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[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

two developers have been rotting in a greek prison for 4 months now, yes its a controversy, its a tragedy!

and the photos they took were not even detailed "spyshots" but general landscape photos with military bases in the background.

They're not going to let a group of people they believe to be spies go free.

Did you even watch the video to see why it was so stupid?

Yes?



Regardless of how innocuous it may be, it still ignores an important rule:

Foreign nationals should not enter and take pictures in, of, or around the military complexes of destabilized countries that are under martial law and experiencing internal agitation from Fascist, Communist, and Anarchist movements.




Again, sucks for them and I hope everything works out for the best, but whoever signed off on this trip for them is a moron of immense proportions.

 

[depths20XX]

Then I realize that most of the industry is about selling out and how tv, advertisements, endorsements and shit works. So I don't get so angry cause I suppose I am not passionate about games anymore or maybe never was. So I wouldn't ever really confront anyone ,especially someone like that Geoff guy cause frankly it'd be like trying to write on a brick wall with a pencil.

Yeah most people realize gaming isn't some "cause" you need to go out there and fight for. Of course the industry is going to make money the way they see fit. Get over it and enjoy whatever is out there for you. The whole "fighting for the gamers" shit that Joe tries to pull is just lame.

 

[Rubius]

I like him. He feel genuine and happy about what he does. Feel way more true than the Angry video game nerd who is just an act.

 

[Gannd]

Angry Joe is annoying. I don't understand how someone who seems to have so little knowledge about games, gaming and all of that can be so annoying about everything. The whole bayonetta thing is just stupid to include on a list that is already stupid to begin with.

 

[Alucard]

Love the start of his Mass Effect 3 review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFq531vkNOY

 

[Jackpot]

two developers have been rotting in a greek prison for 4 months now, yes its a controversy, its a tragedy!

and the photos they took were not even detailed "spyshots" but general landscape photos with military bases in the background.

So you've seen them then?

That was only one side of the story. Greek authorities claimed there were many detailed photos of military base layouts, vehicles, etc.

BIS's muddying the waters over whether it was pure vacation or extra research for the game hasn't helped either.

 

[Alucard]

Angry Joe is annoying. I don't understand how someone who seems to have so little knowledge about games, gaming and all of that can be so annoying about everything. The whole bayonetta thing is just stupid to include on a list that is already stupid to begin with.

Sorry, but I really think you're wrong on this. He genuinely seems to love gaming and views "enjoyment" as the most important thing. He's a breath of fresh air in a world of gaming journalists who all follow the same formula.

 

[Majukun]

also, making a TOP10 list and putting the state of gaming journalism on the top is kinda dumb.

you are watching the list by the wrong side

anyway,didn0t know joe was so hated here..i kinda like his stuff,his reviews are well explained...we surely don't have the same tastes,but it's what makes a review interesting.

 

[BatDan]

One of the weirdest criticisms I've heard for Joe is that "he's not a gamer, he's the jock that beat up gamers in school." ... Wha?

 

[Card Boy]

Love the start of his Mass Effect 3 review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFq531vkNOY

This is amazing. More reviews need Family Guy-esque sketches in them.

 

[G-Fex]

One of the weirdest criticisms I've heard for Joe is that "he's not a gamer, he's the jock that beat up gamers in school." ... Wha?

I don't think Joe could beat anyone up.

Well that's not true, out of all the TGWTG crew, I'd put my money on Joe honestly.

 

[Nokterian]

I like Joe's reviews. There fun to watch but also he is honest and has the balls to talk about instead of other reviewers. He enjoys playing the games he likes and off course shows what he doesn't like.

 

[Pro from Dover]

I'd assume that it's because it's easier for him to capture 360 games more than anything?

I've been watching his reviews lately and they're actually pretty good for the most part. He covers specific reasons why the game is pretty good and pretty bad while interjecting his opinion in there. He puts some effort into it and is fairly honest about how he feels about each game. It also actually seems like he plays them as opposed to most other reviewers. Only downside is he's loud as hell.

His point about gaming journalism is pretty spot-on, I felt. I haven't really liked the industry in that area for a long time but this year has been pretty stupid for the most part.

I agree. He does a good job reviewing and backs his reasoning up. I can feel that he truly loves what he does.

 

[erpg]

I enjoyed Angry Joe's Planetside and GW2 reviews for instance. You can tell he's incredibly excited by the games, but still has his head on straight enough to criticize them at length.

 

[sTeLioSco]

i started watching angryjoe after this:

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

 

[Polishin8r]

Man Angry Joe is awful.

go watch IGN and gamestop videos

 

[MrCunningham]

He is a member amongst us in this thread, deduce him...

Spoiler

=P, just kidding XD I have no idea if he's on GAF

Judging By this part of the video:

I would imagine that he is a NeoGaf lurker, or at least a member. That Avatar looks rather familiar

 

[Kuro Madoushi]

I like him. He feel genuine and happy about what he does. Feel way more true than the Angry video game nerd who is just an act.

I feel the same. Steel Battalion demo was comedy gold. STOP GRABBING SHIT.

His reviees are extremely fanboyish. He hates something? He hates it a lot. He loves something? He wants to marry it.

 

[Rubius]

I feel the same. Steel Battalion demo was comedy gold. STOP GRABBING SHIT.

His reviees are extremely fanboyish. He hates something? He hates it a lot. He loves something? He wants to marry it.

Yes, but he still bash what he like, and like what he bash. His 6/10 are good games that have problems. He always say "A solid 6/10, and I recommend it..." His scale is actually worth something. A 6/10 is a good game with many problem, not a bad game.

He bashed Mass Effect 3 and still suggested everybody to play it, because its a really good game with a really bad ending.
I never seen him, not say something for the both side in a game. Even in Steel Batallion, he said that the game could be awesome, if you could play it. It look awesome, sound awesome. Its just that you play as Micheal J Fox with Speed and ADD.

 

[Messofanego]

Angry Joe should die in a fucking fire. I hate that dude. Just a vitriolic, shit machine. So disrespectful to people who gladly oblige to his interviews.

Yeesh.

Angry Joe is cool, he's great in short doses. Specifically Kinect games like Steel Battalion (one of the funniest gaming videos). Production values are far better than other video reviews of games. The Doritos gate green screen is impeccable. And makes proper long reviews going into a lot of detail. This was a good list. I didn't know the ArmA guys were still in jail.

On the Keighley thing, he admits he was unprepared but Keighley did ask him first to come down and ask questions. Joe wasn't sure of how all this stuff works, had different expectations, so shit hit the fan and none of them came off as good although other journalists laughing at his questions was pretty pathetic. Reality hits you hard, bro.

 

[PFD]

His reviees are extremely fanboyish. He hates something? He hates it a lot. He loves something? He wants to marry it.

Not necessarily. He absolutely loved Witcher 2, but still slammed it hard while discussing its flaws.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=htP7S7jsXyA

 

[Card Boy]

l.

On the Keighley thing, he admits he was unprepared but Keighley did ask him first to come down and ask questions. Joe wasn't sure of how all this stuff works, had different expectations, so shit hit the fan and none of them came off as good although other journalists laughing at his questions was pretty pathetic. Reality hits you hard, bro.

Exactly. The Geoff Keighley thing was 2 years ago for petes sake, some Gaffers just need to let it go. He has come along way since then and as you said he admits his mistakes.

Also Angry Joe gaming reviews are some of the best out there, he puts sites like IGN/Gametrailers/Gamespot to shame.

Not necessarily. He absolutely loved Witcher 2, but still slammed it hard while discussing its flaws.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=htP7S7jsXyA

Another example is his Planetside 2 review where he loves the game but slams the buisness model and some of the gameplay decisions.

 

[Sojgat]

i started watching angryjoe after this:

10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

This was pretty good. It's very concise, and it makes me furious about the ME3 ending all over again just watching it. Guy seems alright(ish).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Man Angry Joe is awful.

this

 

[diamount]

Joe is an alright guy. He puts a lot of effort in his reviews and goes into a lot of detail, I do not understand the vitriol in this thread. He even admits in that video he was ill prepared and was a bit naive on how the whole process worked.

Seriously guys, ease off on the nasty comments. I'm sure you can critique someone without insulting.

 

[paul187]

Here is his interview with seth if you guys wanted to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abM7kHtDsug

This wasn't that bad.

 

[legacyzero]

I dont really like him, but it's a decent list. Now way is Dorritos-gate 3rd behind the ME3 ending, though. That shit was just unreal.

 

[Alucard]

Was ME3's ending really that terrible? I haven't played any of the games. I know about the different colours and the developers promising an ending unlike any other in gaming, but what was the really bad stuff? Feel free to spoil me.

 

[Rubius]

I dont really like him, but it's a decent list. Now way is Dorritos-gate 3rd behind the ME3 ending, though. That shit was just unreal.

You must not forget that a big part of the contreversy is that gamers from everywhere went against it and they actually changed the ending. Gamers changed a game because they didnt like it. That is something pretty big.

 

[LegoArmo]

I like Joe. GAF is getting awfully angry at a bloke who makes videos on YouTube. It's all a bit ironic.

His reviews are amongst the most informative you'll find.

It's a good list, you can argue over what counts as a "controversy" all day, I think it just means something that got a hell of a lot of people talking, in this sense.

 

[sTeLioSco]

Was ME3's ending really that terrible? I haven't played any of the games. I know about the different colours and the developers promising an ending unlike any other in gaming, but what was the really bad stuff? Feel free to spoil me.

did you see such a bigger backlash for a games ending before??

(you can read,see videos)

 

[TheChits]

Angry Joe should die in a fucking fire. I hate that dude. Just a vitriolic, shit machine. So disrespectful to people who gladly oblige to his interviews.

You are wishing death on someone because you don't like how they interview people?

 

[dr3upmushroom]

I'm not saying the guy sucks, but Kinect Steel Battalion is such a mess that anyone can get a laugh or two by making a video and pointing out its obvious failures.

I've only seen one of his reviews, for FarCry 3, and while I wouldn't say it was bad I guess, he definitely didn't seem very articulate. A lot "It's just awesome!" and "How cool is this!?" kind of stuff.

Hilarious people are saying he's honest and asks hard questions, he was obviously totally unprepared for that interview with Geoff and didn't ask anything that hasn't been discussed a hundred times already in the Seth Killian review. Plus, regardless of the quality of his videos his huge ego is a major turn-off. The juggernauts comment, him being indignant that he didn't get a sit-down interview with Keighley, and the repeated "I'm the voice of the people!" and "Look how they treated US!" comments make him seem like a whiny kid. Guy should be grateful for the fans he has and the access he gets, personally if I ran a YouTube channel I'd be thrilled to get face-time with people like that, Joe needs to quit acting like he's the champion of gamers of everywhere and that he deserves a ton of respect and make the best of what he has. Whining about his treatment is pretty ridiculous to since he's burning bridges with these after-the-fact public, self-affirming reflections.

I think it's hard to fault Keighley at all in that interview, who knows how many hours the guy spent organizing that event, the last thing you want to do doing it is have some schmohawk complaining about the lack of an MMO category but not having any examples of good ones (I love how in the video he repeatedly say "You're running the event, why should I have to list games?!"), criticizing award names that have already been changed, idiotically acting like information available on the events website is some huge scoop, etc.

I usually wouldn't think a guy like him is even worth discussing, but if popular YouTubers with this level of professionalism are getting access to important industry figures I think it's a little worrying. The lack of interesting writing a out games is a two-way street, a lot of people blame the lack of quality thinkers and writers in the press and their dubious morality, but on the other hand if this is what the average interview with a popular commentator goes it's to blame developers and publishers for not divulging much to them.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Was ME3's ending really that terrible? I haven't played any of the games. I know about the different colours and the developers promising an ending unlike any other in gaming, but what was the really bad stuff? Feel free to spoil me.

The bitching here on GAF got so bad that the Spoiler thread reached capacity, and a second one had to be made, which was a GAF first, IIRC.

 

[diamount]

I'm not saying the guy sucks, but Kinect Steel Battalion is such a mess that anyone can get a laugh or two by making a video and pointing out its obvious failures.

I've only seen one of his reviews, for FarCry 3, and while I wouldn't say it was bad I guess, he definitely didn't seem very articulate. A lot "It's just awesome!" and "How cool is this!?" kind of stuff.

Hilarious people are saying he's honest and asks hard questions, he was obviously totally unprepared for that interview with Geoff and didn't ask anything that hasn't been discussed a hundred times already in the Seth Killian review. Plus, regardless of the quality of his videos his huge ego is a major turn-off. The juggernauts comment, him being indignant that he didn't get a sit-down interview with Keighley, and the repeated "I'm the voice of the people!" and "Look how they treated US!" comments make him seem like a whiny kid. Guy should be grateful for the fans he has and the access he gets, personally if I ran a YouTube channel I'd be thrilled to get face-time with people like that, Joe needs to quit acting like he's the champion of gamers of everywhere and that he deserves a ton of respect and make the best of what he has. Whining about his treatment is pretty ridiculous to since he's burning bridges with these after-the-fact public, self-affirming reflections.

I think it's hard to fault Keighley at all in that interview, who knows how many hours the guy spent organizing that event, the last thing you want to do doing it is have some schmohawk complaining about the lack of an MMO category but not having any examples of good ones (I love how in the video he repeatedly say "You're running the event, why should I have to list games?!"), criticizing award names that have already been changed, idiotically acting like information available on the events website is some huge scoop, etc.

I usually wouldn't think a guy like him is even worth discussing, but if popular YouTubers with this level of professionalism are getting access to important industry figures I think it's a little worrying. The lack of interesting writing a out games is a two-way street, a lot of people blame the lack of quality thinkers and writers in the press and their dubious morality, but on the other hand if this is what the average interview with a popular commentator goes it's to blame developers and publishers for not divulging much to them.

There is no standard for 'professionalism' anyone who has a youtube dedicated to gaming has their own niche way of doing things. Also again.. you are bringing shit up that was only covered on briefley, he's already apologized for his behaviour. But your rampant brown-nosing is borderline satirical. If Keighley can be considered a 'professional' then your definition of the word is a bit skewed.

 

[Foxix Von]

This. Joe's alright in my book, he made some hilariously good videos, some "eh" ones, and some misses. Most of them are really watchable and funny.

Sometimes I just think GAF has a general hate for everything internet personality, without ever actually watching them and/or knowing who it is at all. Don't like that :/

Yeah this thread is really fucking weird. I really enjoy his reviews and they're generally pretty well done, like someone else mentioned if nothing else they're pretty detailed. It's like there's a crowd of people on here who have no idea who he is, and never watched any of his videos and just despise him for who they think he is.

Really, really weird. I'm guessing it's just the angry in his name?

 

[Alucard]

Yeah this thread is really fucking weird. I really enjoy his reviews and they're generally pretty well done, like someone else mentioned if nothing else they're pretty detailed. It's like there's a crowd of people on here who have no idea who he is, and never watched any of his videos and just despise him for who they think he is.

Really, really weird. I'm guessing it's just the angry in his name?

Welcome to the Internet. Forming an opinion based on detailed research is hard to come by.

 

[Upsidedown Fuji]

I enjoy Joe's reviews and agree at times they run a bit long but he gets huge kudos for actually taking the time to play the games and give a genuine opinion on what makes a game good/bad and why. Not sure why some here are going as far as wishing he'd die in a fire. That's sick.

 

[remnant]

Still mad at Keighley I assume.

Why shouldn't he be. Geoff acted like a total dick over a show that was fucking horrible.

 

[remnant]

Watch some of Joe's reviews. He's well-spoken and intelligent. I don't get the hate in this thread.

He is a youtube reviewer who criticizes more traditional videogame outlets. This is a no-no for some reason

Strike 1

He like all types of games, including shooters and "Bro" type games like Army of Two. The type of gamer GAF constantly criticizes

Strike 2

He has a personality that isn't similar to popular gaf favorites like giant bomb.

Strike 3

He's out

 

[Card Boy]

He has a personality that isn't similar to popular gaf favorites like giant bomb.

Strike 3

He's out

Pretty much. Anything that isn't Giant Bomb gets shat on around here and if you shit on Giant Bomb then run for the hills.

Joe is the one of the better gaming personalities out there, it's a shame him and TB don't get the respect they deserve because of the pack mentallity on these forums.

 

[Foxix Von]

Welcome to the Internet. Forming an opinion based on detailed research is hard to come by.

haha yup. Normally it seems like most people here are at least better at faking their knowledge though lol. I guess sometimes the collective facade breaks down in a highly aggressive and ignorant fireball.

It'd almost be beautiful if it weren't so vitriolic.

 

[antitrop]

I've never heard of this guy before, but I watched the Steel Battalion video based on the recommendations of people in this thread.

He tries too hard and I don't like him. He's the Ray William Johnson of video games, except he makes his own content. I mean, I don't dislike him... I'm just pretty neutral about it and see no reason to subscribe.

 

[dr3upmushroom]

There is no standard for 'professionalism' anyone who has a youtube dedicated to gaming has their own niche way of doing things. Also again.. you are bringing shit up that was only covered on briefley, he's already apologized for his behaviour. But your rampant brown-nosing is borderline satirical. If Keighley can be considered a 'professional' then your definition of the word is a bit skewed.

Where did I call Keighley a professional?

I don't think Keighely is perfect, I just think it's understandable that a guy who has done a ton of work organizing an event doesn't want to spend time talking to some unprepared dude during the actual event. You can't give every single person online who wants a 15-minute sit-down interview what they want.

I don't know what you mean by a standard for professionalism, but when I say that I just mean acting mature and in a way that reflects your priorities to offer a service that people want. Acting as though Keighley was obliged to talk to him and then spending time he could have spent interviewing devs (the people who, you know, actually make games) fuming over the failed interview aren't mature or conducive to creating content people want to see, aside from people who are entertained by second-hand awkwardness.

Again, I don't hate the guy like some people seemingly. As a single set of interactions between the press and industry I think it's more funny than anything, it's just that I haven't seen many videos like this before and to me it helps explain the sorry state of games writing that industry figures put up with stuff like this.

The more I think about it though the more I realize it's been like this forever. How many years ago was that excruciating E3 where some kid from a Nintendo fan site, wearing a rising sun headband IIRC, got a chance to ask Miyamoto a question and spent a good minute or two babbling out a sentence in broken Japanese that basically amounted to "Do you like working at Nintendo?"

It's cool when devs and other industry figures interact with their fanbases, but I feel bad for anyone who has to regularly deal with guys like this, and personally if I was in a position where the games press wanted to interview me I think I'd just stick with stuff like AMAs to talk to the community and keep in-person interviews to people who have proven to make something interesting instead of being granted a interview and then taking offense at the outcome and making the whole thing about themselves.

 

[Shouta]

I don't think Keighely is perfect, I just think it's understandable that a guy who has done a ton of work organizing an event doesn't want to spend time talking to some unprepared dude during the actual event. You can't give every single person online who wants a 15-minute sit-down interview what they want.

Except, apparently, it was Keighley that invited him to the event to talk. If he didn't want to talk to him then make up an excuse and say that you're busy and can't talk to him right now. To act like Keighley did when he was the one that asked Joe to come is straight up rude. He was the one that invited Joe, thus he's obliged to talk to him.

I think you're wrong in your assessment. I think this is more indicative of how bad the industry is when it comes to the type of relationships the developers and "journalists" are in. All of the incidents we've had over the years involving gaming journalism points this out. That example Joe used in the controversy video is a recent example.

Amateur fans that go for interviews are a very small part of it all. Even if we were to consider that point more heavily, it still doesn't outweigh the fact that they are in the lesser position by not being a professional and seeking information from someone that's meant to be doing that sort of work. To treat a person that is honestly wanting to talk with you like that is ridiculous, regardless of whether or not they're being cringe-worthy.

 

[remnant]

Where did I call Keighley a professional?

I don't think Keighely is perfect, I just think it's understandable that a guy who has done a ton of work organizing an event doesn't want to spend time talking to some unprepared dude during the actual event. You can't give every single person online who wants a 15-minute sit-down interview what they want.

I don't know what you mean by a standard for professionalism, but when I say that I just mean acting mature and in a way that reflects your priorities to offer a service that people want. Acting as though Keighley was obliged to talk to him and then spending time he could have spent interviewing devs (the people who, you know, actually make games) fuming over the failed interview aren't mature or conducive to creating content people want to see, aside from people who are entertained by second-hand awkwardness.

Again, I don't hate the guy like some people seemingly. As a single set of interactions between the press and industry I think it's more funny than anything, it's just that I haven't seen many videos like this before and to me it helps explain the sorry state of games writing that industry figures put up with stuff like this.

The more I think about it though the more I realize it's been like this forever. How many years ago was that excruciating E3 where some kid from a Nintendo fan site, wearing a rising sun headband IIRC, got a chance to ask Miyamoto a question and spent a good minute or two babbling out a sentence in broken Japanese that basically amounted to "Do you like working at Nintendo?"

It's cool when devs and other industry figures interact with their fanbases, but I feel bad for anyone who has to regularly deal with guys like this, and personally if I was in a position where the games press wanted to interview me I think I'd just stick with stuff like AMAs to talk to the community and keep in-person interviews to people who have proven to make something interesting instead of being granted a interview and then taking offense at the outcome and making the whole thing about themselves.

I'm sorry what did Joe say that was dramatically worse than any of the complaints made on places like GAF? People criticized the VGA's, especially that show because they are really really bad.

Even then, why would it even matter? That interview happened years ago, and Joe put journalism on the list, not for that but for the florence incident. Even though i disagree with a lot of the opinion about that situation, it was clearly a controversial moment that reflected poorly on gaming journalism.

It's amazing to me that many of the same people that complained about gaming journalism this year, are so quick to applaud someone who deftly brushed away criticism at an event the VGA's. An event that blurs the line between industry and consumer journalism once again.

 

[Infernal Monkey]

His rant about Bayonetta 2 existing is fucking embarrassing.

 

[GhostWriter24]

Please stop calling video game news "journalism". Please.

 

[QisTopTier]

His rant about Bayonetta 2 existing is fucking embarrassing.

Did you miss out on the part where he admitted that if nintendo didn't pay for it the game wouldn't exist at all?

It's an understandable rant. I'm pretty sure Kingdom heart fans kinda feel the same way.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Kinda both. It's definitely terrible, but it's sometimes embarrassing enough to be entertaining. I wouldn't seek out his vids but I tend to cringe through if he's linked to.

He's def. not terrible. Or embarrassing enough to be entertaining. He seems like a normal guy making reviews.

He doesn't really have an "Angry" review style like his name implies, though I think he used to.

I like his reviews. I generally don't agree with his point scores(usually disagree by a 1 point margin) but he seems pretty fair and concise when he reviews things and I like the fact that he'll rate a game with a 6 or 7 and still say it's a fun or bad ass game but it does have problems. I am a fan.