ScaryShark
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You think Bungie would say you must participate in the raid to get a feeling of whether or not you enjoy Destiny 2? Really?
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Angry Joe Destiny 2 Review
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The Strokes
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Yeah, I mean, I'm on the same boat as you but still we agree that it's definitely an improvement over D1.
Yeah thats not what you originally said... whyre you so up in arms anyways lol
i don't think that's what he's suggesting. i definitely think a developer that puts as much time and care into making raid instances and encounters wants as many people as possible to play them even for no other reason that some dlcs main selling point is a raid. i don't think you need to complete the raid to be completly aware of how you feel about destiny 2, but i do think you need to at least enter the raid if you're going to present such a strong opinion of it(the raid) like joe did.
You really took that small list seriously huh.. it was kind of a joke post.. I mean you called me a salty fanboy for criticizing his review and not agreeing with the score so... not sure what you want me to reply to you with lol..
ScaryShark
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I said I don't think playing the raid would fundamentally change how someone feels about Destiny 2. Of all the posts in this thread, you think I'm 'up in arms'? lol
I don't disagree with that.
Except thats not what I quoted when I responded to you.
I doubt Bungie would even say you have to do the raid to get a significant and varied Destiny experience.
Raids are by and large are varied and significant experiences in the destiny games, and not many people got to play them.
As to your other assertion that the raids dont change how someone feels about destiny, I disagree. In vanilla destiny 1 one of the biggest reasons people continually played such a flawed game was because of the raid.
ScaryShark
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So the 3-5 hours of the Raid are so fundamental different from everything else you can do in the game to you, that you think one must play it to truly be able to tell if they like Destiny 2 or not? I disagree with that. I think Destiny 2 is varied and significant outside of the raid to get a feeling on how you feel about it. We simply disagree about that. It's fine.
I wouldn't agree that people who found Destiny 1 middling would have their overall opinion changed because of one single raid. The people who kept playing the raid kept playing it because they already liked Destiny pretty well and more than Joe does.
Watching Joe's review, it seems the game is mediocre to him in many aspects and I can't imagine him playing this single raid it having any meaningful impact on his overall feelings on the product. He said he did, some have presented evidence he didn't. If he didn't, he shouldn't have talked authoritatively about it either way but I don't think it would have changed is score if he didn't and I don't think not having played the raid invalidates someone's overall opinion on the product.
People who get deep into Destiny, start to understand why the game has the following it does. I respect some of the things Joe has to say in the video, but find it laughable that some are like, damn glad I watched that Angry Joe video saved me 60 bucks. Joe doesn't have to partake in endgame to create a review, but at the same time don't expect Bungie to treat him like part of the online community when he doesn't. I really respect his reviews and enjoy his content, but for games like Destiny I've got my own opinion.
Leatherface
Member
I don't care about this Angry Joe guy one way or the other but I felt the review did a pretty good job of laying everything out on the table. I bailed out of the first Destiny because it was a shell of the game that was promised. I was hoping the sequel would rectify a lot of the issues I had with the original but that doesn't seem to be the case. I REALLY wanted to like this one and was hoping for a much more robust experience, but at this point I'm questioning a purchase all together. :\
Based on this one review?
TyphoonStruggle
Member
If he thought the review was fair, then why not?
Exploratory
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Because clearly a ton of people have a problem with this review lol.
Because reviews are opinion pieces at the end of the day and if youre relying on reviews to make your purchasing choices I think it makes more sense to make decisions based on multiple sources than one.
CartridgeBlower
Member
EDIT: Nevermind. Read the wrong post.
what? he states he played destiny 1 but says he's questioning whether to purchase destiny 2 at all after watching this review.
Sounds like youre blowing hot air. People LOVE throwing around fanboy just to discredit someone else. Whats fanboyish behind suggesting someone look for multiple review sources before making a purchasing decision? Not to mention he didnt even play 2
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You pull that epic emote from a lootbox yet mate?I'm not salty at all; cant wait for the game to come out on PC actually. I actually don't need someone to form an opinion on a game for me as I can form my own. Theres no harm in pointing out flaws in this review because there are more than a few and this is a discussion thread. All my posts I've made in this thread are a part of the discussion..I didn't just come in the thread and say "LUL angry joe sucks every single aspect of his video was wrong" or personally attack him.. I actually pointed out legitimate flaws in his review AND his live stream of him reviewing the game. I also agree with plenty of points in his video on how destiny can improve as a whole.
My bad for criticizing your favorite youtuber
You mean bnight engram? Yea i got it after leveling up past 20 by playing the game =)
piratepwnsninja
Member
I also got it from a bright engram without spending money. C-razy, right?
Yup and its also crazy that dude won't post again since 90% of his destiny posts are all shit posts
Aressa
You can't die before your death
If this was mainstream media review would you say the same?
Let say Polygon, Kotaku, IGN or Gamespot?
Hint:
absolutely not.
Happy for you really seems to help with deflecting criticism
Vigilant Walrus
Member
The Jim Sterling review is a interesting contrast to this. Jim says he also felt D1 was lacking (like Joe), but Jim seems to have gotten hooked on the "Destiny train" with D2; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HQ96qAA_y0
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Loving the game so much more than the first.
What criticism? You should try posting some valuable insight instead of assumptions. Should stick to your Warframe OT thread where you'll have at least some positive impact on the nice people there
Literally any criticism of D2, apparently
Oh good was just waiting for the old post history trick... Surprised you went through all that trouble just to look for it... dedication homie.
JohnMatrix
Banned
I agree with pretty much all of Joe's points
and I'm a Destiny fan since launch and am loving D2
Destiny has always been the sort of game some people will just not click with, that's completely fine and most of the reasons people have for not liking it are totally fair
and I'm a Destiny fan since launch and am loving D2
Destiny has always been the sort of game some people will just not click with, that's completely fine and most of the reasons people have for not liking it are totally fair
BreezyLimbo
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Joes right that the PC version is the best version
Glad I'm waiting, thanks joe.
Glad I'm waiting, thanks joe.
I take criticism of D2 pretty well; but you're posting in an Angry Joe review thread, which.. some aspects I disagree with. My bad I'm not a sheep when it comes to games like Destiny (end game oriented) and actually form an opinion of my own.
Old history trick? Literally remember you from the Japan sales thread of you also shit posting about loot boxes. Whats dedication is how much you shit post about Destiny instead of playing the game you actually enjoy.
Now we just need Boogie to put up a review saying hes somewhere in the middle
But seriously, the fact that this thread is 20+ pages long is its own form of entertainment. Joe seems like a nice dude and I'm grateful for his opinion - he makes some good points! - but I wouldn't be surprised if giving Destiny 2 another low score means more controversy for him and thus more views.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
They do structure the endgame around the raids, so I assume they'd want to aim more people to them.
theosi
Member
I don't mind Angry Joe, and agree with him about the grimoire stuff and I hate that Bungie didn't include it.
Legitimately curious though, is anyone who has played the game a decent amount still bothered by the shader system and the bright engram microtransactions?
As someone who has put a ton of time into Destiny 2 and doesn't care for it much I feel like the game is throwing shaders at me all over the place and I've received a ton of these microtransaction bright engrams by levelling, they just tend to be useless skins and emotes that you can earn by yourself easily. The mods you get are useless.
The expansion pass stuff, how out of touch is this guy? Feels like a complaint from 2011, you can put hundreds of hours into Destiny 2 for 60 bucks, if you don't like what you got, don't sign up for more, yeah? We all pay the same price for single player games that last 10 hours or less.
Legitimately curious though, is anyone who has played the game a decent amount still bothered by the shader system and the bright engram microtransactions?
As someone who has put a ton of time into Destiny 2 and doesn't care for it much I feel like the game is throwing shaders at me all over the place and I've received a ton of these microtransaction bright engrams by levelling, they just tend to be useless skins and emotes that you can earn by yourself easily. The mods you get are useless.
The expansion pass stuff, how out of touch is this guy? Feels like a complaint from 2011, you can put hundreds of hours into Destiny 2 for 60 bucks, if you don't like what you got, don't sign up for more, yeah? We all pay the same price for single player games that last 10 hours or less.
JohnMatrix
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Single use shaders are annoying because of how disposable your equipment is. Makes looking cool somewhat hard to manage
Gunslinger
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Thi$ thread i$ a great promotion for joe lmaooooo. $ix figure alone off thi$ thread promotion. Good for joe he knows how to milk the YouTube ca$h. I am happy for him. I hope he makes another 10k just off the video alone.
No but seriously I agree with him. 6/10 is fair for destiny 2 imo.
No but seriously I agree with him. 6/10 is fair for destiny 2 imo.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Which steams from laughable fanboyism.
With that logic..
Disagreeing with the review = Destiny fanboy
Agreeing with the review = Angry Joe fanboy
Help me out and correct me if I'm doing this wrong because that's what I got from your post
theosi
Member
To be clear, I'm not a fan of the single use system and I understand the issue people have with the shader system and I wish it was like D1 too.
I guess what I'm getting at is that the game throws so many shaders at you via the gunsmith, bright engrams, and planet chests that after the first fews weeks of release it'll be a non issue.
Anyone who plays regularly will have more than a surplus of most shaders, but I understand the issue with single use. I just think that it's a week 1-2 thing.
Absolutely. 3 characters with 2 of them over 290 right now. New shader system is dogshit and motivated entirely by Activision/Bungie getting $ signs in their eyes thinking about whales. I've got a million copies of Neon Diarrhea but 3 copes of all the shaders that actually look good.
Game isn't free to play so they get zero sympathy from me for making game mechanics shittier purely to encourage spending.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Some people are more than disagreeing with the review, some are trying directly invalidate it, disminishing his opinion on the game.
Instead of tackling his arguments, ppl tries to say he is not skilled enough or shit like that...
There's nothing wrong with the review, is just his opinion..
ScaryShark
Banned
I guess we're not really talking about the same thing because my point was that I don't think the Raid is fundamental to enjoying what Destiny 2 offers or to form an opinion about it and I'm fairly confident in saying Bungie wouldn't say that either. If they did, I think it would be a fundamental flaw of the game and more people would be dissatisfied with their experience if that is the case.
I think Bungie views and advertises Destiny 2 as having a little bit of something for everyone and a variety of modes that someone can probably find some aspect or several aspects they like even if they don't enjoy or partake in everything.
Everyone including my own characters look like shit because no one wants to use single use shaders on gear that they will possible change out in a couple day for a color they might not get again. Yeah its annoying that I can't have a cool looking character.
^ this. Majority of people in here defending the game are doing so not by attacking the criticism and by attacking joe and his playstyle (and his review scale lol).
Razgriz-Specter
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It absolutely kills any interest I have in loot or aesthetics, so yes.
(well combined with the fact that hideous starter armor comes back higher powered than decent looking exotics and legendary gear.)
Let's be real here for a second, your opinion was formed the moment you clicked that preorder button
Believe me it doesn't take much time. Generally my posts stem from the belief that we as videogame enthusiasts can be better - better at accepting diverging opinions and subjectivity in critique, better at rejecting billion dollar corporations trying to inject gambling and many other anti-entitlement practices into the good work of all the developers crunching their asses off, and better at appreciating the publishers that don't.
Night Angel
Member
I agree that you don't need to play the raid to have an opinion on Destiny 2.
But you certainly need to have played the raid to have an opinion on the raid. Which Joe seems not to have done.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I dunno. I found D1 super lacking and I never bothered with a raid due to the nonexistent matchmaking.
If the game's built towards that end, then it's going to end up thin in areas that only exist to prop up that particular endgame.
ScaryShark
Banned
As I've said multiple times I completely agree with that. My point moved beyond that in that I don't think it invalidates the entirety of his feelings on the game. Especially in a review this long and thorough.
If the raid was the only way you can progress or level up I'd be more prone to agree with you but it isn't. The raid isn't the end, it's an option.
OriginalPoe
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Destiny's raids are more or less the epitome of their PvE design goals. It's the same as MMO's.
The idea that you need to play the raid to have an opinion on Destiny, 1 or 2, was always just a way for fans to deflect criticism and consistently move the goalposts so criticisms aren't valid. It is and was always a complete farce.
That said, I'm also not sure you need to have played it personally. Obviously, that is the most direct and, probably, ideal way to do it, but if he sat through it with all his friends watching it and interacting with them throughout, I'd say he could probably sum it up pretty well.
The mind-blowing complexity of Destiny raids has always been comically overblown. Everyone stand on a specific thing and kill waves until X occurs, transport some mcguffin, hope bugs don't fuck you over. The biggest challenge is always coordination and the initial figuring out what random thing Bungie chose from the Dart Board o Raid Mechanics in each new area.