally male garments are considered acceptable for women to wear. The only other item i can think of outside of hats is a firemans shirt. i dont think ive ever seen a woman wear one.

Anything I can think of comes in special cuts for women now, even Jerseys. I've seen that on many women actually, it's a popular coat style.

 

[scar tissue]

This basically comes down to Patriarchy and the old standard that men are in every way better than Women.

So for a Man to do something feminine, that's making him worse, more pathetic, a joke, etc.

But for a Woman to do something masculine, it's comforting, relatable, brave, etc.

This forum really intensely falls into Patriarchy, it's kind of horrible.

The really fucked up thing is, quite a few women will also mock a man if he's doing something feminine. They are basically devaluing themselves, like little girls calling a boy a girl.
Crazy stuff.

 

[Alucrid]

i can see private or boarding schools do that.

ive been trying to think of a masculine clothes item outside of a suit. i think society has so ingrained masculine as good/natural and feminine as undesirable that almost all traditionally male garments are considered acceptable for women to wear. The only other item i can think of outside of hats is a firemans shirt. i dont think ive ever seen a woman wear one.

edit: beaten by iirate while i was trying to find a good shot of a firemans shirt heh Anyways, its what this guy is wearing

http://i.imgur.com/MuNak.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Yep, Catholic schools still require skirts to be worn.

 

[iirate]

The really fucked up thing is, quite a few women will also mock a man if he's doing something feminine. They are basically devaluing themselves, like little girls calling a boy a girl.
Crazy stuff.

Yeah, patriarchy/sexism isn't just propagated by the privileged.

 

[Takao]

No mention of Japan or Korea, huh?

 

[scar tissue]

Yeah, patriarchy/sexism isn't just propagated by the privileged.

I think the moment I realized that many people are borderline retarded (or at least don't stop to think what they are saying, not even for a second) was when a girl called me a girl in elementary school and I couldn't convince her that if calling me a girl was supposed to be insulting that basically meant being a girl is a bad thing.

 

[PBalfredo]

Wearing feminine clothing(lace stockings) isn't being androgynous, it's called cross dressing.

Agreed. Androgynous implies it could be man or woman, which in terms of clothing would be something unisex, like T-shirt and jeans.

Maybe then the question is "Cross dressing: A double standard?". Why is it fine for women to dress in men's clothes, but it's weird for men to dress in women's? Well most of the time when women dress in men's clothes, they're not really dressing in men's clothes. If a woman were to wear a suit, she isn't going to go to Men's Warehouse and pick something off the rack. It would be ill-fitting and look ridiculous. Suit women wear are designed and tailored for women. She while it's something traditionally a men's garment, it's a woman wears clothes for women.

The same is true in the opposite. The kilt, the men's version of a woman's garment, looks much different than something one would get off the rack of the woman's department at JC Penny.

I'm sure there are aspects of lingering sexism involved as well as other posters have mentioned. But even if society came together to announce "GENDER ROLES ARE OVER!" then most cross-dressing, like the dude in the OP (the hell's the point of putting a dude's hairy-ass legs in lace stocking?) is still going to look odd.

 

[favouriteflavour]

When people find androgynous women attractive it is not generally because they look like men. They still remain very feminine. Women's clothing doesn't really allow it wearer to be anything but feminine.

 

[out0v0rder]

i see guys with purses all the time, no one bats an eye.

 

[Mudkips]

This thread makes me feel old. The reason men don't dress like women is because we got more than enough of that in the late 70s and the 80s.

It's also very telling to see people here say that society accepting women's choice of dress but not men's is somehow representative of misogyny, while completely ignoring the misandry inherent in expecting men to conform to a specific role/ideal and ostracize them if they don't.

 

[Satch]

the outfit in the op is uggo and he should feel bad

shoulda worn something that was actually hot fire

 

[The Faceless Master]

what about skinny jeans and those vest-like things 50 cent used to wear?


OP outfit should be an alt in DmC

 

[water_wendi]

This thread makes me feel old. The reason men don't dress like women is because we got more than enough of that in the late 70s and the 80s.

It's also very telling to see people here say that society accepting women's choice of dress but not men's is somehow representative of misogyny, while completely ignoring the misandry inherent in expecting men to conform to a specific role/ideal and ostracize them if they don't.

i feel for men in general because they usually have little to no more freedom from the expectations of society that women do. There are victims on both sides here. i dont think anyone is denying that.

 

[leadbelly]

Not even brave, just "oh how cute they want to be like men." Whereas the inverse is scary because of the viewpoint that the feminine is inferior.

Do you think women in general find very feminine men attractive? There is bound to be some women that do, but that is not what I am asking.

I'm not sure a lot of women do. Of course women tend to say they like men who are in touch with their feminine side. I suppose it sounds good in theory, but the reality seems to be quite different. It seems to me that women tend to lose respect for men who are too feminine. Of course everything I just said is anecdotal.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Isn't it more form vs function than masculine vs feminine?

Girl clothing doesn't even have real pockets.

 

[Platy]

Personally, I hate all androgynous fashion. No gender discrimination.

And no, a hot girl in a large guys t-shirt doesn't count.

I would love to se the reasoning behind this

Do you think women in general find very feminine men attractive? There is bound to be some women that do, but that is not what I am asking.

You need to go to Japan =P
Also, Di Caprio titanic era, most Blackstreet Boys and ... well ... Interview with the Vampire

Actualy there are several studies showing that women find manly men more atractive during fertile periods and girly men during the rest

 

[B!TCH]

You need to go to Japan =P

I don't think Japanese women find that attractive either.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Isn't it more form vs function than masculine vs feminine?

Girl clothing doesn't even have real pockets.

More pockets = more manly? Nomura must have been onto something lol

 

[leadbelly]

You need to go to Japan =P
Also, Di Caprio titanic era, most Blackstreet Boys and ... well ... Interview with the Vampire

Actualy there are several studies showing that women find manly men more atractive during fertile periods and girly men during the rest

Speaking of vampires. Seems to be a popular theme in women's erotic novels.

Isn't a vampire, really, a very extreme form of masculinity?

I'm just going by my own observations and experiences with the opposite sex though.

 

[water_wendi]

This thread makes me feel old. The reason men don't dress like women is because we got more than enough of that in the late 70s and the 80s.

It's also very telling to see people here say that society accepting women's choice of dress but not men's is somehow representative of misogyny, while completely ignoring the misandry inherent in expecting men to conform to a specific role/ideal and ostracize them if they don't.

i should also say that the pressure men get from society regarding dress is not a product of any misandry but the direct result of a misogynistic society, imo. i forgot to put that in my post earlier and even though im never eloquent its my Friday and ive been drinking a little so ive been forgetful.

 

[leadbelly]

lol

This is completely off-topic, but what the fuck just happened in google?

Go to search something if you haven't noticed this already.

 

[water_wendi]

lol

This is completely off-topic, but what the fuck just happened in google?

Go to search something if you haven't noticed this already.

Hold your mouse cursor over the logo to see the tooltip.

 

[Derwind]

Culturally this is what I wear... basically a skirt... called Ma'awis....

It lets the balls relax and breath...

 

[leadbelly]

Hold your mouse cursor over the logo to see the tooltip.

Odd. It's not doing it now. As I was searching the whole page span around, doing a complete 360.

Edit: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Google-...ll-Star-Fox-easter-egg-google,news-13073.html
This is from last year, but that is what it just did for me.

 

[Platy]

Speaking of vampires. Seems to be a popular theme in women's erotic novels.

Isn't a vampire, really, a very extreme form of masculinity?

There are more articles relating vampires to male homosexuals (and i don't mean in a "twilight's edward is gay" way =P) than extreme form of masculinity

Specialy since they are not exactly associated with ... well ... body hair =P


...Werewolfs on the other hand... xD

Odd. It's not doing it now. As I was searching the whole page span around, doing a complete 360.

You wasn't searching for Star Fox stuff, weren't you ? hehe

 

[Palmer_v1]

Isn't it GOOD for equality if everyone eventually drifts to clothing that is traditionally mens-wear, rather than the opposite? Men's clothing has always been more functional than womens.

 

[leadbelly]

There are more articles relating vampires to male homosexuals (and i don't mean in a "twilight's edward is gay" way =P) than extreme form of masculinity

Specialy since they are not exactly associated with ... well ... body hair =P


...Werewolfs on the other hand... xD

Vampires are predators by nature...

Also, I'm not necessarily talking in the sense of very 'macho' men -- although that may also be pretty attractive to women -- I'm talking mainly in the sense of a lot of women preferring strong, independent, charismatic, men. Men that are not just complete wimps.

 

[leadbelly]

You wasn't searching for Star Fox stuff, weren't you ? hehe

No, lol.

 

[water_wendi]

Isn't it GOOD for equality if everyone eventually drifts to clothing that is traditionally mens-wear, rather than the opposite? Men's clothing has always been more functional than womens.

i think it would be more ideal if people wore what they wanted without having to worry about being harshly judged (or worse) by society.

 

[Vieo]

Prolly old, but SKINNY JEANS GONE TOO FAR.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Prolly old, but SKINNY JEANS GONE TOO FAR.

I feel dumber now.

 

[Futureman]

Prolly old, but SKINNY JEANS GONE TOO FAR.

that was really close to being so bad it's good, but it's basically unwatchable.

 

[alphaNoid]

I support everyones right to dress as they want. I also support my right to fucking laugh and point fingers at you.

 

[freenudemacusers]

I support everyones right to dress as they want. I also support my right to fucking laugh and point fingers at you.

My swag armor is impenetrable.

 

[Deleted member 8095]

I'm pretty sure it's because we all agree that mens legs aren't worth looking at.

Mine are. My legs are amazing. But, that's what shorts are for. The guy in the OP pic looks like a dumb fuck.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Men's clothes: Designed to highlight masculine features
Women's clothes: Designed to highlight feminine features.

Put a woman in a suit designed to provide a v-shaped torso, thin waist and hips and broad chest. She'll look fucking weird.

 

[Devolution]

Do you think women in general find very feminine men attractive? There is bound to be some women that do, but that is not what I am asking.

I'm not sure a lot of women do. Of course women tend to say they like men who are in touch with their feminine side. I suppose it sounds good in theory, but the reality seems to be quite different. It seems to me that women tend to lose respect for men who are too feminine. Of course everything I just said is anecdotal.

A couple of my gal pals were/are into feminine looking men. In fact a couple of them were obsessed with Gackt.

 

[wenis]

do whatever the fuck you want. I don't care.

and that should be the end of that.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I think some people in this thread are conflating feminine clothing for men with womens clothes.

 

[Sol..]

Did anybody else immediately wonder why Derrick Rose was wearing stockings?

 

[SapientWolf]

So I was checking out Tumblr when I came across this:

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http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvg4o6ZtKB1qba52wo1_500.jpg[IMG]

When we talk about androgynous fashion, we usually mean female-presenting people in outfits that incorporate or echo menswear. One seldom sees male-presenting people doing the same with womenswear, at least in the mainstream.

I think some of that must be a side effect of the privileging of traits, roles, and characteristics associated with masculinity over those associated with femininity—a woman in masculine-associated roles or clothing is moving in the direction of higher status and increased social privilege, at least implicitly; a man in feminine-associated roles or clothing, lower. We associate women in menswear with freedom and assertion; men in womenswear with deviation, grotesquerie, and parody.

How fucked up is that?[/indent]

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I think it's an interesting point and one that I find myself in agreement with.

What does GAF think?[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna be contrarian and say that it's because men are under [I]far[/I] more pressure to conform to the idea of the stereotypical male. If they don't they're targeted by their peers and harassed, beaten, or even murdered.​

 

[Devolution]

I'm gonna be contrarian and say that it's because men are under far more pressure to conform to the idea of the stereotypical male. If they don't they're targeted by their peers and harassed, beaten, or even murdered.

How is that contrarian? You're right.

 

[sangreal]

Wearing feminine clothing(lace stockings) isn't being androgynous, it's called cross dressing.

Came to post this. androgynous can't be feminine or masculine by definition...

 

[blame space]

macuser is your av from a runway

 

[Slayven]

I support everyones right to dress as they want. I also support my right to fucking laugh and point fingers at you.

You are a patriot and a gentleman.

 

[blame space]

we've finally found something men can feel persecuted for: wearing ladyclothes.