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Android Thread - 2011 Edition | Stuffed on Gingerbread, Hungry for Honeycomb!

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OriginalThinking said:
I guess a lot of this comes down to opinion, which is of course totally subjective. I actually find the look of Honeycomb far more enticing than say Gingerbread or iOS which is starting to look dated particularly next to Windows Phone 7, or as I said earlier, Honeycomb. I can understand why the Tron look wouldn't appeal though. That's where the OEM's come in. The Galaxy Tab 2 looks more iOSey, ditches the Tron fonts etc.

I think companies such as Asus, Acer and the other netbook manufactures who are worried about the iPad stealing marketshare will power Android along. Tablets are very much still a luxury, niche product even with the iPad, so the likes of Acer, Asus and others are the guys who have what it takes for tablets to go mainstream and ultimately take over from netbooks in the mid to long term. This will only be achieved by competitive pricing, but we've already started to see the beginning of that with the Transformer and Iconia. As more and more Honeycomb tablets flood the market, competition will mean that we can look forward to a future where good quality tablets could cost sub $300. At least that's where I think the market is going. I mean Honeycomb is these guys wet dream - no licensing costs for a fully touch optimised Tablet OS and at the moment fairly standardised hardware - You don't need excessive ram or a processor that will cost a bomb and as it's designed on ARM architecture power consumption is low compared to traditional laptops. I don't think we'll see the explosive growth of Android on Tablets that we've seen on phones but if (as rumoured) Ice Cream combines Honeycomb with the Phone OS and Dragonpoint (Google TV) into one then it's going to get very interesting. The developers who get on board early with Honeycomb and make quality apps that make a name for themselves will really profit. With so few apps available they will quickly stand out and generate the word of mouth that will create value in the long term. If I was a developer I would be programming right now, cos this is a chance to get on board the train early and that chance doesn't come along often.

As for HP, I guess it'll come down to the ecosystem and the pricing. WebOS lacks mindshare right now, so it's going to take a huge marketing push and charm offensive with the media. That ain't easy to pull off, just ask Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 is doing OK, but it is constantly drowned out by the relentless army of cutting edge Android handsets being released every month and the almighty power of the Apple brand. Interesting times ahead.

the webos tablet is going to be fine for the 3% of the people who get it, with stock applications only. Its going to go the same route as the phone. It has the least mindshare among all smartphones, even below symbian in the US... Windows mobile is still declining quarter over quarter, which i wouldn't call "doing ok"... it appears to be a saturated market. MS will plug along because it has a good deal of money invested, but if their minuscule slice of pie is still shrinking they are hurting for attention as well


also, looks like the bionic is getting shitcanned. Tegra 2 and LTE causing some issues. Thats upsetting. Guess i won't be getting a 4G phone as its pretty clear LTE isn't quite ready for prime time this year.
 
Not LTE's fault that the Tegra 2 is buggy. Works fine on my Snapdragon Thunderbolt (OCed to 1.92 GHz).

I wonder what this means for the LTE upgrade for the Xoom.
 
So I had bought WidgetLocker a month or so back...but now I have to buy it again even thought it shows up under "My Market Account"...

I thought you didn't have to pay for the same app twice?
 
It does seem to be a problem with Tegra 2 since the Droid Charge is about to come out and it's LTE and single core and the Thunderbolt is out and working fine with LTE.
 
AndroidGAF! I need your help!

Andross has invaded the Lylat system! I'm getting my new phone this upcoming weekend (The HTC Inspire). Someone had recommended a case of some sort for it, and I can't remember which.

Does anyone either:

A) Remember said case.

or

B) Recommend a case

Thank you.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
So I had bought WidgetLocker a month or so back...but now I have to buy it again even thought it shows up under "My Market Account"...

I thought you didn't have to pay for the same app twice?

You don't. Have you tried pushing the install from market.android.com?
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Not LTE's fault that the Tegra 2 is buggy. Works fine on my Snapdragon Thunderbolt (OCed to 1.92 GHz).

I wonder what this means for the LTE upgrade for the Xoom.

its not buggy, its too much heat is whats being reported (too much heat and too little battery life combining the dual core with the LTE chipset)
 
dream said:
It's not called the ANT.
*whew* CRISIS AVERTED.

If only the 8GB model didn't look so out of place.
gkryhewy said:
Very impressive video review of the G2x:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYULrpSFu6g

Interesting that they found the screen so impressive, since I read a lengthy UK review that was very negative on the screen. The UK review didn't mention IPS either; is the US model screen improved?

I think this is definitely my next phone, and the upgrade from my first gen MyTouch 3G is going to be oh so sweet. The wait until May 10th (my full upgrade eligibility date) is going to be painful.

The pyramid I may pass on, but only the Galaxy S II keeps me from getting the G2X RIGHT NOW. With that said, I'm interested to see how it performs with the At&t sim as soon as someone unlocks it.

The jump from the Mytouch 3G to the G2x should be godly.
 
ASUS has hit it out of the park with the Transformer, another overview of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps

http://www.youtube.com/user/andyxover#p/a/u/0/FEQqXi-3NpU

Thing looks fantastic stand alone and the keyboard dock looks useful as fuck. (Shortcuts, multi touch gestures on trackpad(Take notes Moto). USB drive support.

I think I'm getting this on launch day. <3

I'm also glad to not see that horrible EEE logo anywhere on it. (that thing is hideous)

edit: Built in remote desktop....awesome
 
Copernicus said:
ASUS has hit it out of the part with the Transformer, another overview of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps

http://www.youtube.com/user/andyxover#p/a/u/0/FEQqXi-3NpU

Thing looks fantastic stand alone and the keyboard dock looks useful as fuck. (Shortcuts, multi touch gestures on trackpad(Take notes Moto). USB drive support.

I think I'm getting this on launch day. <3

I'm also glad to not see that horrible EEE logo anywhere on it. (that thing is hideous)

edit: Built in remote desktop....awesome
Ooh, that's what I've been looking for. Dump the laptop and replace it with a headless desktop and a mobile device that can access it remotely. I thought the atrix could be that but it was gimped. This could be more viable. Looks cool.
 
Copernicus said:
ASUS has hit it out of the park with the Transformer, another overview of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps

http://www.youtube.com/user/andyxover#p/a/u/0/FEQqXi-3NpU

Thing looks fantastic stand alone and the keyboard dock looks useful as fuck. (Shortcuts, multi touch gestures on trackpad(Take notes Moto). USB drive support.

I think I'm getting this on launch day. <3

I'm also glad to not see that horrible EEE logo anywhere on it. (that thing is hideous)

edit: Built in remote desktop....awesome

Man everytime I see it, the more tempted I am. I really gotta wait for Apple to announce iOS5 though. They can sell me on an iPad 2 if they announce widgets and a proper notification system. If they don't announce both, I think I'll get an Asus Transformer assuming people are pleased by the time Apple announces.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Man everytime I see it, the more tempted I am. I really gotta wait for Apple to announce iOS5 though. They can sell me on an iPad 2 if they announce widgets and a proper notification system. If they don't announce both, I think I'll get an Asus Transformer assuming people are pleased by the time Apple announces.


Widgets seems like an odd thing to push you over. For me, the microsd card slot, the price, the keyboard dock, and the battery life (that comes with the keyboard dock) are what is so compelling about the Transformer vs the Ipad2.

The big thing driving me towards the Ipad2 is the apps available and the guaranteed solid support with updates versus the Android scene where you can often have big delays in getting the latest updates.

Of course, the shallow reason I am leaning towards the Ipad2 is that I will be able to get it sooner. But man, the Transformer looks SO good.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
I'd say a notification overall is guaranteed with iOS 5, widgets on the other hand...highly unlikely.

Ya, I'd be surprised if they didn't overhaul the notification system. Widgets, while probably unlikely since Apple no longer likes to push the competition on software features, are something I really am hoping they'll surprise me with because of how much screen space you have with an iPad 2. I'm just terribly disappointed that Apple didn't give us anything regarding software to take advantage of the tablet fom factor when the iPad 2 was announced. iOS5 is sorta the last straw.

On a different note, the fact that the keyboard base charges the tablet when docked is way awesome and something new that I didn't know before. It's a nice small touch.
 
Marty Chinn said:
On a different note, the fact that the keyboard base charges the tablet when docked is way awesome and something new that I didn't know before. It's a nice small touch.


Yes, that kind of attention to detail makes me feel pretty good about the device.
 
Yaboosh said:
Widgets seems like an odd thing to push you over. For me, the microsd card slot, the price, the keyboard dock, and the battery life (that comes with the keyboard dock) are what is so compelling about the Transformer vs the Ipad2.

The big thing driving me towards the Ipad2 is the apps available and the guaranteed solid support with updates versus the Android scene where you can often have big delays in getting the latest updates.

Of course, the shallow reason I am leaning towards the Ipad2 is that I will be able to get it sooner. But man, the Transformer looks SO good.

Asus has a good history of support it's legacy hardware in the PC world, so I wouldn't worry about it.

(I personally don't worry about it cause CM will be going on it as soon as it's available)
 
Yaboosh said:
Widgets seems like an odd thing to push you over. For me, the microsd card slot, the price, the keyboard dock, and the battery life (that comes with the keyboard dock) are what is so compelling about the Transformer vs the Ipad2.

The big thing driving me towards the Ipad2 is the apps available and the guaranteed solid support with updates versus the Android scene where you can often have big delays in getting the latest updates.

Of course, the shallow reason I am leaning towards the Ipad2 is that I will be able to get it sooner. But man, the Transformer looks SO good.

Widgets make a lot of sense to me in a tablet form factor. I can sorta leave it on a phone, but with that much screen space, and how it will probably be used, it would be just so nice to pick up and look at all the updates and info I need rather than going into each app at a time. The thing has the screen space to do that.

Otherwise, the micro sd is certainly nice and I could take advantage of it, it's not as crucial for me now. The keyboard is definitely awesome, but more so in how they connect and how they ineract with each other. An iPad can use a bluetooth keyboard, but most certainly the experience here is done better. Then there is just stuff like the standard usb and hdmi ports and so forth. The Asus has a lot going for it.

But there are a few things that are keeping me still looking at an iPad. The first is I'm already invested app wise in several areas. Things like Comic Zeal which is a primary reason for me wanting a tablet is something I've paid for and I'm not sure what the experience is like on the Android front. Then there is the fact that I'm much more familiar with iOS, what it's shortcomings are, what software is available and so forth, so the switch to Android, no matter how much I read up on it, is a bit scary to not know what annoyances or issue I'm most certainly will encounter. And finally, when jailbroken, I can use XBMC on the iPad now which is very very compelling to me since it integrates nicely into my network media server setup and transforms the iPad into a media streaming device that can access everything in my network that I've already designed. Then of course there is stuff like Netflix that still is not available on Android. So while I'm sure software will come on Android, there are a few holes that I do question.

What I want out of a tablet is something that is much more than just a giant phone and that's why Honeycomb is more compelling to me than iOS right now. It just feels like there's a lot more thought about making the tablet experience more unique and takes advantage of the form factor. I want something that is more in between a phone and a desktop, and if anything leaning more towards a desktop than a phone. To me, widgets are a compelling aspect of that tablet experience. So ya, that's why widgets feel more important to me right now. Maybe once I sit down and start playing with them I'll realize maybe they aren't as important, but I can't see that being true just like how an RSS reader is much nicer than going to each bookmark link to get your content.
 
The EeePad Transformer is a step in the right direction. Future Android tablets should build themselves after it.
 
I am just getting mildly frustrated by the complete lack of information from Asus about release date and pricing.

I mean, sure, people are saying April 30 and $399/499, but that seems like complete hearsay. If Asus comes out tomorrow and confirms the rumors of the end of the month and that pricing, I will preorder it. But if not, I am considering going on Tuesday to wait in line for an Ipad2. I figure that impatience is as good a reason as any to decide between the two products.
 
I remember laughing at the transformer when it was revealed at CES.

Now I'm trying to decided whether or not to get the bundle at launch to save $50.
 
Yaboosh said:
I am just getting mildly frustrated by the complete lack of information from Asus about release date and pricing.

I mean, sure, people are saying April 30 and $399/499, but that seems like complete hearsay. If Asus comes out tomorrow and confirms the rumors of the end of the month and that pricing, I will preorder it. But if not, I am considering going on Tuesday to wait in line for an Ipad2. I figure that impatience is as good a reason as any to decide between the two products.

Just wait. I see no reason why a couple weeks will be that big of a deal for such a purchase. I get the new gadget lust, and maybe it's the fact that I had a free iPad for almost a year before I had to give it back, but when you look back, that extra amount of time will be peanuts compared to being sure of which device you want.
 
Does anybody have any more information about the cloud support that seems to be coming with the Transformer? It was mentioned briefly in that review video and mentioned on the spec sheet, but I can't find any details.


Marty Chinn said:
Just wait. I see no reason why a couple weeks will be that big of a deal for such a purchase. I get the new gadget lust, and maybe it's the fact that I had a free iPad for almost a year before I had to give it back, but when you look back, that extra amount of time will be peanuts compared to being sure of which device you want.


You are definitely right, but I guess I just feel that I will not be let down by the Ipad2, so I am more willing to give in to impatience. If it were a mediocre Android tablet I were going to jump on instead of waiting for the Transformer, then I would just think it were stupid not to wait. As it is, they are even enough that I am wavering on my resolve to wait it out.
 
It's mainly cause I have to budget it alongside some other equipment.

At least they didn't price it Motorola Style, "Buy it now or pay 250% later".
 
If you're not going to get the Transformer dock, get the Toshiba or Acer tablet instead. Infact, the Toshiba with its removable battery could have swayed me if the 16gig was launching at the 8GB's price. Actually, the 8 almost doesn't seem necessary at that price-point.

Yaboosh said:
Lots of people are saying that, yay end of the month, ya $399, but I won't trust it until there is either way more widespread confirmation or a press release from Asus.

Things can change pretty quickly in the tech industry but I'm hopeful the price wouldn't. From my post back in January (love at first sight with the Transformer)

Ephemeris said:
The only real attractive one to me is the $399 Transformer (I really do hate the name).

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Ephemeris said:
Yeah, I know what you mean. There's still more tablet madness to come, but the worst-titled one out of the 4 (transformer. bleh) would be the one I get. Loved it when I first saw it last year:

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Hmm, what has changed since January? They even did better than expected, since I thought it would have 512 instead 1GB of memory. I've warmed up to the name, but I still think it's terrible. It's soon here..

..
but watch me get an ipad instead. M. Night Shyamalan ain't got shit on me.
 
Saw this on engadget earlier:

The Slider moving from Tegra 2 to an Intel Processor?
eeepad-slider-04-17-2011.jpg

There's now some pretty strong evidence suggesting that might not be the case, however, with none other than Intel letting slip that the Slider would actually pack its brand new Atom Z670 processor instead of NVIDIA's silicon. That evidence you see above cropped up on Intel's press page following its announcement for the new Atom processor, although it's since been removed -- suggesting that it was either a colossal mistake or, more likely, a reveal that was a bit too premature for ASUS' liking.

Got to be Fake**. If not,

You_are_already_dead-(n1296951764362).jpg



** I say it's fake simply because that would mean one of two things. Either Honeycomb would be x86 compatible thanks to the staff of some quick-working geniuses at Asus (LOL) or it's going to come with Froyo. Either way, meh.
 
Andrex said:
Well Google TV works on Intel, it's not impossible to think that.

Then Google I/O 2011 is going to be amazing. I'd skip the transformer and get something so I could dual-boot honeycomb and Win 7/8 !
 
Ephemeris said:
Then Google I/O 2011 is going to be amazing. I'd skip the transformer and get something so I could dual-boot honeycomb and Win 7/8 !

I'm just holding out for a decent Chrome OS notebook/tablet.
 
Ephemeris said:
Saw this on engadget earlier:

The Slider moving from Tegra 2 to an Intel Processor?
eeepad-slider-04-17-2011.jpg



Got to be Fake**. If not,

You_are_already_dead-(n1296951764362).jpg



** I say it's fake simply because that would mean one of two things. Either Honeycomb would be x86 compatible thanks to the staff of some quick-working geniuses at Asus (LOL) or it's going to come with Froyo. Either way, meh.

Umm... not Asus google and Intel have been working on an x86 compatible version for quite a while. That was announced I think the same time honeycomb was first announced
 
giga said:
Don't care about battery life?
you know, I actually wrote something about it then backspaced to add win 7 onto 8. lol


gcubed said:
Umm... not Asus google and Intel have been working on an x86 compatible version for quite a while. That was announced I think the same time honeycomb was first announced

Hmmm. I've played with x86-Android before, and I know there's a Froyo version reworked by a couple groups around, but had no idea that it was an active effort. Consider me intrigued.
 
Ephemeris said:
Hmmm. I've played with x86-Android before, and I know there's a Froyo version reworked by a couple groups around, but had no idea that it was an active effort. Consider me intrigued.
I can almost guarantee Android x86 is a very high priority for Intel. Now that Meego is in trouble, Android is their only real shot at the smartphone space, and all indications are they're very serious about being in that market.
 
Copernicus said:
Chrome was running better within windows 7 than chrome os was at the time I did it. (Last december.)

Oh. Yeah, that's pretty crappy. But didn't that mean you forfeited your 100 MB (lol) a month?
 
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