Theres a bunch of people who agree with Joe's score and thats fine. I didn't discredit them or Joe. Theres also a bunch of people who come in and speak as if they're speaking for the whole community saying the game is average and thats where I come in and provide actual facts. The clips I posted.. they aren't mine, but at least people should know the effort that went in to reviewing SOME aspects of the game. I don't disagree with joe's entire video, but I do disagree with some and I've explained many times on why. So instead of relying on heavy assumptions, you should actually take some time to research some facts. Every post I see from you is you being salty towards me ... lol. Either way I watch a lot of angry joe reviews whether i play the game or not, and while i disagree with a lot of them, I do agree with some of them.. this just ain't one.
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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Theres a bunch of people who agree with Joe's score and thats fine. I didn't discredit them or Joe. Theres also a bunch of people who come in and speak as if they're speaking for the whole community saying the game is average and thats where I come in and provide actual facts. The clips I posted.. they aren't mine, but at least people should know the effort that went in to reviewing SOME aspects of the game. I don't disagree with joe's entire video, but I do disagree with some and I've explained many times on why. So instead of relying on heavy assumptions, you should actually take some time to research some facts. Every post I see from you is you being salty towards me ... lol. Either way I watch a lot of angry joe reviews whether i play the game or not, and while i disagree with a lot of them, I do agree with some of them.. this just ain't one.
I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you over something so silly.
No, I don't think someone who got Destiny 2 at launch decided to watch the story on YouTube before playing it so that he could know whether or not to skip the cut scenes.
That's dumb.
The person I replied to said something silly that didn't make sense. Not sure why you're defending it.
PapaGreg95
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Well I was thinking he watched it after the game so whatevs I guess
TheTylerDurden
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I totally agree. He's got a ton of experience, he's not a dummy either. But he's wrapped up a bit in his own self-created persona. It IS a shame.
I love angry joes reviews and i dont watch him stream. I also dont watch for his nasty sarcasm. His reviews are usually on point and if he experiences something in the game he usually has a peice of footage to back his claim up.
And just to be clear i have not watched his destiny 2 review because i could give 2 shits about this game. Im talking in general.
Lys Skygge
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Yo what's up with the Failsafe hate on the first page? She's great!
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Her lines and delivery just fall flat to me. I see her as a poor man's GladOS
CartridgeBlower
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Or Claptrap from Borderlands. Too similar.
PapaGreg95
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Funny enough though I remeber Claptrap making me laugh once in the entire series and thats when he said he was going to teabag Handsome Jack's corpse
I thought of Failsafe as a knock off GladOS with failed BLs humor. Guess I'm not the only one.
Yes but this is precisely why Joe's review is great.
He starts off saying "hey if you liked Destiny you will probably love Destiny 2". His review is more for those of us who found Destiny 1 extremely lacking. It was at least possible they had improved it for people like that.
I'm not going to spend time playing a game after the story campaign. I more or less only care about story. And what Joe's review tells me is that Destiny 2 is still not for me. Actually he goes a little bit further than that and says "hey if you're looking for fun loot like in Diablo 3, this may not be it". I think it's 100% fair to complain about getting 2 legendary items after SEVEN hours.
That's fine. But it's silly for others to pretend like everyone loves repetitive grinds or that this somehow invalidates the fact that over 1 million people do seem to enjoy those designs. Personally it's hard to understand why people like that sort of grind but its clear they exist.
It took 7 hours because it was the first day the raid opened. Everyone went in blind not knowing any mechanics. In about 1 to 2 weeks, this raid will probably take 1 to 2 hours. Either way, the game isn't for everyone. The real game begins when the campaign ends thus the grind for loot and becoming stronger begins.
I don't really think it changes my opinion much that over multiple playthroughs it would get shorter. The fact is that any game that does that to you even once is really troubling. Maybe your first time beating a raid should give extra bonus, for example. That's pretty trivial to code in.
It's fine if you want to say the "real game" begins after campaign ends. But another way of saying this is that the story section is nearly worthless. If the "real game" to you is just the grind, then it shouldn't be surprising that people who care about story would rate Destiny 2 quite low.
Destiny 1 was a perfect example of a 4/10 game for me. I paid $14 and felt I only got about 2 hours of fun, then 5-6 hours of boredom. It was probably worth $7 to me. I bet Destiny 2 would be closer to $10, but probably still under $15. Because for me, "the real game" is everything before the grind.
TrumanBurbank
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21 pages for one guy's review.
The Power of Joe.
The Power of Joe.
Yep. He gets under peoples skins like no other game reviewer. It's kinda impressive.
Like if he thinks a game is enjoyable but just OK it irks certain fanbases.
This is arguably true. The story missions are quite a bit better, and there is more content overall, but it's still a grind game. Yes you can do the adventures, but they are still "go here shoot this scan that repeat".
It's definitely a step up from d1, but a lot of the same flaws are in both. ( or virtues depending on your perspective)
Killer Queen
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Joe and Jim
The dream team
10 pages of a one man defense initiative
Conkerkid11
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PapaGreg95
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Uggh yes, in Joe's review scoring system 6/10 is above averge
Killer Queen
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I mean, yeah? It is. But i guess that people are too used to the AAA rating system where being decent enough nets you an 8 out of 10 and anything below a 7 is awful.
News flash, a scale of 10 numbers exists for a reason, so things can be graded
On a full scale
Not between 7 and 10.
Well if you think videogame ratings are the equivalent of school grades, yeah maybe you should.
Conkerkid11
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Then you and others defending the score need to understand that literally no other critic does this.
News flash, regardless of the existence of 10 numbers, only the last 3-5 are generally used. That's just how it is.
Well that's not true
PapaGreg95
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And who cares its how Joe score things what difference does it make if he sees a 6 above averge
Trickster
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So what though?
you're right. from now on every time i mean potato I'm going to use the word purple.
3 out of 5 stars (6/10) is like the definition of "OK"
But games are rated on school grades - how do you people not get it yet? If the game has more than over 35% mistakes it is literally a failed game. That's how scoring games works.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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Yeah, Destiny was a mistake.
I hope Bioware's Anthem turns out being a decent one.
I hope Bioware's Anthem turns out being a decent one.
Super Stardust
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This is perfectThat was exactly my reaction when I finished Destiny 2
Exploratory
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Rofl what are talking about?! What?! Do you complain about not having legendaries 7 hours into World of Warcraft. That is perhaps the most ridiculous assertion I have heard yet.
Yes if you are looking for a contained story based game Destiny is not for you. I could have told you that in a lot less than 45 minutes.
I'm like rereading what you're saying here because that makes literally no sense to me. "I more or less only care about story"....uh yeah so like I originally said his review is for people WHO EXPRESSLY DO NOT ENJOY THE DESIGN OF GAMES LIKE DESTINY. I don't go into NBA 2K thinking "I'm only playing up until the credits of the story mode". What?
It's a shared world game. That is how they work. You won't like Destiny. You wouldn't like The Division he'll you won't like Anthem either.
GalacticToast
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This is a terrible approach to a game that is clearly more than it's single player campaign. It's like playing Street Fighter for it's story mode and complaining about how unsatisfied you are.
/s
Niceguydan8
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That doesn't mean that Joe shouldn't use that scale though. It's his opinion of the game. He's allowed to use whatever scale he wants, there is no industry-wide standard.
Killer Queen
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World of Warcraft isn't Destiny. Not by a long shot.
If you completed all the content in WoW currently once, you'd probably have a legendary, and that content would last you months.
Destiny isn't comparable in tje slightest
TheChewyWaffles
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I'm going to finish the campaign for D2, which I could never do for D1, but if it wasn't for the pedigree of Bungie I wouldn't even try. It's not all that fun.
He is comparing the MMO elements such as raids, dungeons, gear grinding, etc..
Destiny's Public Events are like doing WoW World Quests
Destiny's Raids are like WoW raids but with less people
Destiny's Strikes are like WoW dungeons but with less people
Destiny's PVP is like WoW battlegrounds but with less people
Destiny's social hubs are like WoW social hubs but with less people
At the end of the day, Destiny shares the same MMO elements that WoW has.. Get to max level, grind gear, pvp, pve, or w/e else you want and become stronger. Gear is always gonna take grinding no matter which game it is. Exotics are rare just like WoW legendaries are rare... except you get them faster in destiny. I got my first legendary in WoW legion within 3 weeks of release day. Not saying destiny is a MMO but it definitely shares elements of MMOs.
No they aren't. If they were, they'd be given a letter grade.
But just look at distributions of scores vs distributions of grades. Maybe 2% of students fail a course. Many, many more games get 6/10 or below.
what, no they aren't lol
Diablohead
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But joe does and that's how he rates his stuff, with a 5 as average.
joecanada
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This school grades thing just keeps on going and going .... In what world does a game " fail" because it hasn't mastered a subject sufficiently to use it in the real world? Did you know many programs fail you under 80% ? And it's totally irrelevant to this topic or ratings in general . The whole reason grades are only used from 5-10 is because if you fail
you fail it doesn't matter if you almost passed. You must master a certain level of the subject . Grades only go from 5_10 basically....Lots of movies get a 1/5 , 3/5, 5/5 . Video games don't " deserve " a score like some fans seem to think . If you listened to every fan only a totally broken POS should get a 5/10 . Lol . And every other game should apparently score 7-10/10 . Meaning why even have 1-6 ... May as well just change it to "good" , "great", exceptional . There's a scoring system for you.
That was exactly my reaction when I finished Destiny 2
Eh, I think that's a bit disingenuous. Not remotely the same situation.
"Mistake"
Activision, Bungie and the millions enjoying the game don't think it's a mistake.
But keep praying for Anthem to save you.
Newsflash, the one in question (the one this thread is about ) uses the full scale. Are we really debating the merit of the number system and joe's style of play over the actual critiques in question?
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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I am pretty sure Activision isn't happy with a 60% sales decline.
yukianderson
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I like his reviews he always makes good points.
But I'm pretty sure they're happy with over 1.3m concurrent users. It's funny how people bring up sales number more than Activision when they hate on a game
I think you misunderstood. Joe played the RAID for 7 hours and got two pieces of equipment as a reward (neither of which turned out to be useful). That'd be like saying "I played 7 hours of non-stop dungeoneering in WoW and got two gear". I have no idea where WoW is these days, but if that's the norm for WoW, I'd also say it's not very good.
The rest of your post, I agree with. I think most of my post was not really directed at you, per se, just the thread in general. I think I also would not enjoy Division or Anthem, and don't plan on purchasing either, certainly not day one. Although I did play Diablo 3, I never played it twice. But during my first playthrough I did enjoy the loot mechanics a bit (this was pre-RoS).
Getting back to the post, because the original premise of Destiny, or the original hype for some=, was of a strong story / campaign that could be played co-op with maybe some loot, it's reasonable for a review of the sequel to come back and say "Hey, did it live up to that original hype for Destiny 1? Still no." After this point, I think everyone will be basically on the same page moving forward -- Destiny is basically only about grinding the same missions over and over again for loot.
If NBA2k17 had said "we're going to have an expansive world with a lot of lore, we're going to have a great story campaign" and then got released with 15 minutes of cutscenes and no campaign, I think it'd be fair for reviews of NBA2k18 to say "Hey did it live up to the promise of story that many were hoping for in 2k17?"
There are a lot of OTHER reviews focusing on the loot or made by people who enjoyed Destiny 1. Joe didn't like Destiny 1 that much, neither did I. I valued seeing whether he thought Destiny 2 changed.
Actually I had this more or less happen to me. I bought Street Fighter IV out of all the hype only to be extremely disappointed. Because a lot of people don't necessarily explain why they like a game or what they are looking for from the game. Just "10/10 will play for years" or "GOTY for sure".
It's mostly my fault for not doing more research, but frankly how many mainstream reviews of Street Fighter 4 are there from people who don't normally like fighting games? This is the niche Joe is filling in this case. He's warning people who don't like endless grind to stay away. Personally I'm glad, because it answers the questions I had about whether Destiny 2 (with all the positive reviews) might be worth jumping in as someone who did not like Destiny 1.
statham
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fo shizzle.
It really is a shock to the system when he flips to clips of his streaming persona. I usually end up nodding my head at a lot of of his review points and then a moment later thinking "wait, who is this dirtbag??"
He does in-depth reviews so there's a lot to discuss. But mostly he's willing to give high profile games low scores if he feels they deserve them which upsets people.
The game has a lot of flaws and is pretty copy-pasty, but also has a lot of great qualities. If you have friends that play it, you're going to have fun. Pretending D2 is a bad game is a little far for me although I get all of the criticisms of it.