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jonnybryce said:
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Nice, but I hope there's gonna be a bigger version of that tablet
 
Is there any info on the Samsung Acclaim? I can renew my contract in July and I've heard these might be out by then. It seems to have a flip keyboard which makes me happy but I can't seem to find much on it yet.
 
tirant said:
Recent owner of an HTC Desire. All I can say this thing is the shit. The best phone I have ever touched. Screen and speed are fantastic. Now I can't look at my old Iphone screen anymore, it looks like washed compared to the HTC's screen.

At first I thought I should have gone for the Nexus One, fearing HTC software would slow down my phone... But I'm very happy now with HTCs widgets and touches. They are fast, useful and much prettier than stock widgets. Only thing I miss is the ability to sync with Picasa web albums
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This option didn't appear in my settings, so I took the internets advice, backed up my Droid and did a factory reset to get the option.

It appeared and I was excited.

Turns out it's just a folder that syncs with Picasa in the cloud. I thought it would sync my phone to Picasa, as in, take a picture and it auto uploads instead of me doing it myself manually with Share/Picasa.

My Picasa web album exists only as all my Droid camera pictures, its the fastest and easiest way to get pictures taken on my Droid to the computer/any computer. I don't need that folder redownloaded to my phone, I need autouploads of my phone to that folder.

A lot of hoops to get a feature that serves no purpose, for my use atleast. I have dropbox for pictures otherwise, which is much easier.
 
I've had a G1 since it's launch. This past weekend it started doing some really bizarre things and I've been thinking about upgrading... so I didn't want to spend the full ~$570 on the Nexus One (Unit + Sales Tax) and was looking at Craigslist. I worry about getting a unit that had something bad happen to it and the guy not being fully upfront, but that's the price you pay by going used at some places...

So I found someone who had a Nexus One which he's had less than 30 days. Almost new condition, with desktop dock and car charger for $460. We e-mail to meet up last weekend in SF (hour drive from here) and I make it up there on Monday to have him stop replying to my e-mails and taken down the ad. Ah well.

Iffy deals here and there... looked at the Evo 4G from Sprint, but they quoted me a crazy price for the monthly rate - $140 for 2 phones/lines. (I'm currently paying ~$85/month for 2 phones, 750 anytime minutes and 3G + 400 text messages for my G1. I added my mom to my account as she was doing prepaid but was spending over $25/month on that. She can't figure out Smartphones so that'll be a huge waste on the monthly fee since she just wants a basic phone with large buttons.) I looked at Verizon and the Incredible and I think it was $99/month for 2 phone lines and 3G on one + $5 extra a month to add some text messaging to it. So around $105 a month vs. $85 a month now.

Last night I was up late looking at the deals and such and craigslist ads and decided I'd rather just have a new phone with no hassle so I jumped on the Nexus One for T-Mo. I was thinking I'd have to eat a $200 or so ETF plus the hassle of switching numbers and all that, I wasn't sure if I wanted to switch to Verizon.

So, what do you guys think? Should I stick with T-Mo and go the Nexus One route? Or return it and switch to Verizon for the Incredible? (and eat T-Mo's ETF)
 
Priz said:
I've had a G1 since it's launch. This past weekend it started doing some really bizarre things and I've been thinking about upgrading... so I didn't want to spend the full ~$570 on the Nexus One (Unit + Sales Tax) and was looking at Craigslist. I worry about getting a unit that had something bad happen to it and the guy not being fully upfront, but that's the price you pay by going used at some places...

So I found someone who had a Nexus One which he's had less than 30 days. Almost new condition, with desktop dock and car charger for $460. We e-mail to meet up last weekend in SF (hour drive from here) and I make it up there on Monday to have him stop replying to my e-mails and taken down the ad. Ah well.

Iffy deals here and there... looked at the Evo 4G from Sprint, but they quoted me a crazy price for the monthly rate - $140 for 2 phones/lines. (I'm currently paying ~$85/month for 2 phones, 750 anytime minutes and 3G + 400 text messages for my G1. I added my mom to my account as she was doing prepaid but was spending over $25/month on that. She can't figure out Smartphones so that'll be a huge waste on the monthly fee since she just wants a basic phone with large buttons.) I looked at Verizon and the Incredible and I think it was $99/month for 2 phone lines and 3G on one + $5 extra a month to add some text messaging to it. So around $105 a month vs. $85 a month now.

Last night I was up late looking at the deals and such and craigslist ads and decided I'd rather just have a new phone with no hassle so I jumped on the Nexus One for T-Mo. I was thinking I'd have to eat a $200 or so ETF plus the hassle of switching numbers and all that, I wasn't sure if I wanted to switch to Verizon.

So, what do you guys think? Should I stick with T-Mo and go the Nexus One route? Or return it and switch to Verizon for the Incredible? (and eat T-Mo's ETF)
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If you're happy with T-Mobile, stick with T-Mobile. Get the Nexus One or the myTouch Slide, or wait it out for the Galaxy S ( if you're into the kind of thing :| ). There's no point in paying ETFs, activation fees and $20+ a month if you like the service and just want any new phone, not even dying for an Incredible specifically.
 
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
 
:lol What is this. With tech moving this fast how does Apple restrict itself to once a year? HTC can't stop. Neither can Verizon. This makes me think they're not getting the iPhone even more, they're working overtime to get a bunch of powerful Droids to win people over.

But front webcam = must.
 
Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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Froyo on my N1 OCed to 1.13GHz is already pretty fast. That thing must fly.
 
Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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YES!!! My wife is due for an upgrade in December so I will give her my Eris and this bad boy will be ALL MINE!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D

Who am I kidding? By that time there will be a 2.0GHz phone with 1GB RAM. :/
 
Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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Well there are contracts expiring every day. Gotta keep your customers. New shiny phones seem to help.
 
Seriously, this makes like five "second-gen" Android smart/superphones for Verizon. Ridiculous.


Meanwhile I think AT&T is rumored to get the Motorola Flipout. :lol Verizon must really be throwing their cash around.

CrayzeeCarl said:
Who am I kidding? By that time there will be a 2.0GHz phone with 1GB RAM. :/
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And Android 3.0, don't forget! :P
 
Andrex said:
Seriously, this makes like five "second-gen" Android smart/superphones for Verizon. Ridiculous.


Meanwhile I think AT&T is rumored to get the Motorola Flipout. :lol Verizon must really be throwing their cash around.



And Android 3.0, don't forget! :P
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3.0...Duartes edition.
believe!
 
Snapdragons are good, but they’re severely lacking in the GPU department. The current 1Ghz QSD8250 uses an average Adreno 200 GPU. I’m sure Qualcomm has put in a better GPU for the 8X50A (1.3Ghz) and 8X72 (1.5Ghz) processors, but I hope it can fare better against Tegra and PowerVR.

The Droid’s OMAP3430 actually has a better GPU (SGX530) than the QSD8250 in the Nexus One which uses the Adreno 200 from AMD.

The Tegra 2 should be one of the best with a Cortex-A9 and Nvidia GPU.
 
The Friendly Monster said:
No, UK, I had £5 bet on them in EURO 2008 thanks to drawing them on GAF!

I can give you a code for a free Spotify account if you like, but you can't use it on your phone.
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Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was addicted to Alan Wake :D

How much did you win with that bet ?

Thank you for the Spotify code, I see someone was faster than me :lol
 
giga said:
Snapdragons are good, but they’re severely lacking in the GPU department. The current 1Ghz QSD8250 uses an average Adreno 200 GPU. I’m sure Qualcomm has put in a better GPU for the 8X50A (1.3Ghz) and 8X72 (1.5Ghz) processors, but I hope it can fare better against Tegra and PowerVR.

The Droid’s OMAP3430 actually has a better GPU (SGX530) than the QSD8250 in the Nexus One which uses the Adreno 200 from AMD.

The Tegra 2 should be one of the best with a Cortex-A9 and Nvidia GPU.
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i'm not sure how you judge that, but from where i stand adreno 2xx and sgx530 are very much neck-in-neck. actually i'd give some points to the adreno, e.g better ALU.

of course, the drivers/GL ES stack play a significant part in how 'good' a GPU turns out to the user, and i have no idea what qualcomm ships as drivers these days.
 
blu said:
i'm not sure how you judge that, but from where i stand adreno 2xx and sgx530 are very much neck-in-neck. actually i'd give some points to the adreno, e.g better ALU.

of course, the drivers/GL ES stack play a significant part in how 'good' a GPU turns out to the user, and i have no idea what qualcomm ships as drivers these days.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/3632/anands-google-nexus-one-review/9

The CPU side of the Snapdragon SoC is fast. Faster than what's in the iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre and Motrola Droid. Unfortunately there are other issues. Qualcomm scaled up processing speed but didn't increase memory bandwidth. The Snapdragon still has a 32-bit LPDDR1 interface, giving it the same memory bandwidth as its competitors despite boasting a much higher clock speed.

The even bigger problem with Snapdragon is its use of the Adreno 200, a dated and slow GPU Qualcomm acquired from ATI a couple of years ago. Luckily for Qualcomm, intensive 3D gaming hasn't really taken off on smartphones just yet but here Snapdragon is at a disadvantage to the Samsung and TI SoCs that use Imagination Tech's PowerVR SGX.

So the Nexus One has better CPU performance, identical memory bandwidth and worse GPU performance compared to the iPhone 3GS. Nothing is ever easy in this world.

Later this year Qualcomm will introduce its 45nm Snapdragon SoCs. These will range from being simple clock bumps of the 8650 in the Nexus One with LPDDR2 support, to full fledged dual-core versions with a much higher performance 3D core. Qualcomm also confirmed its intentions to move to an out-of-order architecture at some point in the future. I'd expect to hear more about that next year.
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Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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What the shit, a 50% increase in processor power from the industry "top of the line" standard? That's a big goddamn jump, also native 2.2 froyo implies that a 2.2 update for HTC sense phones is probably not that far off. Goddamn I can't keep up, especially in Canada.
 
giga said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3632/anands-google-nexus-one-review/9
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i wonder on what basis anand declare the snapdragon's GPU 'dated and slow', given only two SoC vendors in the world have products with it released not long ago. the architecture's design is as contemporary as SGX series 5, and the adreno200 implementation (single shading unit) still has more ALU power than the entry models of series 5 (e.g. 530 with it two shading units), clock-per-clock.

again, drivers can skew the picture in multiple ways. if somebody saw a crappy ES1.x implementation on the adreno (an ES2.x-and-beyond GPU) they could get an entirely wrong impression.
 
arent LTE antenna's still power sucking whores? i'd be curious to see what comes out of it if they are going to launch an LTE phone this year
 
Just got the HTC Desire and it is the shit! My first smartphone and I gradually learning how to use it. Noob question coming up but does downloading lots of apps slow the phone down?
 
blu said:
i wonder on what basis anand declare the snapdragon's GPU 'dated and slow', given only two SoC vendors in the world have products with it released not long ago. the architecture's design is as contemporary as SGX series 5, and the adreno200 implementation (single shading unit) still has more ALU power than the entry models of series 5 (e.g. 530 with it two shading units), clock-per-clock.

again, drivers can skew the picture in multiple ways. if somebody saw a crappy ES1.x implementation on the adreno (an ES2.x-and-beyond GPU) they could get an entirely wrong impression.
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Beats me. It would have been nice if he expanded on it like he usually does, but he’s been trustworthy for years. I remember the Z430 was shown back in 2007/08.

References for the Z430/Adreno 200 and SGX architecture?
 
I bought Desire few days back and I have to say I do like it but it has one major flaw: Battery life - I have to charge the phone every freaking day and some times I'm out of battery at end of the work day. I'm gonna buy better battery for it and if it doesn't help I'm going buy a new phone again.
 
Fuzz Rez said:
I bought Desire few days back and I have to say I do like it but it has one major flaw: Battery life - I have to charge the phone every freaking day and some times I'm out of battery at end of the work day. I'm gonna buy better battery for it and if it doesn't help I'm going buy a new phone again.
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Welcome to smartphones.
 
giga said:
Beats me. It would have been nice if he expanded on it like he usually does, but he’s been trustworthy for years. I remember the Z430 was shown back in 2007/08.

References for the Z430/Adreno 200 and SGX architecture?
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freescale iMX51 reference manual, chapter 38.
intel SCH (US15W) datasheet, chaper 9 (though this one is on 535 which has twice the shader units of 530)
 
Fuzz Rez said:
I bought Desire few days back and I have to say I do like it but it has one major flaw: Battery life - I have to charge the phone every freaking day and some times I'm out of battery at end of the work day. I'm gonna buy better battery for it and if it doesn't help I'm going buy a new phone again.
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Is this your first smartphone or something.
 
Fuzz Rez said:
I bought Desire few days back and I have to say I do like it but it has one major flaw: Battery life - I have to charge the phone every freaking day and some times I'm out of battery at end of the work day. I'm gonna buy better battery for it and if it doesn't help I'm going buy a new phone again.
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You traded superb battery life for a much better phone, it's the one trade-off.
 
An old high school friend of mine hooked me up with an override for the full discount on the mytouch slide (I was an early G1 adopter so my upgrade wouldn't have been till August). Got the red one, its so nice. Much better than the G1!
 
thewesker said:
You traded superb battery life for a much better phone, it's the one trade-off.
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A bad one. I'm going back to Nokia or Sony Ericsson next week. I will come back to Android based phones when they will have phones with some battery life. Untill then it's Symbian ^3 or Maemo/MeeGo for me. I really liked Android OS, it was smooth and the customization possibilitys were really great but with such poor battery life the phone is useless to me.
 
Fuzz Rez said:
A bad one. I'm going back to Nokia or Sony Ericsson next week. I will come back to Android based phones when they will have phones with some battery life. Untill then it's Symbian ^3 or Maemo/MeeGo for me. I really liked Android OS, it was smooth and the customization possibilitys were really great but with such poor battery life the phone is useless to me.
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but you have the same problem on iphone and any other smartphone with great functionality. The problem is the battery and the cpu, not the software. besides with juice defender you get about 50% more from your battery.
 
Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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Good God. WANT.

And this is why I simply don't understand the love iPhone fans have for that product.
 
obaidr said:
but you have the same problem on iphone and any other smartphone with great functionality. The problem is the battery and the cpu, not the software. besides with juice defender you get about 50% more from your battery.
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I know it's not the software but it seems all the android phones have some what lack luster battery life at the moment thus the reason I said I'm backing away from Android phones.

I need at least 2 days from my phone, 1.5 days is ok with heavy usage. Desire gives me 1 day with very light usage, 8-10 hours with my normal usage. Not enough. I will come back to these smarter than smart phones when the battery life goes up.

Nokia E72 or maybe some BlackBerry is my next stop. I had really fun ride (short but fun) with my first android phone. It is the best mobile OS out there and most def. I'm coming back to Android at some point but not just yet.
 
Fuzz Rez said:
I know it's not the software but it seems all the android phones have some what lack luster battery life at the moment thus the reason I said I'm backing away from Android phones.

I need at least 2 days from my phone, 1.5 days is ok with heavy usage. Desire gives me 1 day with very light usage, 8-10 hours with my normal usage. Not enough. I will come back to these smarter than smart phones when the battery life goes up.

Nokia E72 or maybe some BlackBerry is my next stop. I had really fun ride (short but fun) with my first android phone. It is the best mobile OS out there and most def. I'm coming back to Android at some point but not just yet.
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You see the specs for the Scorpion, right? For every battery advancement there is, there will be an equal performance enhancement. Clock speed, # of cores, GPU....there will always be something. You most likely will never see the battery life you're looking for unless you buy a high capacity battery to replace the stock one and those are bulky.
 
Fuzz Rez said:
I need at least 2 days from my phone, 1.5 days is ok with heavy usage.
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I don't think even Blackberry's give you this now with heavy use. My previous Palm didn't either. Charging every night (at least) is just habit/necessity with any of these phones now.
 
Andrex said:
Looks like a new HTC phone is gonna suckerpunch the Incredible, EVO, and Droid 2/Shadow. :lol

HTC Scorpion
- Android 2.2 Froyo
- 1.5 GHz Processor
- Verizon
- Possibly 4G

Man, this industry never settles down for a second does it? :lol

Man, Android 2.2 on a processor that fast... Everything is going to happen at like 1/10 of a second, at most. :lol Course, hopefully it has the amount of RAM the Incredible is packing, or more, that also seems to make a difference.
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Never thought HTC was so successful to release a new phone at those small time frames. They release phones with high-end specs almost every month or something. That's more incredible than the HTC Incredible.:lol
 
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