If I was a blind hardcore fan, I wouldn't criticize the game for its wrongs. I think theres a ton of problems with the game and Bungie could do a lot to improve it. Its far from being perfect but its also not a 6 IMO. I even said I agree with some of Joe's points he makes in the video. Once again, those clips were taken from his review streams on twitch... if you actually sat down and watched his stream, he would complain about how something is so difficult yet can't manage to land a small jump or put his cross hair on the target. Theres a difference between putting down a review and acknowledging the faults with his review... not to mention putting a 7 minute segment in about an aspect of the game he didn't even touch.
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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If I was a blind hardcore fan, I wouldn't criticize the game for its wrongs. I think theres a ton of problems with the game and Bungie could do a lot to improve it. Its far from being perfect but its also not a 6 IMO. I even said I agree with some of Joe's points he makes in the video. Once again, those clips were taken from his review streams on twitch... if you actually sat down and watched his stream, he would complain about how something is so difficult yet can't manage to land a small jump or put his cross hair on the target. Theres a difference between putting down a review and acknowledging the faults with his review... not to mention putting a 7 minute segment in about an aspect of the game he didn't even touch.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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You forgot the hideous leather jacket
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That was exactly my reaction when I finished Destiny 2
"Finished" this is exactly the problem I have. What does that even mean? Have you gone flawless? Have you done the raid? Like what does that even mean in a game like Destiny?
Yes the comparison you just made is indeed....wack...yo.
The problem isn't with review scores. The issue is defensive nerds who can't accept something they like getting a score "less than it deserves."
Even if some ultimate authority did away with review scores, people would still get upset and nitpick lines from the review. Remember embarrassing shit like people breaking down Giantbomb vids frame by frame in Quantum Break to prove their review was fraudulent?
Even without review scores, defense force enlistees would find something to wage war against.
Xplatformer
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That's exactly what it sounds like, and the poster still didn't express why Joe is wrong for expecting better from a development company with the resources Bungie/Activision have.
Nintendo's Witch
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I find this guy highly entertaining tbh
Youth Crew
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Watch the review?
he says in the review
I luckily, or maybe regrettably, missed that fiasco. Either way it sounds interesting to say the least lol
This is what we call a discussion thread. People discuss the video being posted.You wanted this thread to occur with every post saying "SICK video joe!!! I agree with your score 100%!!! You're my favorite reviewer!!!". Not saying people should attack him personally.. but people should be able to post in here disagreeing with him, pointing out flaws from his review stream and his review video. I'm sure Angry Joe can handle criticism without you defending him.
Night Angel
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Funny, I think posts like yours are what's wrong with the thread.
Interficium
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Your dude Joe straight up lied to your face, on video, in order to further his narrative. That's actual "embarrassing shit."
Niceguydan8
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Well, sure, but certain posts in here aren't exactly useful or interesting discussion. For example...
That's not really discussion about the relevant topic. That's just kind of garbage.
You're pulling a quote from a question the guy asked which I further explained almost 2 pages later. The way he worded it was simply a misunderstanding to me and I pointed that as well and said "my b". Its kinda hypocritical since you literally just pulled a useless quote from something from almost 10+ pages ago. Surprised you went through all that trouble just to look for it... dedication homie.
Some Nobody
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Destiny's not special. Finished in this game means the same as every other game. You finished the campaign.
PapaGreg95
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Then again his 7 minute rant was more about how the Raid barely gave you any rewards which is the common complaint for the community.
How do you know the story was "god awful" and with nothing redeeming at all if you skipped as much as you could?
WrenchNinja
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I thought the first Destiny was pretty bad. Going by the review, not a lot has changed besides being slightly more coherent.
Wait, is Joe my dude now? What was his lie again? What narrative is he trying to push? Even using the phrase "narrative" implies he has some sinister agenda here.
In my first post in this thread I said even though I think a lot of his points are accurate, I've enjoyed the shit out of D2. You're saying the personal attacks against Joe here aren't embarrassing? Come on.
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Destiny's not special. Finished in this game means the same as every other game. You finished the campaign.
If you believe that then CLEARLY the game is not for you. Finishing the campaign is when the game STARTS.
Destiny is not a game that "finishes" with the campaign. The end of campaign is only the end of the introduction. You dont have any of the good gear (which is what makes the gameplay exciting), you haven't experienced the Nightfalls with its modifiers, or the sweatiness of Trials (if PvP is your thing). You don't even have the final subclass unlocked by that time on a usual playthrough and there are two more classes. Raid is also not 1% of the game as some have suggested it's the highest level end game content in a game that is defined by its end game content.
You cannot really judge a game based around end game content if you don't experience the end game...much less pass critical opinion on them.
I love Destiny, but it has its problems. However it's also been the best value for money for me in a long time because I've spent hundreds if not thousands of hours playing it. I enjoy the shooting and gameplay, I enjoy playing it with other people. What more does a game needs to be a good game?
You cannot really judge a game based around end game content if you don't experience the end game...much less pass critical opinion on them.
I love Destiny, but it has its problems. However it's also been the best value for money for me in a long time because I've spent hundreds if not thousands of hours playing it. I enjoy the shooting and gameplay, I enjoy playing it with other people. What more does a game needs to be a good game?
PapaGreg95
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Because if the story doesn't grab you then its kind of a weak story
Valid points, and just like everybody else, it's simply an opinion (which we are all entitled to). As someone who played the beta, I found nothing new to make me want to buy this + the obligatory (after the first addon is released anyways) expansion pass. However, I feel those who enjoyed the first would love the second.
I really wish I could get into it as I feel this (as well as D1) has a fairly dedicated community.
I really wish I could get into it as I feel this (as well as D1) has a fairly dedicated community.
There's a difference between what you just said (the story didn't grab me in the beginning) and what he said (the story is god awful and has zero redeeming factor).
You can't have an opinion that strong whether it's negative or positive if you are literally skipping most of the cut scenes.
Naudyboy16
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Why are people so bent out of shape regarding the score. Who cares!? In his opinion the game is a 6, no one can tell him his opinion is wrong. He even gave us a kudos with a 45 minute video on why he gave it what he gave it. His reasoning falls in line with the score he gave it.
People are so up their own ass. But that's the internet.
This line of thinking baffles me. So you're saying everything that leads up to the end game content shouldn't be judged or discussed, "because the real game doesn't start until the end game?" That's about 15-30 hours of content that then doesn't matter? If that's the case then why give us that boring content at all? They made the game and EVERY facet of it is considered not just the end game stuff.
I played vanilla Destiny and never did a raid because after beating that shell of a game, I decided i didn't want to return to that world. So my opinion of Destiny is then invalid even though I played what they shipped on that disc?
People are so up their own ass. But that's the internet.
This line of thinking baffles me. So you're saying everything that leads up to the end game content shouldn't be judged or discussed, "because the real game doesn't start until the end game?" That's about 15-30 hours of content that then doesn't matter? If that's the case then why give us that boring content at all? They made the game and EVERY facet of it is considered not just the end game stuff.
I played vanilla Destiny and never did a raid because after beating that shell of a game, I decided i didn't want to return to that world. So my opinion of Destiny is then invalid even though I played what they shipped on that disc?
The REAL Destiny starts here.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Yo, this is accurate. I've got no intention of buying D2 but you can't insult any game's story if you're skipping through most of it.
PapaGreg95
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I mean could't he watch the cutscenes on youtube, even then he seems to be mostly spot on when it comes to the story aspect of the game what with the Darkness making an appearance at the end of the game
The problem I have with the game's single player - which Joe touched on - was the wildly varying tone of the game. The opening few hours have a very serious tone, especially in the music - whereas as the game progresses the characterization shifted to a light hearted, sarcastic tone. It didn't fit with the early setup, and turned the whole thing into something of a farce - which would have been fine had they ran with it out the gate.
It never gelled for me at all, combined with the continuous out-of-nowhere mcguffins (the shard, the almighty, characters going to different planets for no reason, 'destroy this enemy or the planet will implode...') and numerous minor and major plot holes (... you're the only one with light powers, except for everyone else around you). It just felt so disjointed, like they went down this serious path and halfway through development realized it just wasn't working so decided to ham it up.
It never gelled for me at all, combined with the continuous out-of-nowhere mcguffins (the shard, the almighty, characters going to different planets for no reason, 'destroy this enemy or the planet will implode...') and numerous minor and major plot holes (... you're the only one with light powers, except for everyone else around you). It just felt so disjointed, like they went down this serious path and halfway through development realized it just wasn't working so decided to ham it up.
clarknova156
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Despite (at least it seems very much so for now) him not actually playing the raid I fully agree. The raid gear is shit. The exotic shotgun you can get after 100 encounters is great for PvP but otherwise it's not good. The token system is dumb. I've always hated the idea of a token system and now it's the end game currency. There are only a few items worth doing the raid for. It's a fun , complicated and sometimes unfair raid full of bugs/glitches and the rewards are just not worthwhile for the effort. It's very PUG unfriendly as well.
Those complaints are solid. VoG and Kingsfall are the best raids so far.
ByWatterson
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If one completely misunderstands the art form of games, sure.
Video game stories are not about a traditional (e.g. literature/film) narrative by itself. They're about living that narrative as, typically, the protagonist, experiencing those moments that, if consumed in a film, may not amount to much, but which in a game can be monumentally inspiring and affecting.
No, Destiny 2's story is not an all-timer, but skipping and later watching cutscenes (or in AJ's case, ignoring them as they play) that provide contemporaneous context and motivation for the player to exercise agency during the gameplay is a bit like only listening to the music of a song without digesting the lyrics, or tuning out during a film's dialogue. Sure, you can get the gist, but is the gist a good enough foundation upon which to base a FORTY-FIVE MINUTE review?
ByWatterson
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Oof.
PapaGreg95
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No offense but this isn't Dark Souls, Bioshock, Bastion, or hell even Prey where the story is not only good but also adds to the gameplay this is Destiny 2 where the story is medicore so him paying attention to the cutscenes isn't going to add agency to his gaming experience. Hell I remeber playing Fallout 4 and despite my character's motivation is saving her son it didn't stop me from dicking around in the commonwealth
ByWatterson
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The point is that he cannot possibly know that unless he actually watches the story scenes. Yours is a reasonable take, but his cannot be an informed review on this particular point. One cannot judge and review what he hasn't actually experienced.
It's like a priest giving out marriage advice.
CartridgeBlower
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Holy shit dude doesn't like the game, explains why in a 45 minute video review, yet you still keep trying to invalidate it in some twisted crusade and even dig up his twitch account highlights.
Just stop. You're coming off like a fucking viral marketer, do you even realize that?
CountAntonius
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Two communities:
One likes destiny
One that doesn't
I don't think I've ever seen a game more defended or attacked than this series. One that generally isn't considered a bad game(Speaking of 2).
I didnt dig up any clips actually, these are all posted elsewhere that I found interesting.. sorry to burst your bubble. If a reviewer is going to live stream the process of how he reviews the game, expect people to make clips of what they don't like.
You're really reaching here.
TheTylerDurden
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If this guy put half as much effort into actually playing and reviewing the game with care and thought as he does the actual production of his videos, he'd be a voice I respect.
When you review the game by playing it with your 'army' of 'angry' bros who just can't wait to hear your next bit of nasty sarcasm, you're already putting yourself in a toxic environment and you're no longer able to judge dispassionately.
When you review the game by playing it with your 'army' of 'angry' bros who just can't wait to hear your next bit of nasty sarcasm, you're already putting yourself in a toxic environment and you're no longer able to judge dispassionately.
RichiRamjag
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Youre the top poster in the topic and its mostly you trying to discredit angry joe and anyone else who disagrees. The previous posters bubble hasnt burst because hes not wrong. Thats exactly how you come across right now.
slosherbomb
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If anything this review convinced me to go buy Destiny 1
PapaGreg95
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How, people watch cutscenes all the time
ByWatterson
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This is my general opinion of Joe, which is a shame, because he clearly knows games and can sometimes offer really interesting insight. But, when he tries primarily to entertain, rather than inform, he misses the mark.