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[Strakt]

I never said people can't or shouldn't enjoy it. Let's not pretend the flaws don't exist though. I experienced the same defensive nature with the first game from fans and that game was clearly very flawed.

Flaws do exist for sure.. not denying that. Just replying to the part where you said "Destiny seems to be one of those AAA franchises where mediocrity is deemed acceptable and I'll never understand why."

You're assumption is that people playing the game and enjoying it deem it mediocre. No game is perfect.. there is always room for improvement. The first game was a mess, but this is a HUGE step up from that so lets just leave it at that.

 

[tci]

i don't think anyone on the raid train really cares about what score he gave the game because his score is subjective and entirely opinion based.

i'm focusing on the raid because that's the part of his review that i took issue with. you acknowledge that the review is to help people yet to purchase the game help make a decision on whether or not they want to, so transparency and clarity are both relevant in that regard. if someone that really liked their first experience with vault of glass but stepped away for any number of reasons was really looking for opinions on the new raid to jump back in to destiny 2, and they saw this review, it wouldn't be outrageous that "his" views on the raid put them off of a purchase. if he didn't play the raid, but presents his opinion like he did, that's misleading and some people could miss out because of it.

That is fine, and understandable. I am just saying that it is weird that people are jumping to conclusions without knowing any facts.

If it is the case that he did not play the raid and is misleading his viewers, shame on him. Then he should edit out that part of his review. Although it should not affect his score at all, based on the current review.

 

[norm9]

There is no need to grind at all. You can hit the required level for the Raid by just doing all the stuff and milestones,

I dunno. I'm doing public events, a patrol here and there, crucible, and a few strikes. Starting to feel like a grind when the numbers/gear no longer go up like they did from 1-20. Still pretty fun, but feels grindy to me enough that I'm not sure my dude will ever have the gear to get up to 260.

 

[Strakt]

That is fine, and understandable. I am just saying that it is weird that people are jumping to conclusions without knowing any facts.

If it is the case that he did not play the raid and is misleading his viewers, shame on him. Then he should edit out that part of his review. Although it should not affect his score at all, based on the current review.

Honestly.. its his own fault. People wouldn't jump to conclusions if he actually put some effort into the raid portion of his review. If he played it, then he should of put some clips of him playing it while commenting on the different aspects of the raid. If he didn't play it, then he should of just removed it all together.

 

[Zemm]

That was exactly my reaction when I finished Destiny 2

Haha this is a great gif

 

[Truant]

I dunno. I'm doing public events, a patrol here and there, crucible, and a few strikes. Starting to feel like a grind when the numbers/gear no longer go up like they did from 1-20. Still pretty fun, but feels grindy to me enough that I'm not sure my dude will ever have the gear to get up to 260.

I got to 265 easily by just doing campaign + public events. Haven't even done a single Crucible match or a strike (saving them for the PC version).

 

[tci]

Honestly.. its his own fault. People wouldn't jump to conclusions if he actually put some effort into the raid portion of his review. If he played it, then he should of put some clips of him playing it while commenting on the different aspects of the raid. If he didn't play it, then he should of just removed it all together.

I agree. It was the weakest part of the review.

 

[clarknova156]

Lots of people won't ever even touch the raid portion due to the need for grinding, so not sure how that portion discredits all the other valid points about story, dlc,etc

Because he rants about it for 7 minutes and included a video of his friend playing it. Meanwhile he is 240 light and never raided. So we know he A) Never actually did the raid himself B) Talks about it as if he did. That's a pretty lousy way to review a part of the game no? Would you like it from on if all reviewers ranted about a big part of a game but didn't actually play it and instead in the most lazy way possible just included a clip of a friend who did it? Joe has a large community of people that could have easily helped him get to 270+ and helped him raid. Instead he choose not to yet talked at length as if he did.

This lowers my opinion on what he thinks of this game and shows he wasn't willing to put in the time to fully play it. You can't just brush by the fact that he did this. Destiny simply isn't for Joe and will likely never be. But at least play the part of the game you plan to rant on, it helps establish validity to your opinion.

 

[KillerIsJed]

The day I watch a 45 minute video review, is the day someone makes a mini-doc about my life.

If you're a decent reader, you could easily read every review of the game in your language and check out a few videos and streams in that time.

Also, if I were to have reviewed this game, I'd be leaning towards a 9/10. One of the best FPS I've ever played, if not THE best I've ever played, but not w/o its flaws.

As far as the raid/grind content goes, I've not even done all the adventures, and I'm already power level 285, with the raid being rated at 280. I don't get why ppl think there is a grind when there is a ton of content to do with lots of actual lore and story contained in each. I've not done anything multiple times other than the strikes to help out a friend and to get a special weapon.

Everyone can have their opinion though, in the grand scheme of things none of this matters. #Nihilism

 

[norm9]

I got to 265 easily by just doing campaign + public events. Haven't even done a single Crucible match or a strike (saving them for the PC version).

Hmm. I must have real bad luck then with gear/weapon drops then.

OT- love the dichotomy of Joe loving the music in the first two chapters and then the complaints about it later when the building crescendo of string instruments punctuates walking around doing nothing special.

I felt the same way. Impressed at the start, and weirded out by what the music wants to emphasize in the middle and towards the end when I was just hopping around trying to escape the map.

 

[KageMaru]

Link?? I can't seem to find one and this is something I gotta see for myself lol.

Here's the quote I was thinking of:

GC: Why are there only new sub-classes and not entirely new classes? Surely the fact that you’re resetting everyone to zero gives the perfect opportunity to add to and change things more substantially?

DA: It’s something that’s come up in conversation, but we’ve never really… when we think about the game we look at where do we feel like we have an area to grow? We feel like the Titan, Hunter, and Warlock… there’s still new ways to play those classes that we can explore.

And when you look at the community that exists around the game, up to this point, and you see the attachment that they have to those. You see pictures of people on the Internet who have the logos tattooed on their bodies and you think, ‘This is something that people really have a deep connection to’.

GC: Okay, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t have added more classes, I’m not suggesting you remove the ones you’ve already got.

DA: Like, it’s interesting for me as a player. I could’ve played a Hunter since day one, and whenever I look at some of the new sub-classes I’m like, maybe I should change to a Warlock. And then I have like this weird twinge where I’m like, ‘But I’m a Hunter, I can’t do that!’

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/22/desti...ple-really-have-a-deep-connection-to-6728216/

Flaws do exist for sure.. not denying that. Just replying to the part where you said "Destiny seems to be one of those AAA franchises where mediocrity is deemed acceptable and I'll never understand why."

You're assumption is that people playing the game and enjoying it deem it mediocre. No game is perfect.. there is always room for improvement. The first game was a mess, but this is a HUGE step up from that so lets just leave it at that.

No I'm not assuming that people playing it deem it mediocre. It can be a step up but still mediocre. We're talking about a piss easy campaign with lacking AI and cliché story. Many would expect more from a big budget title that has been development for years. If this were a game released by a no name developer, without the hype, there's a good chance it wouldn't be received as well.

 

[LNBL]

Why is there so much focus on the raid and if he finished it or not. It would not affect the overall impression of the game what so ever. It is like 1% of the content. If he loved or hated the raid, how would that affect the score at all? It makes no sense.

Seems some are just looking for some excuses for hating on Joe for giving his honest opinion. So what if he gave the game 6/10. It doesn't matter at all. Did you like it? If so, great! And if you do not agree on it, it is fine. At least explain why in a proper way. Not name calling or acting like kids.

It's like people owning the game have to make sure it is great to justify their purchase. The review is not for you. It is for the consumers that is planning to buy the game. This thread is almost embarrassingly bad.

Wait the raid is 1% of the game? And you call the thread embarrassingly bad, while claiming something you don't seem to have any knowledge about as proved by that comment

I usually (almost every time) agree with Joe's reviews and their score, but he missed the mark on this one imo

 

[Interficium]

I think it's pretty funny that he makes a huge fucking production about how he played the raid (literally says "I played it!" before cutting to his buddies stream footage for the next seven minutes while ranting) this time because he got "death threats" for not completing the raid before his D1 review, along with tweeting about how he needs more raid time.

Then he didn't even attempt it.

For a guy who has made a career out of exposing big publishers for lies, the ease in which he himself lies (particularly for something he didn't even NEED to lie about) is fascinating.

 

[120v]

i'm holding out for PC so can't really speak definitively on the game yet... but i love destiny, destiny 2 will more than likely be an 8/10 game for me at the very very least

yet i can totally understand why it's a medicore game for some. it's a huge time investment, story is generic as a sci fi can get, PvE can be really hit or miss, and from the looks of it Activision/bungie are taking the seedier route of shaking you down past your $60 entry price + expansions

i guess a lot of contention is over people expecting bungie to reinvent the wheel on this one but it's essentially Moar Destiny. fans will eat it up, non fans won't be swayed and people who missed out the first time or put it down early... may like it, may not. i think the info is all there and available to you whether it's worth your time

i think joe's review is reflective of this, he just veers on the side of destiny not particularly being his thing, and that's fine. 6/10 is actually pretty high in this regard, all things considered
edit: this is ignoring the whole Raid kerfluffle

 

[Orthogonal]

Because he rants about it for 7 minutes and included a video of his friend playing it. Meanwhile he is 240 light and never raided. So we know he A) Never actually did the raid himself B) Talks about it as if he did. That's a pretty lousy way to review a part of the game no? Would you like it from on if all reviewers ranted about a big part of a game but didn't actually play it and instead in the most lazy way possible just included a clip of a friend who did it? Joe has a large community of people that could have easily helped him get to 270+ and helped him raid. Instead he choose not to yet talked at length as if he did.

This lowers my opinion on what he thinks of this game and shows he wasn't willing to put in the time to fully play it. You can't just brush by the fact that he did this. Destiny simply isn't for Joe and will likely never be. But at least play the part of the game you plan to rant on, it helps establish validity to your opinion.

Joe has some explaining to do here. Either do it yourself or be clear that it isnt your content/experience. I think it is fine if he used someone elses feed, but he should be honest about it.

 

[legacyzero]

Calling gamers whiny for talking about shitty DLC (not good DLC like the Witcher, or even Tekken or IJ2), means you're well past sound logic.

And also it seems like you're a Trump supporter too, so that's Strikes 1-3 right there.



.....Bruh where the hell am I??? I'm starting to think Activision is cutting checks.

1)-it's almost as if people like different types of DLC in different ways. It's subjective, and an individual doesn't get to say what is, and isn't good DLC for the masses. People spending millions on this type of DLC proves that. It's isn't "anti consumer." It's anti-entitlement.

2) Me? A Trump supporter? LMAOOOO you should check my post history 😂😂

3) I'm not sure you should compare logic with me when you baseslessly called me a MAGA clown, compared people spending money on what they CHOSE to moronic voters, and saying their purchases are "against their interests" as if you get to decide that, and then accusing posters of being Acti-bliz astroturfers

the issue is that destiny 2 does microtransactions wrong.

Other major AAA games make post launch content free as a compromise for adding loot boxes (gears 4, halo 5, overwatch, battlefront 2, titanfall 2, uncharted 4, future battlefield games)

Destiny doesn't do this, they add loot boxes but still want people to pay a ton of money for future content. It's stupid and worth pointing out.

No, I agree with you. I shat all over Destiny 1 On Twitter for locking people out of content they've already purchased and own because they don't own Rise of Iron. I went to go play it a few weeks ago, and I was limited to only death match. Was SO pissed.

 

[Sailent]

It's a pretty shitty DLC, but that being said, I'm comparing Witcher 3 DLC to this. That's why this DLC feels like crap.

Comparisons are wack, yo.

 

[tci]

Wait the raid is 1% of the game? And you call the thread embarrassingly bad, while claiming something you don't seem to have any knowledge about as proved by that comment

I wrote; like 1% of the game. Do you really want to nit pick here. The raid is only a small part of the game. And many people never even touch them. The world first was done in like 5,5h. Next time they will likely push that to half that. So yes, it is marginal content compared to the rest of the game. Also not essential for its enjoyment.

 

[SapientWolf]

Disagree. Destiny's shooting mechanics are better than all of these.

Wolfenstein has FEAR tier gunplay. The only game topping that is maybe Rainbow 6.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

I was definitely taken aback at how similar Destiny 2 is to the original. It's a bit better and more streamlined, but it's hard not feel kinda meh about no new classes, pretty much all of the same enemies... so much is the same.

I'm hoping that they put a lot of foundational work on this game, sort of like a soft reboot that will let them add on content quicker going forward.

 

[phanphare]

The day I watch a 45 minute video review, is the day someone makes a mini-doc about my life.

If you're a decent reader, you could easily read every review of the game in your language and check out a few videos and streams in that time.

Also, if I were to have reviewed this game, I'd be leaning towards a 9/10. One of the best FPS I've ever played, if not THE best I've ever played, but not w/o its flaws.

As far as the raid/grind content goes, I've not even done all the adventures, and I'm already power level 285, with the raid being rated at 280. I don't get why ppl think there is a grind when there is a ton of content to do with lots of actual lore and story contained in each. I've not done anything multiple times other than the strikes to help out a friend and to get a special weapon.

Everyone can have their opinion though, in the grand scheme of things none of this matters. #Nihilism

why are you posting in a thread solely about a thing that you would never watch?

 

[Interficium]

I wrote; like 1% of the game. Do you really want to nit pick here. The raid is only a small part of the game. And many people never even touch them. The world first was done in like 5,5h. Next time they will likely push that to half that. So yes, it is marginal content compared to the rest of the game. Also not essential for its enjoyment.

Then why lie about something so non-essential?

 

[slosherbomb]

This is the review that swayed me lol

 

[tci]

Then why lie about something so non-essential?

Why not read the thread?

 

[Maximo]

I think it would break peoples minds if you told them not every Reviewer of MMO's beat ever Raid.

 

[Interficium]

Why not read the thread?

If you can't answer, ask another question! Brilliant.

I think it would break peoples minds if you told them not every Reviewer of MMO's beat ever Raid.

That's not the issue here.

 

[Wallach]

I think it would break peoples minds if you told them not every Reviewer of MMO's beat ever Raid.

I'm not sure people are okay with reviewiers lying about whether they played it at all, though. Which looks like the case here.

 

[Strakt]

I think it would break peoples minds if you told them not every Reviewer of MMO's beat ever Raid.

Guess you didn't read the actual issue at hand

 

[ViviOggi]

1)-it's almost as if people like different types of DLC in different ways. It's subjective, and an individual doesn't get to say what is, and isn't good DLC for the masses. People spending millions on this type of DLC proves that. It's isn't "anti consumer." It's anti-entitlement.

Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Brandon F]

why are you posting in a thread solely about a thing that you would never watch?

Because this particular review score does not validate his own opinion and therefore he just HAD to think up some pithy excuse to discredit criticism he is literally admitting to being naive against.

I mean it makes total sense right?

 

[Dynasty8]

Even with him not playing the raid, I still think he makes plenty of valid points. Who knows, maybe him and a friend took turns playing. Still I don't see an issue with his criticisms of the game. Others have highlighted similar issues. Destiny seems to be one of those AAA franchises where mediocrity is deemed acceptable and I'll never understand why.

Edit:



That and because of the emotional connection players apparently had with the classes.



You're talking about a demographic of consumers that buys annual CoD titles in the tens of millions. Think about that for a second.

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

 

[RustyNails]

Obligatory: Why does this guy get his own thread?

This stuff should be bannable. No one is asking you to click.

 

[Killer Queen]

This stuff should be bannable. No one is asking you to click.

It was a joke dude

 

[phanphare]

This stuff should be bannable. No one is asking you to click.

he was clearly poking fun at people who post shit like that not actually expressing that sentiment himself

hence the "obligatory" because it happens in every angry joe thread

 

[Heavy_D206]

Destiny 1 was boring and Destiny 2 is slightly less boring. It's cool that a lot of people are enjoying it, but I just can't get into it.

 

[Gator86]

1)-it's almost as if people like different types of DLC in different ways. It's subjective, and an individual doesn't get to say what is, and isn't good DLC for the masses. People spending millions on this type of DLC proves that. It's isn't "anti consumer." It's anti-entitlement.

2) Me? A Trump supporter? LMAOOOO you should check my post history 😂😂

3) I'm not sure you should compare logic with me when you baseslessly called me a MAGA clown, compared people spending money on what they CHOSE to moronic voters, and saying their purchases are "against their interests" as if you get to decide that, and then accusing posters of being Acti-bliz astroturfers


No, I agree with you. I shat all over Destiny 1 On Twitter for locking people out of content they've already purchased and own because they don't own Rise of Iron. I went to go play it a few weeks ago, and I was limited to only death match. Was SO pissed.

Jesus Christ, Paul Ryan just finished.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

This stuff should be bannable. No one is asking you to click.

Don't you think the use of the word 'obligatory' is a HUGE contextual clue?

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Angryjoe and Jim sterling are the only reviews that matter

Giant bomb is a good site though too

 

[pompidu]

Lmao you haven't even played it and are calling it mediocre? Good job, man.

Calling the raid 1% of content is ridiculous.

The fact that Joe spends a good portion of the review bitching about content he never touched is also silly. Not a good look.

I've seen enough reviews and videos to see that it's just like the first one. The only thing they did was revamp the story; and stuff I didn't like, remained largely the same, from what I have saw. Looks mediocre to me, doesn't mean it is to everyone else.

 

[Wagram]

So much talk about what % a raid counts as.

Has it really come down to this?

 

[KageMaru]

I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.

How so? The CoD series does continue to sell millions year after year but that doesn't make them great games. I don't think it's accurate to measure quality based on how many people buy a game and that was my point.

 

[Night Angel]

How so? The CoD series does continue to sell millions year after year but that doesn't make them great games. I don't think it's accurate to measure quality based on how many people buy a game and that was my point.

It's equally fallacious to imply that a game selling millions isn't a good game because other games that sell millions aren't good.

 

[Gator86]

So much talk about what % a raid counts as.

Has it really come down to this?

It's a new twist on the "whatever your opinion is based on doesn't count" internet argument.

"I played 2000 hours of Destiny." Sorry, friend, your opinion doesn't count until you've played 2001 hours.

The raids are fun, but not a huge component of the game, and yes, I have played the first 3 raids, burning out by the Machine one, and am at 292 light about to do the new one.

 

[katsais]

Its clear Joe doesn't like Destiny. In fact, he actually reviewed Destiny 2 while streaming it.. Couple notes:

1) During cutscenes, he would call out donations + make jokes and not even pay attention to the story

2) Complained that the game was too hard in areas where it said "Re-spawning Restricted"

3) Doesn't use any of the movement abilities that Bungie actually gives you, but instead stands still and shoots and misses half the shots THEN calls the game boring

Here are some clips of his stream:

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObservantTalentedKeyboardPJSalt
https://clips.twitch.tv/EndearingPiercingRatGingerPower
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrazySpookyOrcaRaccAttack
https://clips.twitch.tv/HardBlueScorpionDuDudu
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyCovertLasagnaStoneLightning


I respect his review, but do I take it seriously? Hell no. He was complaining about the game almost the first or second mission in. Its clear Destiny isn't for him and thats cool. Not saying destiny is a 10/10 for me, but its definitely higher than a 6 and a huge step up from the first one.

He should stick to movie reviews IMO.

LoLz...what is this? Players can't complain? Have opinions?

He has very valid points...D2 is far from perfect. There are three type of people that usually defend Destiny no matter what...

1) blind hard-core fans
2) YTbers/streamers that make profit from Destiny
3) Bungie employees

I loved Destiny 1 (despite the grind, lack of story, shitty PvP). Destiny feels like Destiny 1 rebooted (just as AJ mentioned). It is not a masterpiece, it is not the shooter of this gen...it's just a fun, casual game with gambling mechanics for casuals (not competitive, let's not kid ourselves). For $50, I'm happy with D2 for what it is.

 

[KageMaru]

It's equally fallacious to imply that a game selling millions isn't a good game because other games that sell millions aren't good.

I never implied that though. I'm not the one who tried to dismiss valid criticism by pointing out the millions playing the game. That's the only reason I made the original comment.

 

[Tomeru]

His reviews are just like him: full of fluff, devoid of meaning, and worst of all; stuck in last decade thinking.

 

[RichiRamjag]

LoLz...what is this? Players can't complain? Have opinions?

He has very valid points...D2 is far from perfect. There are three type of people that usually defend Destiny no matter what...

1) blind hard-core fans
2) YTbers/streamers that make profit from Destiny
3) Bungie employees

I loved Destiny 1 (despite the grind, lack of story, shitty PvP). Destiny feels like Destiny 1 rebooted (just as AJ mentioned). It is not a masterpiece, it is not the shooter of this gen...it's just a fun, casual game with gambling mechanics for casuals (not competitive, let's not kid ourselves). For $50, I'm happy with D2 for what it is.

That poster just wants to constantly try to put down the review and negative opinions over and over while continually saying it’s fine that people may not like the game. The perfect example of your first bullet point.

 

[Night Angel]

I never implied that though. I'm not the one who tried to dismiss valid criticism by pointing out the millions playing the game. That's the only reason I made the original comment.

Maybe not you, but certainly others. "This is the same crowd that buys CoD" type comments. Shit is dumb. Not that I was accusing you of doing so, just pointing out the trend on the other end.

 

[Maximo]

So much talk about what % a raid counts as.

Has it really come down to this?

Its come down to some people who are annoyed others don't agree his "opinion are wrong" are dragging up clips of him playing casually on stream and anything they can to try and invalidate his opinion and a arbitrary score that doesn't mean anything, and the personal attacks for good messure.

 

[KageMaru]

Maybe not you, but certainly others. "This is the same crowd that buys CoD" type comments. Shit is dumb. Not that I was accusing you of doing so, just pointing out the trend on the other end.

I honestly didn't realize there was a trend of people making that comment. We can look at another game on the flip side. Ark sold 9+ million copies with plenty of people happily playing, myself included, but I would never point to the sales and say it's an indication to the quality of the game.