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Android 4.1 Jelly Bean announced at Google I/O 2012
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Carriers will add at least 1-2 months to the process I think
were they both on wifi? if so GN is definitely better and I like the interface better. iOS looks so dated compared to JB to me.
They'll probably take out Google Now.
Surely they'll just make it part of Gapps like they did with the new ICS features initially (FaceUnlock etc).
ghostofsparta
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ThatObviousUser
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Yea prob, but it sorta seems like Samsung has side stepped them a little bit this go around.
RoadHazard
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Again: Aren't Google Now and voice search actually two separate things? Voice search does what Siri does - pulls up info based on what you tell/ask it - while Now is another feature which automatically presents info cards based on where you are, what time it is, what you've previously searched for, etc. When just voice searching, that isn't Now in action (you don't have to do it though the Now interface, you can do it right from the search bar on the home screen).
Everyone seems to be treating voice search and Now as a single entity, but to me it certainly seems like they're not. Now depends on your search history (whether they are typed or spoken searches), but voice search doesn't really have anything to do with Now (except for adding to your search history, which Now then uses). It wouldn't even make sense to call the Siri-esque functionality "Now". The functionality that is called "Now" is called that because it automatically presents the information Google thinks you might need right now.
I don't know, maybe I'm the one who's confused here, but it seems to me like people are making a bit weird assumptions about what Now actually is. It is tightly integrated with voice search, for sure, but it isn't what the voice search feature is actually called.
ThatObviousUser
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Did you watch the video? It makes it clear they're really quite similar.
Google Now is a subset of Google Search.
Talking to your phone is nothing more than an input method.
If you type the phrase "What is siri" or say it verbally, you'll get the same results.
Google Now is simply connecting data the device knows about you, with the outside world.
User is at location X, search for food at location X. That's a card
are you sure you can do the Siri-like searches from the normal search bar? I guess why not? but I haven't seen it. Link?
but anyways, I think it's pretty obvious that Google wanted something like Siri, but they aren't leeches like Samsung and built Now around it as a complement and to differentiate from Apple.
Ephemeris
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ThatObviousUser
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This is what I asked and want to know! I don't use Siri much for finding information, but more to control my phone.
RoadHazard
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Yes, but what I'm saying is that he's wrong for calling the voice search functionality "Now". That's not what Now is; Now is the feature that automatically presents info cards based on where you are, what time it is, what you usually do around that time, etc.
That I can sort of get behind, but people seem to be saying that Now is Google's answer to Siri. It's not, the way I see it. The improved voice search is.
Yep. Check about 2:35 into this video (or watch all of it, as he actually does quite a good job of showing off Now and the new voice search as two separate things). The new voice search, with its Siri-esque functionality, is the same voice search we already have but vastly improved. Now, on the other hand, is something completely new (but obviously closely related to search).
Yes, absolutely, Now is made to complement search, by automatically bringing you information you would otherwise probably have searched for anyway (by text or voice, doesn't matter).
Judging by the fresh new layout and top of the line devices being displayed, I'm gonna say no.
http://www.google.com/mobile/voice-actions/
Siri is nothing more than Voice to text -> term run through worlfram alpha -> then either device action, or wolfram search result.
All apple did was beat Google to the punch in releasing contextual search results. The difference now, is that Google does everything "inhouse" so to speak, while Apple is relying on Nuance for their voice to text, and their searches through wolfram.
The voice search is just regular search...but with input from voice. And siri is just sassy.
I hear you, and its simply people packaging the features and pitting them against siri. But Now does not even really need a query to function - and the voice input changes are simply an update (and a nice one at that).
All in all, the two together behave like Siri - but they are also separate entities that can interact with other software (probably third party as well, I can imagine people making new Now cards). I don't know if Siri really works outside of Siri-functionality.
they have, but the carriers will still insist on testing the updates on their network so there will always be a delay unless Samsung holds off on releasing the international update till its approved by carriers.
RoadHazard
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Exactly. Now has nothing to do with you performing a search. Rather, it automatically presents information you might want based on previous searches (among other things).
Just like the improved Google voice search. And nothing like Now, which serves a quite different purpose. That's what I'm trying to say, but people keep bundling these two things up into one ("Now = Google's Siri", which I'm saying is not correctly understood).
Actually, Now is using a realtime search query. You're location becomes the search query. The time becomes part of the search query. Your appointment becomes the search query, in conjuction with past searches.
Now is like a constant search going on in the background, based on signals you provide it by giving it access to your current parameters.
When you ask siri if it's raining, it does a search for "weather at user's location".
Your weather card is from Now is already doing a search for weather in the background based on your location without you having to ask for it.
Which one do you have?
RoadHazard
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Well, yes, that's true. Now does automatic searches for you based on various things, and presents that information in a nice way. But when you're performing a manual seach (by text or voice - the latter is where the Siri-esque functionality comes in), that really has nothing to do with Now.
Yes, but what I'm talking about here is specifically voice search/commands. That's what people think of when they of Siri, and that's what they are saying Now does. It's not. Now does something different. Of course they are tightly integrated, but again, I think people are getting it wrong when they say that "Now is Google's Siri".
Samsung drops Google Now since it overlaps with S-Voice *horror*
If you wanted to do a query for "is it raining" through voice to text on google search it will give the same results as your Now weather card because they are both using the same parameters.
They didn't demo that kinda stuff, because it's silly, and the data is already there in the cards.
The Faceless Master
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Samsung delivers a bag of jellybeans with no green ones.
and they have a seperate box with green S-Beans.
To the end user they are one in the same. I dont really understand what you are arguing here. Noone cares, the two systems completely integrate with one another seamlessly.
fluffydelusions
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I like the notifications and if by tablet UI you mean honeycomb then yes. It's all unified now.
I think that calling it a 'siri competitor' and dusting your hands off is selling it short. I think it is a different beast all around than Siri - and that one of it's facets (voice search + asking a question) duplicates Siri's functionality, but if you left it at that you wouldn't be utilizing it very well.
These notifications can be contextually intelligent and useful without any direct input or querying whatsoever, and that is something I really am interested in - unobtrusive but elegant and practical.
RoadHazard
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So, you can flash Jelly Bean onto your GNex now if you want to. Seems like people are having Wi-Fi issues though.
Yes, that is probably true. But you get there through two different methods (one is a manual search while the other is automatically presented to you). That's the point. Voice search isn't Now, even though they may very well present the same results. Now does it automatically, without you even having to ask for it. That's the entire point of it, while the point of voice search is to ask for something.
Using intelligent voice search to find information and viewing automatic info cards presented to you based on various information (location, time, previous searches, etc) are "one and the same"? No, they are quite clearly two rather different ways for the system to retrieve and present search results. One does it by searching for what you explicitly tell it to, while the other does it by automatically presenting results based on various criteria without you asking for it.
What I'm arguing is simply that the improved voice search isn't Now (many seem to argue that it is). They are two different but closely related things.
But whatever, this isn't really a worthwhile discussion, haha... I was just getting a bit annoyed that people were writing things like "Google's new voice search assistant Now", when those two things clearly serve two different but related purposes.
Yes, that is probably true. But you get there through two different methods (one is a manual search while the other is automatically presented to you). That's the point. Voice search isn't Now, even though they may very well present the same results. Now does it automatically, without you even having to ask for it. That's the entire point of it, while the point of voice search is to ask for something.
Using intelligent voice search to find information and viewing automatic info cards presented to you based on various information (location, time, previous searches, etc) are "one and the same"? No, they are quite clearly two rather different ways for the system to retrieve and present search results. One does it by searching for what you explicitly tell it to, while the other does it by automatically presenting results based on various criteria without you asking for it.
What I'm arguing is simply that the improved voice search isn't Now (many seem to argue that it is). They are two different but closely related things.
But whatever, this isn't really a worthwhile discussion, haha... I was just getting a bit annoyed that people were writing things like "Google's new voice search assistant Now", when those two things clearly serve two different but related purposes.
I literally just got back into Android dev yesterday.
That's ok. I succesfully made my first Hello World app and loaded an image and modified the text
Once you get going, it all kinda makes sense 
Well, there is no improved "voice search".
There's improved voice dictation(offline/faster), and there's improved search(knowledge graph/natural language processing).
ThatObviousUser
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That's ok. I succesfully made my first Hello World app and loaded an image and modified the text
You really do have to get "in the zone." However Eclipse and the emulator are so slow it's hard to do that.
That's ok. I succesfully made my first Hello World app and loaded an image and modified the text
I was thinking about experimenting with some ideas - where did you start?
RoadHazard
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It's an improved search, so it's an improved voice search. Voice search is a subset of search.
No, it's not. Voice is just a form of input for the search. That's why you're having trouble understanding the comparisons with Siri as a whole.
I want to do this, but haven't seen good instructions for it.
Something usually goes wrong when I do anything of this sort...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBlYdXMNLc
new boot animation > old one but the nexus one's is still the coolest
new boot animation > old one but the nexus one's is still the coolest
RoadHazard
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Well, sure, but improved voice input + improved search = improved voice search. It's silly to suggest otherwise.
And I'm not having trouble understanding the comparisons between the new voice search and Siri. Of course not, that's a very understandable comparison to make. I rather think it's you (and many others) who are having trouble understanding that Now is this:
...and not this:
Just use clockworkmod/rom manager
http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommana...ckworkMod&deviceName=Google Galaxy Nexus (GSM
ThatObviousUser
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That's a lot better and I agree with your assessment.
People have been saying that they lose root. That and wifi issues, I think I'll hold off a bit.
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