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[golem]

Re. iMessage: http://mightytext.net/ -- Dunno how well it compares but it does work.

iMessage actually has a few cool features over normal SMS including read/delivery receipts, typing indicator, easy group messaging, animated gif support and of course not requiring a SMS plan or phone number at all.

 

[maharg]

iMessage actually has a few cool features over normal SMS including read/delivery receipts, typing indicator, easy group messaging, animated gif support and of course not requiring a SMS plan or phone number at all.

Well, it's worth noting that on that front there's gtalk. As has been mentioned before.

It would definitely be nice for there to be a more direct integration of the two though. Apple's probably lording a patent on that over the industry, too, though.

 

[samus i am]

Nah, blackberry has had that for a long time (in reference to the patent remark).

 

[Tomcat]

updated with comparison against the one x, s3

lumia destroys them

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/25/iphone-5-lumia-920-image-stabilization-face-off/

 

[Chinner]

yeah that image stabilisation on the nokia is mental, pretty much ahead of everything else in that regard

 

[Ghost]

Engadget shot an elop interview with the 920, the stabilisation does work well but it produces some really weird little hitches.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

Engadget shot an elop interview with the 920, the stabilisation does work well but it produces some really weird little hitches.

I'd like to hold on to the thought that it's still prototype hardware.

 

[Ghost]

I'd like to hold on to the thought that it's still prototype hardware.

Comes out in a month (give or take a couple of weeks), they are putting it in the hands of journalists, at this point it pretty much has to ship this way.

It's not the end of the world, short of giving you a gimbal with every phone there's no amount of software that can fix all shudders and shakes.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Well, it's worth noting that on that front there's gtalk. As has been mentioned before.

It would definitely be nice for there to be a more direct integration of the two though. Apple's probably lording a patent on that over the industry, too, though.

Not available worldwide...

 

[nib95]

http://youtu.be/K0PeyXaB-2o

Good comparison between the iPhone 5 and the S3. Anybody seen any other ones that are pretty unbiased?

Lol at first comment.

Nice comparison Lisa... But you left out useful features like pop up player, usb otg, mhl, being able to drag and drop files, attach flash drives etc, micro sdxc card support allowing use of 64gb cards in sdxc format, better audio and video codec support, aptx for lossless bluetooth high quality audio, usb audio out, NFC, Smartstay on s3 etc which is lacking on the iphone. Hope to see these useful features mentioned in your future videos.

Having said that, most of these comparisons will be largely redundant in a few days once the Jelly Bean update starts hitting more countries. Main comparison I want to see is International S3 (quad core) on official Jelly Bean vs iPhone 5. So far any JB comparisons have been using the un-official version which does have a bit of lag on app launching (not present in the official rom).

 

[snap0212]

Lol at first comment.

Having said that, most of these comparisons will be largely redundant in a few days once the Jelly Bean update starts hitting more countries. Main comparison I want to see is International S3 (quad core) on official Jelly Bean vs iPhone 5. So far any JB comparisons have been using the un-official version which does have a bit of lag on app launching (not present in the official rom).

One of the best features (imo) is the support for mkv that the stock video player come with. I can now watch all my ripped movies that are on my external hard drive, which is connected to my router. Very cool.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Engadget shot an elop interview with the 920, the stabilisation does work well but it produces some really weird little hitches.

Yeah, there is a little distortion every so often. I wonder if that's caused by larger movements. Still, I'll take the bit of distortion over unusable video. I hope they can eliminate it in later iterations.

 

[thirty]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/25/iphone-5-lumia-920-image-stabilization-face-off/

video face off; one-x, iphone 5, 920

 

[Rengoku]

Lowlight Shootout Results: Lumia 920, Nokia 808, iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

 

[Funky Papa]

Lowlight Shootout Results: Lumia 920, Nokia 808, iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

Everybody should download the ZIP file at the end of the article. The original files show the real differences between each phone.

I'm still amazed by how beastly the 808 is. I can't wait till Nokia manages to marry the 808's sensor to the 920's brightness and stabilization tech. That phone will probably bankrupt nerds left and right, but it must exist. It must.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Don't think this engadget image comparison was posted yet:

It looks like Nokia's controversial marketing move, which involved using pro DSLRs to "simulate" low-light shooting, was even less necessary that the smartphone maker may have thought. During our visit to the company's Tampere, Finland research and development complex, we were given access to a comprehensive testing suite, enabling us to shoot with a Lumia 920 prototype and a handful of competing products in a controlled lighting environment. Technicians dimmed the lights and let us snap a static scene with each handset at just 5 lux -- a level on par with what you may expect on a dimly lit city street in the middle of the night. The 920 took the cake, without question, but the iPhone didn't fare too poorly itself, snatching up nearly as much light as the Nokia device. The 808 PureView also performed quite well, but the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy S III yielded unusable results.

It's one thing to snag proper exposure, though -- capturing sharp details with little noise and superior color balance is an entirely different beast, and the Lumia managed to do just that, as you'll see in our 100-percent-view shots further on. Later in the evening we hit the streets of Helsinki for a real-world shootout. The 920 did present some issues with exaggerated shake and other rapid movements, but it offered up excellent results overall, even in scenes that were too dark for us to make out any details with our own eyes. Our nighttime shoot can be found in the gallery below, followed by plenty of comparison photos after the break.

(with this last shot, they excluded the 808 shot with the ISO bumped up)

There's also a gallery of 920 low light shots.

EDIT: Dawww, beaten.

 

[JaggedSac]

Everybody should download the ZIP file at the end of the article. The original files show the real differences between each phone.

I'm still amazed by how beastly the 808 is. I can't wait till Nokia manages to marry the 808's sensor with the 920's brightness and stabilization tech. That phone will probably bankrupt nerds left and right, but it must exist. It must.

In the interview Engadget did with Elop yesterday he was talking about putting the various Pureview technologies together in interesting ways, so, I think it is on the burner, probably not the beastly 808 sensor, but maybe something that will allow for some interpolations.

 

[snap0212]

Everybody should download the ZIP file at the end of the article. The original files show the real differences between each phone.

Could you upload it? It's not available anymore, it seems. At least not today.

 

[Funky Papa]

Could you upload it? It's not available anymore, it seems. At least not today.

http://ge.tt/api/1/files/6jdWSQO/0/blob?download

It's at the source link.

 

[snap0212]

http://ge.tt/api/1/files/6jdWSQO/0/blob?download

It's at the source link.

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[Divvy]

Where they using night mode on the S3?

 

[f0lken]

Lowlight Shootout Results: Lumia 920, Nokia 808, iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

But its not only the bright on the image, the 920 its also better by far in level of detail:

But as Dream-Vision said before, it all is redundant now, the results aren't going to change no matter how many tests they do.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Lowlight Shootout Results: Lumia 920, Nokia 808, iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

Link: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

again, the 920 and iPhone 5 distance themselves from competitors. please give me a 920 release date!

But its not only the bright on the image, the 920 its also better by far in level of detail:



But as Dream-Vision said before, it all is redundant now, the results aren't going to change no matter how many tests they do.

indeed. the 920 is a superior camera taking device. i5 is the runner up. the rest are just sad, it appears. nothing is going to change that.

 

[Kinitari]

Really glad about the Lumina's crazy camera - it didn't really feel like any Android OEMs were taking cameras seriously enough - you better believe they will give it more thought now.

 

[RotBot]

Where they using night mode on the S3?

Doesn't look like it. I think Windows Phone and iOS switch to high ISO automatically. On Android, you have to force them into night mode. It doesn't seem like a fair comparison with everything set to auto. The attached zip file has reached the traffic limit, so I can't check the EXIF.

 

[GCX]

I find it interesting how Nokia suddenly started inventing ridiculous camera tech. I mean they've had Carl Zeiss as a partner for a long time and phones like N8 had nice camera but nothing really groundbreaking. Would be nice to read about what went into the whole pureview R&D.

 

[The Faceless Master]

I have a ton of people who use IRC on their phone. It destroys your battery though.

i guess it's nice to have things like removable batteries and portable chargers...

 

[Funky Papa]

I still can't believe how much of a POS is Samsung's camera. It makes even less sense considering that the GSIII is otherwise a great phone.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I still can't believe how much of a POS is Samsung's camera. It makes even less sense considering that the GSIII is otherwise a great phone.

posters seem to be suggesting that enabling "night mode" would have resulted in better results.

who knows.

 

[Divvy]

Doesn't look like it. I think Windows Phone and iOS switch to high ISO automatically. On Android, you have to force them into night mode. It doesn't seem like a fair comparison with everything set to auto. The attached zip file has reached the traffic limit, so I can't check the EXIF.

Yeah, that's kind of a ridiculous comparison if they didn't bother turning that on to test low light. I mean that's just dumb.

 

[Funky Papa]

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They changed it again. Not sure if it works.

https://www.wetransfer.com/dl/Ftoec...c21d5d14a69bb25f577f756b63e74729e8c1795697556

posters seem to be suggesting that enabling "night mode" would have resulted in better results.

who knows.

It is still rather poor considering the rest of the hardware, IMO.

I find it interesting how Nokia suddenly started inventing ridiculous camera tech. I mean they've had Carl Zeiss as a partner for a long time and phones like N8 had nice camera but nothing really groundbreaking. Would be nice to read about what went into the whole pureview R&D.

Nokia has tons of expertise in camera tech. It's just that they went through a bad slump and a number of competitors ran over them. I'd say they are back to form.

 

[Divvy]

posters seem to be suggesting that enabling "night mode" would have resulted in better results.

who knows.

Well when the Verge did a comparison of the cameras previously, they showed the difference between regular and night mode:

The One X has it too apparently, but it looks quite assy

 

[Funky Papa]

Doesn't look like it. I think Windows Phone and iOS switch to high ISO automatically. On Android, you have to force them into night mode. It doesn't seem like a fair comparison with everything set to auto. The attached zip file has reached the traffic limit, so I can't check the EXIF.

Night mode is also a separate preset in WinPho.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Where they using night mode on the S3?

why would they NOT use night mode? especially after the last controversy and shenanigans?

 

[Souldriver]

As a fan of the Nokia phones, there's one thing that will always prevent me from buying any of them. Their size.

I'm sorry, it's been said enough I sure, but the Lumia's are just massive. In every aspect the Lumia's seem to best the HTC's. But simply because the latter are thinner, they're above the Nokias on my Wish List.

... But they're all too big. I want a small, thin Nokia WP phone, with a 3.5 inch screen. I doubt I'll ever see one.

 

[Divvy]

why would they NOT use night mode? especially after the last controversy and shenanigans?

What last controversy?

 

[snap0212]

why would they NOT use night mode? especially after the last controversy and shenanigans?

They have not used night mode. Just checked the EXIF.

I'm sorry, but just using standard mode doesn't make sense at all, ever. That's disappointing and does NONE of these cameras justice.

 

[Windu]

As a fan of the Nokia phones, there's one thing that will always prevent me from buying any of them. Their size.

I'm sorry, it's been said enough I sure, but the Lumia's are just massive. In every aspect the Lumia's seem to best the HTC's. But simply because the latter are thinner, they're above the Nokias on my Wish List.

... But they're all too big. I want a small, thin Nokia WP phone, with a 3.5 inch screen. I doubt I'll ever see one.

indeed. too big imo. I don't like this trend of bigger phones because of LTE and bigger batteries. I loved the Lumia 800 and then they had to blow it up with the 900 and 920. I prefer the look of the 8x over the 920. It is a tall phone though, but those thin edges make it look really thin. The 920 just looks like a huge brick.

 

[Raelson]

As a fan of the Nokia phones, there's one thing that will always prevent me from buying any of them. Their size.

I'm sorry, it's been said enough I sure, but the Lumia's are just massive. In every aspect the Lumia's seem to best the HTC's. But simply because the latter are thinner, they're above the Nokias on my Wish List.

... But they're all too big. I want a small, thin Nokia WP phone, with a 3.5 inch screen. I doubt I'll ever see one.

Yes, it bothers me too.

 

[GCX]

why would they NOT use night mode? especially after the last controversy and shenanigans?

The test was done by Engadget, not Nokia. From the article:

To ensure consistency, we set all of the smartphones to auto shooting mode, with our trusted senior mobile editor Myriam Joire behind the wheel. She matched up framing and held each device perfectly still -- she describes the process described in the video below.

 

[adelante]

They have not used night mode. Just checked the EXIF.

Lol yeah just checked them out myself. iPhone shot taken at 3200ISO while the GS3 one was at 800ISO. Hardly fair

 

[Divvy]

Lol iPhone shot taken at 3200ISO while the GS3 one was at 800ISO. Hardly fair

What ISO was the 920 taken at?

 

[Anton Sugar]

They have not used night mode. Just checked the EXIF.

I'd like to know the details on how the Lumia determines which settings to use in low light conditions, as WP also has a night mode, and I'm assuming they didn't use it, either.

Night modes seem to be a combination of slower shutter speed and/or an ISO bump. An ISO bump will increase the grain (which already looks considerable in the One X and GS3) and longer shutter speed can result in blur.

Does the OIS just allow a longer shutter speed with less blur? It doesn't look that grainy like most high-ISO shots do.

800, which is mighty impressive

Yeah, that's what I figured. OIS negates the need for a high ISO.

 

[adelante]

What ISO was the 920 taken at?

800, which is mighty impressive (was looking at the shots of the yacht btw)

The other shot comparison (photo frame, color markers, etc on table):

808 - ISO 1250
920 - ISO 800
GS3 - ISO 800
iPhone 5 - ISO 2500
OneX - ISO 1250

 

[Divvy]

800, which is mighty impressive

Indeed, thanks for the info. My lust for this phone grows stronger.

 

[Funky Papa]

What ISO was the 920 taken at?

800

Edit: Maybe that's the default ISO of the iPhone 5? Can somebody check?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

As a fan of the Nokia phones, there's one thing that will always prevent me from buying any of them. Their size.

I'm sorry, it's been said enough I sure, but the Lumia's are just massive. In every aspect the Lumia's seem to best the HTC's. But simply because the latter are thinner, they're above the Nokias on my Wish List.

... But they're all too big. I want a small, thin Nokia WP phone, with a 3.5 inch screen. I doubt I'll ever see one.

seems to me that battery life continues to be the bane of a lot of these phones. not sure if its always the OS or if it's all these new almost-ready-for-showtime early-adopter features like NFC and wireless charging, but it seems to me that the combination of those features and the battery size needed to accomidate them at this moment in time is resulting in some really thick devices.

Still, I didn't find the 900 or SGS3 preposterous when I examined them locally. I know this 920 is bigger still, but I'll defer judgement until I can hold one in my hand...whenever that will be.

800, which is mighty impressive (was looking at the shots of the yacht btw)

The other shot comparison (photo frame, markers, etc on table):

808 - ISO 1250
920 - ISO 800
GS3 - ISO 800
iPhone 5 - ISO 2500
OneX - ISO 1250

I admit I'm impressed that the iPhone 5 had relatively little noise given the high ISO level. ISO2500 is really high.

Not sure how I feel about the SGS3 having that much noise at ISO800.

the 920 is just amazin.

 

[GCX]

Does the OIS just allow a longer shutter speed with less blur? It doesn't look that grainy like most high-ISO shots do.

Yeah, the OIS makes longer shutter speed possible since it "corrects" some of the natural hand trembling and that way causes less blur.

 

[Tomcat]

why would they NOT use night mode? especially after the last controversy and shenanigans?

All phones are set in auto mode, nothing unfair in this. If other phones were set in night mode they will still fail due to the shake and blurry in pics. lumia wins either way

 

[nib95]

seems to me that battery life continues to be the bane of a lot of these phones. not sure if its always the OS or if it's all these new almost-ready-for-showtime early-adopter features like NFC and wireless charging, but it seems to me that the combination of those features and the battery size needed to accomidate them at this moment in time is resulting in some really thick devices.

Still, I didn't find the 900 or SGS3 preposterous when I examined them locally. I know this 920 is bigger still, but I'll defer judgement until I can hold one in my hand...whenever that will be.

S3 is large only because of its screen, even then it's an extremely efficient design in terms of size conservation. Smaller bezels top and bottom compared to most phones, including the iPhone 5 and 920. The battery life is also very good, partly thanks to its rather massive 2100mAh battery.

More companies need to up the battery capacity fitted in to these devices. The sub 2000mAh batteries in recent tent pole devices (iPhone 5 and Xperia T) imo are cop outs and underwhelming to say the least.