The à¹ÛBronx
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This seems to have nothing to do with my reply so I'm genuinely unsure about what you're saying.
Diablo and Destiny are entirely unalike in their approach to content rollout and how the community persists through it.
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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Diablo and Destiny are entirely unalike in their approach to content rollout and how the community persists through it.
Your not getting it are you ?
Gear and power levels are obsolete after every expansion / dlc . It's a MMO . It's a lite version , but it's an MMO
How on earth is PUBG an MMO ? It's a battle royals game . Think about what makes an MMO , not player count
Salty Rice
Member
WIth the exception of the shader bullshit and the microtransactions i dont agree with his points of criticism at the end at all.
The enemy in this game was fine and the teaser at the end shouldnt have been in this game yet.
Thats like crying why a hero they tease in a marvel movie after credits scene wasnt in the actual movie itself.
The enemy in this game was fine and the teaser at the end shouldnt have been in this game yet.
Thats like crying why a hero they tease in a marvel movie after credits scene wasnt in the actual movie itself.
It's a service game.
It's a campaign shooter with a few cooperative only missions (which are entirely doable solo) and a raid, which is as close as Destiny gets to being an MMO.
I said by the logic that you're using, that Destiny was an MMO because millions of people were playing the game, that by those standards PUBG would be an MMO. Obviously it isn't.
I find it hilarious though, even Bungie at every opportunity provided when someone mentions it as an MMO, corrects them and says it isn't. I believe they call it a shared world shooter?
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
You seem to not understand why Destiny was successful, or just completely unwilling to accept the similarities for the sake of a label.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
I think everyone else gets it. It's you that's tripping up. If Destiny is an MMO, it is a bad one because it's content-starved af. I
Whatever you believe man . The majority knows it's a MMO lite at the very least . And yeah , raids kinda give it away
Destiny is not looking to compete with WoW, to suggest it is is a reach. Its a first person shooter Diablo.
It has some MMO elements, that much is true, but it is a shooter first and foremost - the idea that because it doesn't lean completely into the depth of the MMO spectrum, therefore, PC gamers will shun it just wishful thinking.
It looks gorgeous, plays like a dream and can be very rewarding in its mechanics.
I'm sure there are many other types of players on PC than MMO players who will find something here for themselves warts and all.
It released a week ago . Lol 😂. Bad or not it's a MMO. Don't let destiny hurt your feelings
It's called entertaining people.
I do not watch AJ's unedited stuff but his reviews I love. Sure, he is very opinionated and not everyone likes that. In particular, uhm let's say, younger and hype-fueled audiences like Destiny's have issues with these kind of reviews and need a stream of 8/9/10s-reviews instead in order to feel good about their purchasing decision.
Even when I have a different opinion than Joe on a game I enjoy watching his reviews because his arguments are well-reasoned and presented. And more often than not, seemingly controversial outlier reviews by him turned out to reflect the general consensus closer after the honeymoon period was over than the release-hype-reviews.
Anyway, what strikes me from having seen various reviews and quite a bit of streamed gameplay, it strangely seems as if the general vibe and art is way less inspired than D1's. Everything looks a bit more generic. This hardly gets mentioned by reviewers. Am I under the wrong impression or is there something to it?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Joe's frustrations with the game sounds reasonable, not surprised with his final score!
Not a suprise that Joe doesn't post or come into his own review threads anymore with childish comments like this.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
The environment design through the campaign is some of the best I've seen in any shooter. Let alone some of the lost sectors or the Vex strike. The armour I think you have a point on, weapons I like though.
I'm glad you specifically know what the majority of people think.
Anyway I'm done. I said it has MMO elements but you're unbudging on it having any sort of similarities to Diablo which is just talking to a brick wall.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Aight look little guy, calm yourself. I know you really like Destiny. I haven't even played it, just watched this review. But you've got to stop making excuses just because you're a big fan.
That's why you're complaining about Joe's review being "for clicks" . Nah it ain't. It's for those of us who weren't wooed by Bungie's "well, the core gameplay is addicting and I like loot, screw everything else" approach. That's why it's a 6/10. He's telling people like me that it's not really worth coming back this series and dropping $60. Not much has changed.
BTW, you're complaining about it releasing a week ago but vanilla MMOs usually have a ton of content day one. Destiny is something else.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Pretty sure I'm older than you , but anyway your calling out game reviewers for stuff you don't like . Pretty crap stuff imo.
Sure you might have tastes aligned to old Joe but he get his clicks from" over the top "reviews . Look back at some of his old reviews , he Doesn't understand the games he's playing . Apart from cod , he sees that stuff as innovative, but other sequels are whatever , lol
That once you know how to do can take an hour. With a single boss. MMO raids have 10-15 bosses. Totally comparable though, in name alone. XD
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
I'd honestly disagree with that sentiment. Loot is a massive factor behind my enjoyment of Destiny but I haven't had any urge to go chasing any of the exotic quests or grind out something specific for an item yet. I've just been having fun doing all of the new stuff, and exploring the game at my own pace.
I find it odd you mock others for using juvenile arguments but then just roll around like a pig in the mud after saying you're done. What an extremely bizarre post, ignorant of the entire discussion before it.
After the Halo 5 review thread where he had to personally come here and defend himself i think its safe to say hes just done with responding to anybody on gaf.
Same goes for The Order 1886, those two reviews really killed him here.
Your wrong , I hate the Pvp and thought the raid was the worst they have done . It's still an MMO though
Is this a serious reply ? It's activision , you will be paying for each raid . Per expansion , like an MMO , you know , lol
TatteredHat
Member
Have you ever played an MMO? One raid per expansion is not the norm. If this is a MMO it's the most content-starved MMO in existence.
My guess you never played a MMO then.
Soul of the Beast
Member
I am not a MMO guy but from what I've read in your post it sounds like a terrible experience.
The ๖ۜBronx;249143854 said:
I'm not mocking them, I'm agreeing with them.
MMOs have multiple raid tiers, multiple raids per expansion, and are much, much larger in scope.
Destiny raids are fun, but are in no way comparable to raids in MMOs, plus not every 'expansion' even has one.
Sorry, I really am done now. I do apologize.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
I know you were agreeing that post, that was the point.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Destiny 2 by virtue of being hosted on the BNet client is going to compared to WoW regardless if it intends to compete with it or not. People will see Blizzard titles and they will see Destiny 2 on the list of a handful of games.
The problem I see is that the blend is not working on the MMO elements and it's reward system is pisspoor from what I'm reading. Even WoW's legendary system (borrowed from Diablo 3) doesn't do duplicate bullshit.
1. I'm calling out the hype-review-machine and how fanboys feed on it and can't tolerate outliers. Also, you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of here. Projecting much, huh?
2. I already mentioned that my opinion on games is not always the same as Joe's. But I still appreciate his reviews.
3. He is not a clickbait reviewer and generally well-regarded (although some don't like his schtick, which is perfectly fine).
4. Unrelated to my post but I have to echo what others have said already: Destiny is not an MMO. It's a service-game.
Have you ever played a mmo
We're talking about an FPS game here , with raids . Not a top down free to play pc game .
Sure the pc game has more room for expansion content but FPS games are way more expensive to develop than what you guys are referring too .
Look , im not saying destiny is worth the money etc , that's up for the purchaser to decide . But this non MMO stuff is rubbish . It might not be the full on pc experience you like , but it's the new console one , and it is an MMO.
Genres change over time . They always have
Razgriz-Specter
Member
A 39.99 Expansion for XIV has more content than Destiny 1 + all expansions
(A far longer story quest than Destiny 1 or 2 + nearly 30 "dungeons" and nearly 10 separate "boss battles".
At that point why is Destiny 2 not just another expansion or 2?
Direct story missions are very few, only 1 raid
Nothing in 2 that really necessities a full new game then.
Is every game hosted on Bnet compared to WoW?
If that is what you have been reading, I suggest you try not being selective your reading, maybe poke your head in the OT and ask people who are actually still playing the game.
But on the real though, D2 is still flawed in many ways, but its enjoyable fun and social (and more so than any other FPS encourages co-operative play) a rare thing in what I consider a pretty toxic genre. So, your initial post about how "it's going to bomb on PC" because WoW players won't like is merely wishful thinking - I imagine you like so many others in here poped in this thread for a bit of confirmation bias.
So when it releases on PC then the console excuse gets thrown out the window?
Again, lets not forget that MMOs exist on console. A good bit actually. Being on console is no excuse for Destiny.
For example I play FF14, an MMO on PS4. Complete with text chat, a huge world with hundreds of players running around, cities, gearing, crafting, skills, tons of raids, and expansions, not sequels every few years.
I also play Destiny, a shooter.
That's activision for you , and the rest . Call of duty , battlefield , battlefront , AC , halo , gears , forza , etc etc , what is not an expansion ? Please enlighten.
What MMO sells massively on console ? I actually don't know . So let me know
stargateheaven
Member
i 100% agree with his review to be honest. The score? 6.5 if i could.
Think this thread has reached its peak.
Nice counter , good grief . Nice shit post
FF14. Elder Scrolls Online. Skyforge. DC Universe. Neverwinter.
Probably others, I don't play many.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Feels like it's been quite some time since I've seen an AJ review for a game. Has he been focusing more on movies?
Took a break I think.
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
I actually seldom agree with Angry Joe, but I find his content valuable and often don't feel like his reasoning is so far gone that I can't understand where he comes up with his verdict. It's absolutely different than my reasoning much of the time.
That said, I have loved Destiny since Taken King's content and systems revamp, but I almost entirely agree with him on Destiny 2. Furthermore, that makes me excited to continue play into Destiny 2, as my starting opinion on Destiny probably starts much higher than AJ's due to my love of the games since Taken King, but I don't feel like a single thing he says isn't wrong. Worst acceptable scenario for Destiny 2 was it just feeling like the next huge Taken King style content delivery, and while it's actually a bit bigger than Taken King, it still feels almost too familiar. I even dropped playing my favorite class, The Hunter, because I didn't feel like the various tweaks to its three subclasses amounted to much of a difference to continue my intrigue.
The new lighting engine seems to do really weird things to the way my character looks, and one time shaders being a thing now makes me feel a lot less fondly about my character, too. No new subclasses, though a few got reasonably big retoolings (though, again, not really on my favorite class -- the Hunter). No new classes. No new customization options for characters. All compounded on top of the inevitability that expansion purchases will be essentially REQUIRED to continue any sense of progression, even if you're still getting caught up in older content, with past Nightfall and other existing content lockouts for people who didn't buy.
Yeah, it's more Destiny, and that's fine... but with a big old 2 slapped on it, and with the sense of newness fading with the 10 hours it takes to complete the campaign before you're thrown into the same old grind that yields pretty much the same pace of gameplay and accomplishment creep... Well, alright. It's a game that ideally resonates because of its draw of perpetual play, but everything seems to feel so familiar that perpetual play seems a lot more shortsighted for me going in. It's why I've stopped playing my PS4 copy, because my heart was set on the PC version when it was announced, affirmed by the stellar performance and great visual fidelity I got to experience on my own laptop because of the open PC beta... But I was so joyous about the notion of playing with my friends again (all of which previously played on PS4 and all of which returned for PS4 again) that I went ahead and bought the PS4 version. Well, I get to play with my friends, but all of us are like "well this feels like we're just playing Taken King again -- and I mean, I'm having a good time but is this really it? Are we just going through the same old paces again?"
And the answer is yeah... Yeah we are.
And I feel really ambivalent about it.
So I'm scaling back my PS4 play and saving as much willpower to basically just play some more Destiny for the PC release, because rather than the 6-7 month love I had for Taken King, it's feeling like the samesy vibe of this game is gonna wear off on me just a month or two after I really get established, and I've already cleared everything that stood to feel truly new and unique about Destiny 2 -- the campaign and it's altering of the stakes of the Destiny universe. Otherwise, same old grind is just laid out before me, with some variations here and there, though they don't quite add up to a whole sense of freshness. It's not a bad game, but it does seem to end up being the "worst" possible delivery of what I'd still consider fun and playable as a whole package.
That said, I have loved Destiny since Taken King's content and systems revamp, but I almost entirely agree with him on Destiny 2. Furthermore, that makes me excited to continue play into Destiny 2, as my starting opinion on Destiny probably starts much higher than AJ's due to my love of the games since Taken King, but I don't feel like a single thing he says isn't wrong. Worst acceptable scenario for Destiny 2 was it just feeling like the next huge Taken King style content delivery, and while it's actually a bit bigger than Taken King, it still feels almost too familiar. I even dropped playing my favorite class, The Hunter, because I didn't feel like the various tweaks to its three subclasses amounted to much of a difference to continue my intrigue.
The new lighting engine seems to do really weird things to the way my character looks, and one time shaders being a thing now makes me feel a lot less fondly about my character, too. No new subclasses, though a few got reasonably big retoolings (though, again, not really on my favorite class -- the Hunter). No new classes. No new customization options for characters. All compounded on top of the inevitability that expansion purchases will be essentially REQUIRED to continue any sense of progression, even if you're still getting caught up in older content, with past Nightfall and other existing content lockouts for people who didn't buy.
Yeah, it's more Destiny, and that's fine... but with a big old 2 slapped on it, and with the sense of newness fading with the 10 hours it takes to complete the campaign before you're thrown into the same old grind that yields pretty much the same pace of gameplay and accomplishment creep... Well, alright. It's a game that ideally resonates because of its draw of perpetual play, but everything seems to feel so familiar that perpetual play seems a lot more shortsighted for me going in. It's why I've stopped playing my PS4 copy, because my heart was set on the PC version when it was announced, affirmed by the stellar performance and great visual fidelity I got to experience on my own laptop because of the open PC beta... But I was so joyous about the notion of playing with my friends again (all of which previously played on PS4 and all of which returned for PS4 again) that I went ahead and bought the PS4 version. Well, I get to play with my friends, but all of us are like "well this feels like we're just playing Taken King again -- and I mean, I'm having a good time but is this really it? Are we just going through the same old paces again?"
And the answer is yeah... Yeah we are.
And I feel really ambivalent about it.
So I'm scaling back my PS4 play and saving as much willpower to basically just play some more Destiny for the PC release, because rather than the 6-7 month love I had for Taken King, it's feeling like the samesy vibe of this game is gonna wear off on me just a month or two after I really get established, and I've already cleared everything that stood to feel truly new and unique about Destiny 2 -- the campaign and it's altering of the stakes of the Destiny universe. Otherwise, same old grind is just laid out before me, with some variations here and there, though they don't quite add up to a whole sense of freshness. It's not a bad game, but it does seem to end up being the "worst" possible delivery of what I'd still consider fun and playable as a whole package.
Ok I don't know the sales figures ,but aren't they mainly free to play?
Anyway I don't hear many stories about them being massive games with huge concurrent online playerbase .
But there certainly MMOs from what I know . Cos I know the mechanics of an MMO. Look at those games , compare to destiny . Come back to me on the basics of what an MMO is
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Took a break over summer from Angry Reviews since they require a lot of time and work.
Good review as always from Angry Joe.
And what a shock Destiny 2 has the same problems as Destiny 1! TOO MUCH FUCKING ACTIVISION in this game that ruins everything. I´m so sick of this cooperate lets-think-about-new-ways-how-we-get-even-mooore-money-from-the-player behavior that are so obviously and gross in their games. The ad campaign alone for D2 .. Jesus Christ. How can it get even more embarrassing? Never saw any ad for D2 but those small glimpse in the AJ review .. I would NOT buy this game after seeing that shit.
But these are only the things that surrounding the game. What is with the game itself? Well, of course Bungie couldn´t get enough time from Activision to put out a polished and more in depth successor so they use what they already have and put a new paint on it. Yeah how awesome is that!!
The most frustrating part of all this however is that Destiny is a damn fun game and I really wanted to like it. But Bungie and Activision doing everything in their power that I stay wide away from it. And so I will. What a shame...
And what a shock Destiny 2 has the same problems as Destiny 1! TOO MUCH FUCKING ACTIVISION in this game that ruins everything. I´m so sick of this cooperate lets-think-about-new-ways-how-we-get-even-mooore-money-from-the-player behavior that are so obviously and gross in their games. The ad campaign alone for D2 .. Jesus Christ. How can it get even more embarrassing? Never saw any ad for D2 but those small glimpse in the AJ review .. I would NOT buy this game after seeing that shit.
But these are only the things that surrounding the game. What is with the game itself? Well, of course Bungie couldn´t get enough time from Activision to put out a polished and more in depth successor so they use what they already have and put a new paint on it. Yeah how awesome is that!!
The most frustrating part of all this however is that Destiny is a damn fun game and I really wanted to like it. But Bungie and Activision doing everything in their power that I stay wide away from it. And so I will. What a shame...
